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Thank you Judith Surgenor

Filed under: General — triassic @ 5:34 pm Mon 10th July 2006

Mss Surgenor fell into a trap on the “Sunday” program that is usually avoided by those trained in dealing with the media. She was the best evidence in the program to illustrate what men have to face within the system. How can these slime balls state that they serve ‘without fear or favor’?? She vilified the men who were protesting peacefully as ‘probably behaving that way in their marriage’???. Well Judith those men now sit alongside such people as The Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela, John Minto, Germaine Greer, Steve Biko, Martin Luther King to name but a few.

More than 4 billion people on this planet, both Christian and Moslem, believe Jesus to be a pacifist. Read Mathew 21:12 and see what he did when he saw people abusing something sacrosanct in order to make money.

The men protesting are claiming some lawyers are the scum of the earth. If the hat fits Judith……….


  1. This is an email Surgenor sent to an individual which has been forwarded to others including myself.It is followed by my reply (I think Surgenor is probably spewing at time being spent (without recompense!!) responding to these emails.

    Thanks for your email. I take on board your comments. Luckily in a democratic country I have the right to disagree with you just as you do with me. However I will not threaten, and abuse you directly for your views, nor will I harrass you at your home or place of work. It would be good if the mens group would afford me the same courtesy.
    Kind regards
    Judith Surgenor

    You confirm what people I have talked to today (whilst not revealing my membership of the father\’s coalition) were saying about you in the Sunday programme last night. Words like buffoon,moron,idiot and several others far more derogatory that I will refrain from offending sensibilities by listing. \”You will not harrass people at their home or place of work\”.

    How devoid of intelligence are you? Do you feel that parents deprived of their progeny by your mendacity and manipulation are contained within the confines of the (kangaroo) courtroom? Do you not realise the torment you cause, extends into every single pore of their being, exists around them wherever they are, at home, at work, at the shopping mall…..every second of every day!!

    How your appearance on the programme so contrasted to the individual who battled the likes of dross such as yourself and won his daughter back. I imagine you felt so smug and smarmy, conducting that interview, enjoying the limelight.How myopic of you,as all you have acheived through your folly is to reinforce the resolve of the righteous to bring to an end the den of iniquity that is injudiciously misnomered the \”Family Court\”.

    Comment by Mike — Tue 11th July 2006 @ 12:25 am

  2. Yes, I saw the show. Ms Surgenor was a dead give away. Her comments were tactless, arrogant. But she and others like her dont care what the rest of us think.

    They are the Law and they are making the money!!!

    Comment by Scott — Tue 11th July 2006 @ 1:56 am

  3. please, don’t think for a moment that it is only men whom this woman crucifies. She took a dislike to my partner and we’ve had ten years of her abuse. so our family is split and probably damaged irrevocably – but she’s sitting pretty.

    I wish you all, the very best.

    Comment by p — Tue 1st August 2006 @ 10:28 pm

  4. Dear P,

    Get in touch and join the bothering.

    Kind Regards

    Comment by Paul Catton — Tue 1st August 2006 @ 10:54 pm

  5. Keep my name off this.
    When I wrote a memorandum to the judge pointing out that Ms Surgenor failed to interview my daughter when she said that she wanted to stay with me and failed to retract her letter to me which threatened – however sideways – that the police would be involved if I didn’t change mutually agreed to plans to my ex husbands more recent whim – I pointed as I was out of Auckland the only way that plans could have been changed was by by ex phoning me.

    After pointing out these two errors to the judge she became much more reasonable.

    I recommend all people who deal with Ms Surgenor get a copy of the Care of Child act and keep on pointing out the bit that tells her that two parents are supposed to be involved with the upbringing of the children and that after one year of an interum custody arrangement that the interum legal parent order expires.

    She tends to strongly favour the custodial parent and so never give up your rights.

    You have to play her in a smart way – she is ignorant of of human feelings.

    Comment by Mother attacked by JS — Mon 26th March 2007 @ 8:14 pm

  6. Hi guys

    im going to put another point of view here, I was involved with one of the lawyers who you speak about. I found her courteous helpful and without doubt absolutely fair. I am male I have and had parenting / custody orders for both of my children. I found the court process while cumboursome and unwieldy does produce results and is far more effective than Australia UK and others. If you are prepared to be a parent and be there you will according to the needs of the children have access or parenting orders… you also need to understand that to some extent all of this is a “game”, you have to restrain yourself in court provide sensible replies and avoid having mud thrown at you that sticks…. on the contra you need to be careful throwing it unless you are very sure of your facts

    Ive had a situation where neither of my children wanted to see their mother at all but in their interests and through managing the situation made an access agreement work, then proceeded to hand off one to stay with the mother when she was ready and would do the same with the other if that was best for this one as well.

    I know how frustrating this system can be and could see how easily i could have ended up on the other side of it. I did not. I think my background helped but the other party did most of the sabotage for herself and I just had to keep my mouth shut.. she came within second of ending up in jail at the FC Judges behest, got diversion for breaching a tresspass order and assaulted me…

    My children are strong intelligent and balanced, they have been affected by the war between their parents and changed irrevobaly but they are resilient and will learn for themselves what works for them

    I would encourage you and others to stop fighting the “system” and looking out for what you want and think about the huge affect these wars have on the children and try to find a way to help them work through this time, and it will pass, they will grow up and you will form an adult relationship with them if you do things right even if for now the “system” appears to defeat you

    Comment by grant — Fri 25th July 2008 @ 4:51 pm

  7. Judith Surgenor is a person who makes a snap decision and stands by it regardless of what evidence is produced otherwise. She does not take into account that both parents should be involved in the childs upbringing and once she favours one parent against another, thats it.

    Comment by T. lowett — Sat 11th September 2010 @ 10:12 am

  8. judith surgenor plays on ‘care’ but made $1.2 million out of tax payer and always pretends busy, causing troubles> when a parent asked her if this parent can take the child for a show or travel, she made a few affidavits and heavily disturbed and made $2000-$3000 each time, then ended up at the court hearing after 2 months or longer, everything is MISSED, too late………..reason bitter naustiness. Minister in parliament wants to change family court system, they are so RIGHT!, without this so call ‘child lawyer, who never advice the child their rights any way, due to no witness, all children are minor, even a teacher sitting next to the meeting, had no idea what shall be asked and what Judith reported to court, it can something entirelly different. No quality control……… needs to be sued for compensation. if you want to take judith to NZ law society, or open court, do it, get suppor from us. wake up and stand up to it. Make productive helping money, not make someone suffer.

    Comment by confidential for now — Fri 16th September 2011 @ 9:31 am

  9. It is true that Judith Surgenor is a person who makes a snap decision and stands by it regardless of what evidence is produced otherwise. She makes these snap decisions against both mothers and fathers. She is not bias towards fathers at all. She is bias towards whichever parent she decides to vindicate then goes out of her way to CREATE fault. She does not care about the children. She only cares about finding and punishing whoever parent she takes a personal dislike of. She needs to be removed!I have a friend who is a mother and has Judith as the LFC. Judith has been on a campaign of hatred ever since she took a personal dislike to this mother. Judith has no place being a LFC when she is not able to put her personal judgements aside.

    Comment by Kiwi — Fri 14th October 2011 @ 3:33 pm

  10. yes, judith surgenor shall be removed. she created more fights and victim is children, also one of parents. without her this world is a better place. save tax payer money! and family court system needs to change.!

    Comment by confidential for now — Sun 20th November 2011 @ 9:35 am

  11. 5 years in family court, I realised___Judith creates fights between parents!!! so she can come back to court again and again to make tax payers’ money. Wake up to all of us. she has no consideration of children at all.
    1. she never advice minor children law any way, the system does not need this type of child lawyer. Yough & child social workers are far better with team quality control and kinder persons.
    2. if she were a leader in a country, there may be 3rd world war. We need someone a true peace faithful kind person.

    when you refused to see her, she behaved a little, for our future and our children, let us make a change today. contact each other, if you wish to take Judith surgenor to court or NZ law society, I will be with you. how can we contact each other. give a face book or random email.

    Comment by justice — Sun 20th November 2011 @ 3:34 pm

  12. I am in to New Zealand law society about Judith surgenor’s brave act to make tax payers’s money ‘legally ‘ to cause damage to our child and sits comfotable in her ego – will you come with me to law society, this is my private email, fell free to contact, let us ask if it is right together. This is a free country, we have good wishes, we shall be heard.
    I fully understand all of you felt. hope to hear from you soon. [email protected].

    Comment by fairness — Tue 24th January 2012 @ 10:48 pm

  13. sorry correct email is [email protected]

    Comment by fairness — Tue 24th January 2012 @ 10:49 pm

  14. I was represented by Judith Surgenor as a child. She did not take my feelings or human rights into consideration. I witnessed Judith verbally abusing my mother on several occasions, which was inappropriate and unprofessional. Judith took her personal opinions too far. She wanted me removed from my mother, which is what happened, without sufficient evidence. I was harshly abused in foster care, and my mother could not protect me. I feel that if judith had not been my legal counsel, I would never have suffered abuse as a child. Judith Surgenor also spoke very highly of the people who abused me, and my abusers were never charged, although there was sufficient evidence. Now the people who abused me have been given the right to parent other children. All I want is for my human rights, and the rights of my family, to be taken into consideration. I no longer get to see my own siblings. What happened to my human rights, Judith?

    Comment by Jack — Tue 7th April 2015 @ 10:47 am

  15. Jack I think Judge Lawrence Ryan, Principal Family Court Judge, is probably the right person for you to write to an to seek answers from. Ms Surgenor still acts as Lawyer for Children on appointment by the Family Court. While Judge Ryan may never have been involved in your own case he holds the ability to investigate matters done under the order of his court.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Tue 7th April 2015 @ 11:18 am

  16. Thank you.

    Comment by Jack — Tue 7th April 2015 @ 11:31 am

  17. Can some please advise me if this site is still valid and where to lay a official complaint regarding Judith Surgenor. I have copied and pasted a comment made to this site regarding her Lawyer for Child abilities and her lack of hindsight or reason. Her Bias painfully obvious.

    I am a very distressed family member. Once i give you the shortest version I can as well as the version of Jack (below). The similarities are uncanny. This women needs to be stopped from endangering the lives of children who are meant to be foremost in her thoughts. They are pushed aside and replaced with inhuman feelings really.

    Judith Surgenor is the Lawyer for Child for my cousins son. This situation arose when when it became apparent that my cousins son was being physically abused by both his Poppa, Dad and Nana. One of the above family members wanted to go to Thailand. At this stage Len was in his mothers care 3 days a week maybe 4. The family approached Sue and asked if they could take him. Sue said no. He suffers extreme asthma and has a lung condition and he was only 6.

    On the day that Len was due home to his mothers, Sue had a funny feeling that they had just taken him. And they had on the advice from Judith Surgenor to “just take him there is nothing they can do about it” and she was right. The police did nothing even though this was kidnap on the advice of their friend and Grandsons lawyer Judith Surgeonor.

    You think thats bad read on

    Ok so Judith Surgenor has never acted on behalf of Len. She knows personally the other party involved, to the point, where I actually thought she was their lawyer. Every decision this women has made has been totally out the hate.

    Judith also knows my cousin and her mother. She is not fond of either of them due to one of them refusing to lie in court for her. She detests the family and is waging a personal vendetta against my family.
    The only casualty here is going to be Len.

    Now up to date as I am probably running out of room will no doubt cast aspersions in your mind about Judith Surgenors ability to service without bias.
    And yes we also need to know how we can change Lawyer for family from Judith to someone with a heart.

    After the family member was caught and charged with Abuse of a child, bearing in mind these three people all live together in one house. They were all involved as the police report outlayed, they want to deal with the first family member then the other two would be investigated for child abuse.

    After the member had his day in court and was indeed found guilty,the family went to their lawyer requesting that Len come to them (one child abuser and two under suspicion,)Judith Surgenor makes the most unbelievable call of all time, or was it just normal for her to make such catastrophic decisions.The police had the report on the whole family, Judith Says “you get Sunday from 9 to 5, unsupervised in the very environment that he was rescued from in the first place. Come on she has now put Len right back into the arms of his abusers. Well done lady. Will a death be what Judith needs to wake up and remember why she is there. For the little people who cant represent them selves.
    So Len finds out he is going bursts into tears and says “they are going to beat me” but no he has to go to what could be impending doom. He is emotionally traumatised. We want a new Child for Lawyer where can we request this urgently Please. If anyone can point us in the right direction asap please do. Our children need protecting from Judith Surgenor.

    Tue 7th April 2015 at 10:47 am
    I was represented by Judith Surgenor as a child. She did not take my feelings or human rights into consideration. I witnessed Judith verbally abusing my mother on several occasions, which was inappropriate and unprofessional. Judith took her personal opinions too far. She wanted me removed from my mother, which is what happened, without sufficient evidence. I was harshly abused in foster care, and my mother could not protect me. I feel that if judith had not been my legal counsel, I would never have suffered abuse as a child. Judith Surgenor also spoke very highly of the people who abused me, and my abusers were never charged, although there was sufficient evidence. Now the people who abused me have been given the right to parent other children. All I want is for my human rights, and the rights of my family, to be taken into consideration. I no longer get to see my own siblings. What happened to my human rights, Judith?

    Comment by Shelly — Sat 3rd December 2016 @ 4:59 pm

  18. When I was a child, Judith Surgenor was the lawyer appointed to represent me and my younger siblings. She allowed us to be abused in foster care, then tried to cover up the evidence.
    Even after a man had confessed to abusing me, Judith said -let him shine in his glory- it’s all on file. Judith is nothing more than a white collar criminal. Thanks to her, my family has been destroyed, my future stolen from me.
    The people who abused us were allowed to walk away scott-free.

    Comment by Jack Ryder — Thu 4th February 2021 @ 11:28 am

  19. This is one of her comments.
    In attacking the desire to review the system.
    Most importantly, government spending.
    IE her income.

    “To slash and burn something you don’t understand isn’t particularly wise or fair.”

    She must have looked deep inside herself to find such wise words.

    The thing about wrongdoing is it doesn’t go away.
    As in comment 18.
    She may have slashed and burnt the parents lives.
    Without accountability.
    But strangely the victim is those they profited from protecting.

    Imagine the thousands joining forces, persecuting the enabler.
    As in the devastated lives, made by the Family Court.
    As the Catholic Church is persecuted for there mistakes.
    Or schools that hushed up, for vanity, the bad teacher.

    The hurt comes from holding on to things.
    So forgiveness enables healing.
    But without the confession, forgiveness is very difficult.
    Without the confession, you can only find understanding.
    A powerful thing, as the offender now struggles to be false.
    So understanding, creates the possibility of accountability.
    And can make forgiveness easier.

    That path is justice.
    A difficult path, no matter how just.
    As the hurt can create hate.
    So never go from hurt to accountability.
    Go from hurt to understanding.
    Then when you have the power of understanding.
    You can then find forgiveness.
    And avoid the difficult path of persecution.
    But then accountability, and justice.

    Then, when the offender is trapped.
    By understanding.
    By the reality of accountability.
    You may even get the confession.

    What then of the argument.
    Can you not imagine any path to forgiveness.
    Go there with your imagination.
    Feel it, in your future self.
    Don’t you then already have forgiveness.

    Could you then turn the other cheek.
    Suffer the abuser.
    But feel no hurt.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 4th February 2021 @ 4:11 pm

  20. Judith is just one evil evil person. She is not a good lawyer for child in anyway she is bias, nasty and totally stupid how she made it to where she is today i have no idea. After reading these comments which are so similar to our case, i amazed that she is still walking around today.!

    Comment by Vanessa — Fri 2nd July 2021 @ 10:59 am

  21. We are currently stuck with Judith.
    We are working together co parenting. And have made great mutual decisions through counselling.
    We have asked to drop lawyers from each other and her. She completely refuses. This woman outwardly goes out to cause problems in a now working arrangement.
    Both of us find her distressing.
    She has no other issue but extending her own interests eg being paid by the legal system.
    She causes undue stress forcing her own opinion
    How do we get rid of her off our case. We have asked for a final agreement both agreeing and we are both happy to work the rest out through a counselling service which has been most helpful.
    But we are being forced to keep going through the court service by this woman.

    Comment by Mom — Mon 27th September 2021 @ 9:39 pm

  22. I would say this post does need a little clarification:
    In the period of history referred to in ‘Mathew’ the temples had gradually become vaults of wealth, where the basements were used for storage.
    They were guarded 24/7 and progressively became our period equivalent of a bank and safe deposit box.
    In the representative case of Jesus clearing a temple, this was a religious state dispute about sanctity of prayer ‘in my father’s house’.
    I would dispute the convenient defence of ‘his father’s house’ as an act of violence.
    The Romans were well aware of the consequences of female ownership of property from the experiences of the Greeks.
    Only men could (generally) own property in Rome.
    Aside from this, ‘religion’ won this battle of the sanctity of the church and the businessman and money traders were made to utilize private property for their commercial activities.

    The negative outcome of this was that many financial records were lost in the collapse of Rome as they were in private households and we are left in a somewhat vague position as to the factual economics of the late Roman period.

    Remember also that written English didn’t exist until around 1000 AD and the translation of these Roman remnants came some centuries later.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 28th September 2021 @ 9:49 am

  23. And He declared to them, “It is written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer.’ But you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’ ”

    That could be compared to any institution.
    The money changers, dove sellers, were profiteering.
    It was there living.

    As Downunder says some behaviours changed.
    But far more, innocently, it still happens.
    Churches do many things to raise money.

    It’s a pity we don’t have the record, of his trial.
    The motive for his prosecution.
    And how even the public, turned on him.

    What was the test.
    To prove his claim was false.
    To prove the prosecutions claim, is true.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 28th September 2021 @ 2:35 pm

  24. And an educated youth who had watched the goings on with some internet returned to his father’s mansion for dinner and asked “Pray-tell father, what do you make of this ruckus in the temple?” .

    Comment by Evan Myers — Tue 28th September 2021 @ 2:46 pm

  25. Judith Surgenor
    Ruins people’s lives.
    Once she takes a dislike to you whether you are a good parent or not. Her focus becomes a person vendetta against you.
    You could be the best parent in your kids lives. But Judith will chip and chip away at every fault or even create faults to make you look bad. Most of the time without any insight into what is actually happening. If you have the unfortunate experience of being awarded Ms Surgenor as your lawyer for child. The only safe this to do is try to get her removed off your child’s case or run as far away as you can.
    This woman is one of the most awful women I have ever met. Not only that but she take joy in ripping lives to shreds and taking children from safe homes into unsafe homes. Her representation of your child is never truthful and she never divulges the whole truth only matters that suit her agenda.
    This is a sad sad situation that west Auckland children are represented by such a bias individual who only works and relays information that fits her narrative of events.

    Comment by Anonymous — Sat 6th May 2023 @ 11:18 am

  26. Lawyers are human, so you expect errors.

    Some lawyers with few errors, but some with many errors.
    Errors of judgement, so not actually intentional.
    They have a belief, and stick with it poisoning thinking.
    The error and the human part, it’s believed not know it’s true.

    You get the same error, in police work.
    Making assumptions, stereotyping predetermining guilt.
    Getting fooled or by an exaggerated story, becoming the patsy.
    The offender plays the victim, and the humans fall for it.

    I am learning, not to criticise individuals.
    Unavoidable at times, but I do try.
    Better to be indiscriminate, and just accuse all lawyers.
    Like it’s hard to ignore, more conflict means more money.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 6th May 2023 @ 7:33 pm

  27. Awful woman. This woman Judith is an awful piece of work.
    Creates havoc in people lives. Creates her own version of events.
    Doesn’t listen to the child. Doesn’t listen to the parents.
    Creates her own version of events. Doesn’t want anything to do with the child she is meant to be representing.
    She is only there for the payday and milking the public system to line her own pockets and pockets of her own friends.

    Comment by Simon — Wed 5th July 2023 @ 1:54 am

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