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No Time Like The Present

Filed under: General — dpex @ 4:47 pm Tue 11th April 2006

There is no time like the present to get started on the campaign.

As you will observe from the below, I have forwarded Julie’s utterly tragic case to the new Ombudsman. Maybe we will get no response. Maybe we will get more than could ever hope for. But we will never know till we try.

Fuirther, we need to start getting copies of Julie’s story to every recipient we can think of, media, the list mentioned in an earlier post.

So if your’re keen, people, get weaving asnd get posting.

Incidentally, it is the clear, concise, unemotional nature of Julie’s story which gives it its raw power. It is this way in which we will get best results. Not by ranting and raving.

The Ombudsman
Mr Anand Satyanand.

Dear Sir,

Although the following subject may not come under your purview or authority, but I am writing to you on behalf of thousands of families in New Zealand which have been, are being, and will be utterly destroyed by the current regime of CYFS; and example of which is noted below.

Sir, we desperately need a champion, some outstanding person who has the ability to gain the proper attention of those in authority who presume they can ignore the ordinary folk.

During a television interview detailing your investiture as Ombudsman, your wife made a remark about the massive value of children (I’m afraid I cannot recall the exact phrase). The energy of her comment gave me some hope that indeed she may graciously agree to become our champion.

Sir, we must find a way to turn the tide of official brutality which so many CYFS staff are meting out to both children and parents alike…the following is just one such story, posted to on April 11th,2006. The author is Julie.

I am glad for the realness that this site is bringing in. I have wondered why it has attracted me, since I am a female. I don´t care for the anti-feminist movement but I do care for others that walk like I have. And I am a feminist in the fact I want female to be equal to male. Equal not more than.

Anyhow, my CYFS journey started 11 years ago when my 2 sons were only 3 and 5. At the time my marriage was on the rocks. I had gone to a women´s refuge out of town. You see, my husband and I are addicts but in recovery. I had allowed my children to stay with strangers but fantastic strangers (Maori and White New Zealander) for 8 weeks so I could get myself together. At the end of it I took my children home with me to my husband. We had to attend a CYFS family conference out of town because the Women´s refuge boss was on the board of CYFS. It was meant to be an easy meeting but I was at the time on the Methadone Program and this CYFS was not very understanding of it. They went to court behind my back and told the judge they didn´t know where I was. But they sure did. The only reason they got away with that is because while stressed out about the meeting, I had left my bag with money at a shop. They offered to get me money from WINZ cause they were connected and I could g o home for the night but the children had to stay.

You can imagine how devastated I was to learn that my children were gone when I returned. Straight away I hired a lawyer. But things were so slow and my bill was $3,000 just for the first month. The lawyer told me my options were to spend approximately 3 years in court or give them what they wanted and get them back earlier. I chose the shorter time. During my young children´s stay with caregivers out of town they were being physically abused. No one denies that but no one did anything.

Out of town CYFS sent the problem to our town´s CYFS who wanted to separate them. 1 in our town and 1 in another. I frantically spread the word amongst bosses I worked for. A lovely couple was found and rushed through the system to care for the boys. Once back in our town the CYFS social worker was going to return the children but quit his job because his marriage was breaking down. So we had to start again with a new social worker but that one quit and the next one quit. This was becoming a joke.

After this came the Maori against White New Zealander war and rich against poor. I remember looking at the Children´s Lawyer and asking, “This isn´t about the children anymore is it?? CYFS social workers were sending their relatives around to my husband´s house and my husband would not back down. It had become a physical fight. Even more the Labour MP´s wife who I shall not name came around without any knowledge to tell us, “Just because you have money, don´t think we can´t get you.? What was that all about?

The Children´s Lawyer stepped in to resolve custody and have the children returned to me. A meeting was called and I had even dropped letters off to social workers homes to make sure they attend. But they didn´t and dropped a letter off to me 1 hour before the meeting canceling. Unknown to the letter, I dressed up and took all my hard documented work to CYFS and was told, “We have no meeting planned and no mention of a meeting.? Well I lost it and told them that their business was fucked up. So CYFS called a meeting to tell me that I have anger problems and that the children should not be near me unless supervised.

It just kept getting worse and worse. Just to add no one was stating I was a bad mother. For 10 years I went to court under section 101 under emotional abuse but only under possibility of emotional abuse. There had been no evidence of emotional abuse and everyone agreed I was a good mother. How fucked up is that.

The caregivers could not control my eldest son so he was placed in home after home. 13 homes in 11 months one year. Then basically locked up with bars outside his room and trackers during the day. CYFS told me it was not their job to care for the emotional or spiritual welfare of the children. They were there to provide food, clothing, shelter, school and medical (which is limited)

By now I had my family overseas offering to take the children but CYFS would only give my eldest. As a parent I could not leave my child in government care in another country. My family could not believe what was happening and continued to tell CYFS they would not find anyone in the family to care as much as I would.

Year after year, social worker after social worker, home after home and now I am lost in a system. The boys by now have been told to forget about me and the younger sons caregivers have been threatened to take custody or else loose him. They refused saying. “She is the mother.”

I had been supervised for 3 years, driven hours and spent days trying to find something to do with my boys. I have had numerous psychology reports with none finding fault. But it all meant nothing.

In 2002 I attended a court case where both CYFS and the children´s lawyer were proposing I get full custody of my eldest son. They were now scared of the monster they raised and had run out of money. Just before we entered the courtroom CYFS approached me in despair because the judge was in a bad mood and all cases were being denied. I just looked at her and said, “No, it will happen cause it is in God´s hands now.? And it did.

But that became only another beginning. My eldest son was homicidal, could read and write only a little, and was doomed to the streets. He carried knives everywhere and ended up stabbing someone. This is of course after fighting and burglary. So my life went from the family court to youth court and then to adult criminal court.

Months later, my younger son started running away, into drugs and became satanic and suicidal. The caregivers were strong Christians and my son had deliberately left around death wishes and satanic drawings. They were so hurt. But CYFS had lost control. I was only called in as the last resort. They wanted to place him in a behavior home for 1.5 years with children out of control between 11 and 15. I asked, “How can you take a child from a strong Christian home and place him with other children that are close to prison. You will drive him to death?. They saw the logic and couldn´t chance it so gave me the chance to care for him believing I would not cope and return him to them and support them by keeping my son under control.

I have spent the last 2 — 3 years fighting churches, schools, police and continually CYFS. I used every resource I could think of and mental health. Churches, schools, police and mental health gave so much because they could see I would go to the ends of the earth and more for my boys.

Full custody was gained for my younger son 2005 and with it came a lot of respect. I have said since to these lawyers (now barristers + judge) that we are going to be OK. They replied saying, “No, your family is going to more than OK. You have beat obstacles that others will never face.? And they are right. My family has a very strong bond. No more court cases, no more police, and no more knives, suicides, homicides etc, etc. And my boys are becoming upstanding citizens.

I have told CYFS that never in a lifetime could I have done as much damage to my sons as what they have. CYFS workers are also respectful. This has been a lesson for all involved in this case.

But most importantly, after all this my heart is white. If it weren´t you would have seen my boy killing CYFS workers on the news. I guess what I am trying to say to you is that I will support your cause for it is the children at the end of the day that I care about. Use me to find information for you and to change people´s minds. I have earn´t so much in my struggle and I know I can make a difference. I don´t want my struggles to be for nothing. I know the insanity too well.

We trust the foregoing account will cause you to at least ask if your wife will become our champion.

Kind regards

David Peppiatt


  1. Well, I feel honored. Also I just found out Friday that the new Governor General is a friend’s brother. I had hoped he saw this site over the weekend and then I had hoped he didn’t with the anti-feminist posts. But I will talk again to him on Thursday night. He knows my story.

    I actually encourage you to write to the new Governor General. Seems to me a very good family.

    Comment by julie — Tue 11th April 2006 @ 7:28 pm

  2. Not to be a wet blanket or anything but wouldn’t it be more effective if Julie took her story to the ombudsman.

    Its a good place to go. There’s a lot of other stories that could be taken there as well.

    CYFS and the family court are both organizations that are, to put it bluntly, way out of wack. They have the abilility to do a great deal of harm and hide behind a cloak of secrecy while so doing.

    Apart from anything else they are infected with Feminism, right at their cores and Feminism is undeniably anti-family. You have icons of that movement such as Germaine Greer openly celebrating the divorce rate as a triumph but that it hasn’t gone high enough yet! I put it to you that anyone subscribing to this ideology should not be allowed anywhere near issues to do with families and children because their ideology will drive their actions. To the detriment of families and children.

    Comment by jimmy — Tue 11th April 2006 @ 7:29 pm

  3. I think it’s time we cleared up some things about Feminism here. According to the Dictionary, Feminism is :

    “..Relating to or advocating equal rights for women..”

    I’m pretty sure there is not one regular participant here who doesn’t support the [defined] cause of Feminism.

    It’s the RADICAL Feminists or the extremists who (tentatively) we are against, because it is they who have gone too far, and brought this country to it’s knees as a result of thier philosophy, and prejudice beliefs.

    So we really should make our references to the radical feminists instead of the feminists, and be more clear… ‘Radfems’ has been used…

    Oh yeah – good luck dpex. I hope you get a response, at least.

    Comment by Moose — Tue 11th April 2006 @ 11:48 pm

  4. Moose,
    Feminist, Radical feminist, Eco feminist, Long eared ringtailed feminist. It’s all the same to me.

    I’m afraid your too scant definition of feminism misses some especially pertinent details.

    Feminists have a long history of one thing in common.
    They have been drawn to a philosophy of creating equal rights for women because of thier perception of women suffering oppression.
    That perception arises when only looking at women’s and men’s rights but NOT also women’s and men’s responsibilities.

    Men only voted AND died by the million protecting women.
    Men only had paid employment AND died by the million of industrial diseases.
    I could add lots of other examples, but it’s simpler just to refer you to

    Then feminists came along and created equal rights for women, WITHOUT volunteering for equal responsibilities too.
    So only one sex moved ahead whilst we blokes got ourselves left behind.
    There’s so much catch up for men to do it’s not funny.
    I for one am usually indifferent to feminist claims these days. I’m simply not interested in supporting women to get even further ahead of men unless they earn it by taking on more responsibilities than men, and I’m not holding my breath that’ll happen any time soon mate.

    Comment by Stephen — Wed 12th April 2006 @ 2:37 am

  5. Feminism or feminists rights are still needed to be fought for and this is in other countries. Are you aware that only 150 years or so ago a man in England had the right without question almost to kill his wife. Are you aware this is still practiced in many countries. I know you will get know where hating women. You can’t put women who believe in women’s rights into one basket. You need to rename your enemy. I am not your enemy and neither are billions of other women wh believe in equality.

    Comment by julie — Wed 12th April 2006 @ 10:06 am

  6. Julie,
    Sorry it’s simply untrue what your saying about men in England. As an Englishman myself I find your assertion both ludicrous and insulting.
    That’s a myth that’s been around for sometime now. To check out how it came to be, and how it’s effectively been used by feminists to create white male guilt for about 40 years you should go and read Warren Farrel’s – ‘The Myth of Male Power’.
    I believe you’ll be astonished and enlightened about true events once having done so.

    It’s crystal clear to me that feminists do enormous harm to me, my family, many of my friends, and whole societies I’ve personally lived in, all in the name of so called ‘justice’ and ‘equality’.
    Speaking of misguided notions of equality you might do well to also read George Orwell’s telling novel – Animal Farm.

    IMO feminism, whatever it’s noble claims, is simply about getting power for women.

    Perhaps it’s time you let go of such a now widespread despised monicer.
    Why insist on being seen as a ‘good’ faccist?

    For the record I don’t hate feminists.
    By contrast I value the philosophy of a great counselling mentor of mine Carl Rogers : Hate the sin and love the sinner.

    Comment by Stephen — Wed 12th April 2006 @ 2:34 pm

  7. i guess one may liken the family court to the berlin wall…

    Comment by cwb — Wed 12th April 2006 @ 10:06 pm

  8. I was simply trying to define our enemy here.

    I guess I have a different view of a feminist, and and a radical feminist. Everyone will have thier own ideas.

    I guess I was going by the dictionary definition myself, and trying to separate out the extremists. As with every culture/religion etc there will be extremists, and they are the ones who usually cause trouble.

    My scant definition was taken from because I thought it would be the most generic definition and therefore not draw unneeded criticism. Had I posted my own definition it would have taken more than reasonable space here.

    Comment by Moose — Wed 12th April 2006 @ 10:54 pm

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