Men’s issue’s meeting for August
This meeting is being postponed. I don’t know how to say this but I am finding that women in high positions and men are aware of the problems men are having. And I am also finding that they agree that men have to be part of the solution. And that they are aware men have feelings, etc and that men are different today from men that used to treat women as second to them.
Many women today (that have worked hard for high positions and earn’t their position through heaps and heaps of study, whether full-time or part-time while working full-time) do care.
We are no longer in the femisnist movement although with only females giving much of the media information it does sway towards women being ‘victims’ to men.
This meeting has imput of big players (those who have credibility) and from their imput it has to be postponed to gain alot more to offer such as speakers that organisations will send their employees to learn something they may not know or to gather information they don’t have for use. All information collected has to be PC so that other major groups can use it for the better of males.
It is such a shame that this has to be postponed for around 6 months but that does not mean that many people on this site and those in the Mens Coalition who want to get together can’t.
There is too much energy and professional abilities to waste. And there is alot to be done that can keep the men’s issues alive in the media today and tomorrow. I personally would like for all to get together for ‘thinking and solutions.’
It would be easier at this stage to use the time (August) to get all people that are wanting to help and have little direction to get together. For this meeting you will all receive an invitation.
Julie,
Open your eyes
Jim
Comment by Jim Bailey — Tue 18th July 2006 @ 4:30 pm
Hi Jim,
I don’t know what to say to you except that I don’t see things the same way you do. My perception is differenet than yours. You have spent many years to come to the conclusion you have.
Give me as many years to research and I will still conclude differently to you.
Hopefully, we can still both make a difference that is positive. As we both agree that father’s are important in children’s lives.
Comment by julie — Tue 18th July 2006 @ 6:37 pm
This ‘meeting has got to be PC (says who?) and it’s been postponed 6 months to involve ‘major players’.
Women and men in high places are aware of men’s issues and that men have feelings.
Gosh I wonder when they’ll come down from on high, roll thier sleeves up and get stuck in?
Or are they all too busy protecting turf more like it?
Forgive the cynicism Julie.
I’ve been here before.
Comment by Stephen — Wed 19th July 2006 @ 4:30 am
Stephen,
I am sure you have.
Everything I seem to do from the moment I arrived here has been educational. I understand more and more why men are protesting around the world. I understand why the Maori’s are protesting. And I understand why to get people together for ‘youth’ they brought speakers in from overseas.
Even some or maby many of the men are so highly educated from their work and study, you need to have an ‘Ace card’ to bring them together. You worked in West so you know, is it ‘Wayne Putney.’
Well I hear he is oveseas and I hear he works with many groups outside men’s issues already but they would come together for him. Stuart Birks would be another good choice but most groups have his work.
It would be great to get someone like ‘Warren Farrell, Ph.D.’ to bring people together to listen. But who is going to pay for that?
From what I have learn’t John Potter’s wife ‘Felicity’ was the ace card to get things rolling years ago.
It is not as if there are not great ideas from all the different people involved but how to get the people that can make a difference together is the challenge.
Any voting, census etc has to be done right that is why I used the word PC.
I understand why people have told me to build my own credibility and come back in 5 years.
What can I say, Stephen, I did come down in the last shower? But I am open for suggestions.
Comment by julie — Wed 19th July 2006 @ 7:50 am
Stephen,
I also think that the men’s movement has the big players in that they are earning large hourly rates, have the credibility and are the one’s giving the information to CYFS, Parent’s Commission and Family’s Commission, etc. They are already where they are most useful. But they also work within a system. And it is their jobs.
I know that everyone here has access to the ‘Father’s day meetings’ and the ‘other meetings’ being held around NZ. That is what the ‘Fathers of NZ’ does.
I can see that their is a network already and that the men’s movement can really take off but I also know there are major obstacles. (which you can get around and the men are slowly doing that)
So, I guess instead of encouraging people to brain storm their ideas in another setting they should just brain storm it with a group that already exists.
Comment by julie — Wed 19th July 2006 @ 9:27 am
Here’s just one quote.
Comment by julie — Wed 19th July 2006 @ 3:08 pm
Jim,
I hope you get to read this.
I wrote in comment 2;
Now, I could be wrong on this. I might just end up with the same conclusion as you have.
I also want to add that the protesting you do seems to be the most effective way, from my understanding so far.
Comment by julie — Wed 19th July 2006 @ 8:53 pm
Julie,
I think the impetus for change in attitudes and legislation is likely to come from grass-roots movements which start at street level rather than from above. Those in high office have considerable resources to protect whereas those squelched at the bottom have little to loose, at least financially. This point seems to have been borne out recently with initiatives from the men’s rights groups around the world who have taken to active street demonstrations – most famously Batman on The Houses of Parliament in UK. These guys aren’t high flying judges, politicians, CEOs etc. I’m not saying it wouldn’t help men’s rights to have such types on board – It was great to have Sir Bob Geldhoff and Prince Charles chime in for father’s rights recently. But I think the main impetus is likely to grow upwards rather than trickle down. That’s one reason I’m so proud to support the street protestors in nz.
Go Jim Bailey!
Go Wayne Pruden!
You guys are heros!
Comment by Stephen — Thu 20th July 2006 @ 3:25 pm
I have to agree with you Stephen.
Comment by julie — Thu 20th July 2006 @ 9:47 pm
Sorry,
I should also acknowledge the grassroots work of Barbara Faithful, John’s wife Felicity Goodyear-Smith and other good women who often voluntarily advocate on behalf of nz menfolk at a more grassroots level.
Go Sisters!
Comment by Stephen — Fri 21st July 2006 @ 2:02 am