Events for Novemeber and December
Sorry for the short notice but we have tickets for free parking in a city carpark and free tickets for a special area where children will not only see the Santa Parade but receive free goodies and such.
Santa Parade for single parents (mums and dads)
Also free tickets for a family show from Southern Stars Charitable Trust. Once again these tickets are $30 each to the public.
Date: 8th December 2007
Venue: ASB Showgrounds, Greenlane Rd West, Auckland
Times: 10am, 1pm and 4pm.
Please let me know ASAP. If I can’t get the tickets out to you in time you can pick them up from my home.
“WHITE RIBBON DAY”, why isn’t anyone organizing a counter demonstration, a la Father 4 Justice, a few batman and robin suits would gain loads of publicity ! Even better if some of the women actually attacked the caped crusaders. It would be have to be quite subtle and 100% NON-violent, WHY NOT ? Who does these sort of things ? It would have to be men who have been VICTIMS of female violence, physical or phsychological
Comment by martin swash — Tue 20th November 2007 @ 7:13 pm
No, ignore that , it is a United Nations official day, so it wouldn’t look good, but WAKE UP MEN, someone do something ! Family laws will never change UNLESS pressure is brought to bear on these family destroyers politicians!
Comment by martin swash — Tue 20th November 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Hi Martin, there was something on the cards …. and something was done last year. But hey, all you can do is get better and better.
Why not put some ideas forward also. There is never enough doing enough.
Comment by julie — Tue 20th November 2007 @ 9:40 pm
It has to father 4 justice type dressed up as batman and spiderman, it is non-violent, not serious, wave some placards “Fathers LOVE their kids”, “Women are violent Too”
Comment by swashy — Wed 21st November 2007 @ 10:27 am
Hi again swashy,
So where do you want to do this? Where do you live?
I am sure costumes would not be a problem but the days are numbered.
Comment by julie — Wed 21st November 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Swashy, I saw your comment on the Jim Bagnall post.
I will give you a chance but I am not interested in guys or girls who want to dictate.
I have seen this before after a meeting we held in Waitakere. I even went out of my way to meet with someone and introduced him to my personal good friends. Not menz frenz, but MY friends. And all I got was, “You should do this and this isn’t good enough and this website should so this and this guy should do that”.
If you have come on here to dictate, best you take a hike. Because I am not interested in egos. You earn your way or you step aside. Simple as that.
But then again, I said I will give you a chance. So…. what are YOU going to do?
Comment by julie — Wed 21st November 2007 @ 6:19 pm
I did go to centre of Wellington today, but saw no demonstrations, one solo demonstrator looks a bit like a saddo anyway, it would take a group, the larger the better, that is what i DID.
Julie, check my posts , i never said “You Should do anything”. I just think that there is untapped abused group of fathers out there ripe for protest, it will take a really bad anti-father incident to galvanise all the fathers who have abused by all this anti-male legislation(and some female partners). What I am saying is “somebody , organisation something”, this is not dictating! But i wouldn’t want this to become a Peoples front of Judea/Judean Peoples front discussion(for those who know “Life of Brian”). Being new to all this and a new immigrant, i would have to defer organization of this
Comment by martin swash — Wed 21st November 2007 @ 10:44 pm
Martin,
We are all trying in our own way. I didn’t mean to come across as hard but like you I went out after writing to you to protest. I tried to phone Jimmmy Bagnall for support but his phone is off. So I dressed nicely and took my box of booklets to the men’s health meeting in Waitakere hoping to walk in and boldly hand them out to show others what is going on.
But low and behold there was well over 100 people in attendance and stalls and speakers talking professionally with all the trimmings.
So I sat down and after the first speaker I put my hand up to ask a question thinking I have to say something. Peter (The Mad Butcher) said, “It’s a female, let’s give her the microphone.” So I stood up and spoke from my heart and then asked whether there is any chance this Government would give us a men’s affairs.” It created a bit of a stir and others in the audience were asked to contribute. And then they gave me a prize for my question. I got a rugby ball.
Afterwards I stood outside and handed out my booklets. Males were thanking me and saying things like, “Great question and from a female.” Even the guy who is on the commercial for Mental Health said, “You are a very insightful female.”
That was all great but just after my question it was spoken how we can all but mostly the men persuade a politician in New Lynn.
People know even if they are questioning whether they are right or not.
It is rare that I have to do something alone and it will be the same for you. Whatever you put forward no matter how small others will step out there with you. It is nerve wrecking at first but you will find there is so much support.
I am glad you are one of us. Sorry again. I didn’t know you were new but that makes your attitude even better that you are fired up.
Comment by julie — Thu 22nd November 2007 @ 7:48 am
Julie your still doing the work your not activating the workers.
Comment by Benjamin Easton — Thu 22nd November 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Benjamin, I loved last night. I even got a cuddle from the Mad Butcher. I am a fan of his. He says he is a fan of me also. hehehe
Comment by julie — Thu 22nd November 2007 @ 8:18 pm
It is good that you are challenging the problem directly. And it does no harm that you go to a meeting and that you advocate on behalf of men. Yet your energy becomes the focus for men and men relax immediately because they see that they do not have to view the problem under their own initiative. You stand up in a room where men have finally begun to get themselves together and say, look at me. I repeat this is not necessarily a bad thing but if it is a pattern of behaviour that acts to disassociate men from progress, realigning them to think more like a woman then the problem is repeated and vanity becomes an issue of concern. From my subjective view if men start thinking that they need a ministry of men’s affairs then they are demonstrating that they cannot comprehend the complexity of the problem. We would have a commission for family, a ministry for women and a ministry for men. That is an expression of not comprehending the problem and over resourcing to consider facts that are really very simple. I am not berating you for putting forward the issue of a ministry for men’s affairs nor am I admonishing you for your energy or your actions, yet I am pointing to you that you are missing the role and responsibility that women should be challenging when dealing wioth gender disparity. If I am right then eventually actions by women that disengage men from addressing the problem become the problem.
My advice to you was to visit Lynne Pillay. That is where you will find teh problem that women need to locate and challenge. And the challenge I put to you is that you haven’t done this because it is much harder for you to do. You are powerful and energetic yet your energy may be being misplaced. Conversley in one of my earliest posts to you encouraging you in your energy I suggested that you should be talking to the Mad Butcher and to Mark Ellis instead of Michael Hill, and this is what you are doing: so good on you. I am asking you to consider what I am saying about where you will have the greatest impact. Men need you more directly to challenge women, than to harvest the fields with men.
Cheers,
Benjamin.
Comment by Benjamin Easton — Fri 23rd November 2007 @ 11:57 am
Benjamin,
Waitakere is DOING something. I just attended a meeting. The men are doing something. I have been invited to represent our group at another meeting next Wednesday. I am just doing what groups do.
Talk to the National Prostate Cancer society. Find out what they ARE doing to save men’s lives. There is many groups doing things and the National Party is doing things and you want me to see Lynn Pillay? I have forgotten what you want for me to say to her. Something about single mothers. Those on the DPB got a raise recently probably as a tactic for Labour votes. What more do you want me to ask for women?
Maybe it is best that you do this yourself.
Comment by julie — Fri 23rd November 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Not edited.
Prostate cancer is only one of the issues in gender discrimination about which there should recognition that there is a problem. It is a serious problem where the cancer has been left to fester and men’s issues have been neglected if not forgotten. Men have died in numbers, uncounted as against those other statistics better flowered as to demand that only women bleed.
Your voice is loud. You accurately point out that your advocacy is for single parents. You are right that you are just doing what groups do. You are not challenged for your energy, you are challenged for where you deliver the effects of that energy. You wrote “Those on the DPB got a raise recently probably as a tactic for Labour votes.” Your words are in the same vein as consistent to my challenge. You say “There is many groups doing things and the National Party is doing things and you want me to see Lynne Pillay?”
You have forgotten what I wanted you to say to her – which is your perogative.
I am advising you Julie that y9ou are not talking ot the problem. I am suggersting that you are cushioning your advocacy into the place most comfortable for you rather than being focused as to the problem as it is real. Your comment says Labour gave you what you want and then you condemn them promoting National instead as if yourt comprehension of the facts entitles you to be right because that is simply how you feel. You have missed the point on the differences between the two parties and their fundamental; principles. With your freedom in a loud voice you have stood in a crowd of men to rally to the noise, missing what it is all about. The reason single parents got more on teh DPB was because they were being protected to the Labour philosophy and for no other reason. You’ve missed the point.
Presently and directly New Zealand is in a major upheaval readjusting from feminist idealology back to that of paternalism. It would seem that this is going to be done in a fool hardy way if those who are directly championing that change have not comprehended what the change and its necessities really are. Where women have abused the privilege of power is to have exercised in freedom to be independent of men. By nature this is not possible. Fairness has not been concluded. The group on whose behalf you are advocating are victims of these conditions. If you wish to effectively advocate on their behalf then their needs are to be realigned into stable male and female relationships. That is why you shouuld talk to Lynne Pillay. That is what you have to say to her if you have any plans effectively to champion teh cause of those many thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people you claim to represent.
You say: “Maybe it is best you do this yourself” And I reply, it isn’t my Trust Julie it is yours. If you want to protect men from women, or women from men or single parents to improved conditions then you need to effectively comprehend the problem. I say to you that for the moment, even though you express extraordinary energy, the truth is just too hard. Every child is entitled to mum and dad. Until you meet Lynne Pillay on these grounds with that message then you are in danger of doing more harm than good.
Respectfully,
Benjamin Easton
(of a) father’s coalition.
Comment by Benjamin Easton — Sat 24th November 2007 @ 11:32 am
Benjamin,
I am not going to argue with you.
I will pass on your request to the single parent fathers of our group and pass on your contact details. Things are winding down for the year but we should be moving again next February.
Merry xmas and Happy New Year.
Plus I am going to finish my papers next year.
Comment by julie — Sat 24th November 2007 @ 12:50 pm