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How embedded is female priviledge in NZ?

Filed under: General — Julie @ 9:13 am Tue 5th June 2007

Rob says,

Female privilege is so embedded in our social and political landscape that many of us don’t even see it, our attentions being inclined toward the unusual rather than the commonplace. Establishment power doesn’t see it, nor do many women.
Some men see it, many sense it, and a few have felt the full force of it.

Just this weekend gone I read and used 2 articles for another site and if I hadn’t of known about female privilege and how DV uses the Duluth method which is non scientific but based on men are perpetrators and women are victims, I wouldn’t have noticed how we are accepting men as violent and women as the meek, sweet sex who would only hurt a male because he forced her to as a victim at almost infancy.

In both articles which are used on major sites and used by other groups the boys are bad and the girls are victims. For instant the first article was about tantrums. Every time the professional writer spoke of the child throwing a tantrum, she used the word “He” Never once did she speak of a girl throwing a tantrum. And the other article was on bullying. The bully was always a ‘he’ and the victim was always a ‘she’. And this is toddlers and primary school children we are talking about. This show that the schools must also be using this formula for the programs they have to try and stop bullying.

Then recently, I spoke with rape crisis. You know that they are soon to be their own national group like a commission. I asked them if they had any group that spoke with them on behalf of males being raped because they told me they use the women centres for alot of information. “One”, they said is involved and this one is for males who were raped as children by their fathers. So I asked, “What if a woman rapes a man?” Well, it seems that does not happen in their eyes and this is at the top. Even in drunk situations. It is men who are purposely getting women drunk by buying them drinks.

So what help is available to men? The said that there is “one”, (only one) counsellor representing ACC that can deal with claims. Now that is a definate worry.

But it got me thinking, who represents males being boys, youth and/or men in the Families Commission, the Children’s Commission and so forth. No wonder the Human Rights Commission doesn’t know what to do. They rely on these other commissions and the Ombudsman which I might add doesn’t hear about male problems very often.

Makes one wonder if in fact it is all feminist’s fault? (not including radical feminists here) Or if somehow men’s rights have been taken for granted until men themselves find they are a victim to the system?

It is a bit strange how Judge Boshier refuses to meet with the Father’s Coalition yet speaks out publicly that the men need to change things at a political level. Could it be that he is asking for some representation in commissions and the like? Could it be that when he said publicly, “Fathers need to show me they are important to their children’s lives” that he is asking for documented proof because that is how everything seems to work these days.

BTW, This is outside the protesting. Protesting is important to keep lawyers and judges accountable. They need to stop corrupt behaviors when dealing with children, dads and mums. These are just thoughts.


  1. Julie,

    Good points.

    I found the gender stereotyping of males as bullies and girls as victims of particular interest. Can you provide the link to where you found this? (I recently read a news item about bullying over the internet and cell-phones. Two thirds of the bullies were females, bullying mainly other females).

    You raise doubt as to whether it is all the feminist’s fault. I don’t believe so either. Looking at other contexts where inequality is obvious to an outsider, it is clear that most of the privileged class are neither active politically, nor even aware that the under-privileged have a legitimate grievance. They absorb their thinking from the culture they live in. Because of their large numbers and relative apathy, they effectively preserve the status quo. (The same can be said for many of the under-privileged).

    You make an interesting observation about the lack of representation of men and boys’ interests in public policy.
    It shows just how little consideration is given to the male half when even animals have a national body in the SPCA that is given a sympathetic audience by government. Your cat is better represented than I am!

    Clearly a national body representing men and boys is called for. Just what form it takes isn’t yet clear, but its formation will be hastened by men and women first acknowledging that a problem exists.

    Comment by Rob Case — Tue 5th June 2007 @ 11:30 am

  2. “Fathers need to show me they are important to their children’s lives” that he is asking for documented proof because that is how everything seems to work these days.


    The proof has been around for years.

    As to the policy frameworks you refer to the power comes from the top down not the bottom up hence why men have targeted the top level.



    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 5th June 2007 @ 12:42 pm

  3. Hmm, Scrap.

    “”As to the policy frameworks you refer to the power comes from the top down not the bottom up hence why men have targeted the top level.””

    Then where does the top get their information from? Where does the top get their power from?

    BTW, I am not including Helen Clarke and her click group here because they are working hard to finish their goals and agendas by next year. They aren’t playing the political game, they are running their own race. I heard today that she now has the child care going and is tackling anit Christainity and one more to go that I can’t remember. I think she also has the Asian/Pacific Union happening.

    I read an interesting article about America and how the media are attempting to dimiss the agenda for a North American Union by dismissing it as an urban legend. It looks like all that Helen is doing cannot be undone.

    It was this article but I changed it so that he and she was included.
    Info came from Already written to the editor.

    Comment by julie — Tue 5th June 2007 @ 3:04 pm

  4. Then where does the top get their information from?

    From telling the bottom what it wants.

    E.G. Minister Responsible for CS “I want more child tax levied”

    Policy analysts in IRD ” We need to get more Child tax for the minister. We will increase the percentage levied.

    Clogs and wheels of policy development cycle of IRD leads to legislative change.

    The instruction has come from the top.

    The top gets information from various sources but the top decides the agenda.

    Look at the current tragedy when power was cut off by an SOE. The orders are comming from the top to change the system not from the bottom.

    Its a question of leverage applied at points of time, but the top prevails.

    Look at what the new right did in the 80’s hardly bottom up was it!



    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 5th June 2007 @ 3:16 pm

  5. Scrap, I don’t know what happened in the 80’s.

    Tell you the truth I only voted what my family voted.

    Comment by julie — Tue 5th June 2007 @ 5:00 pm

  6. See :

    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 5th June 2007 @ 6:19 pm

  7. Neat site Scrap. BTW, I think I may have voted once in the late 80’s. Age thing. Having a great chat about men’s rights on trademe. lol

    Comment by julie — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 10:13 am

  8. Julie,

    I doubt you’ll have much success in convincing anyone at TradeMe. Who else has the time to engage in chat during a working day, but women? You’ll be mauled by ‘feminists’ who are in reality just ordinary women looking out for their own interests, regardless of justice or logical consistency.

    Women as a group continue to enjoy a massive resource advantage over men, in having so much more leisure time.

    Comment by Rob Case — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 12:09 pm

  9. I see Julie is still leading you guys a merry dance

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 12:42 pm

  10. Rob, I wasn’t aware that 85% of the commentors are feminists on Tradme until a female who works in Family Violence told me. (she sees the same as I do) But … I must say, they are overall OK to talk with. But then I too am a feminist so I am no threat to challenge what we are being fed that is crap. A saying I recieved from J.A.I.L (international group holding Judges accountable) is this;

    There are thousands of people hacking away at the branches of evil and few people hacking at the roots.

    To me the elite and the Rockefellers are the problem. Even Hitler knew it. And I like the men’s sites that are doing the same. The men are more onto this than the women. Us females have been mislead. There are a number of us talking to customers and the like about how we have been screwed. I love hearing feedback from women who tell me that they have other women talking about “Aunty Helen is bad for us.” We network, that’s what we are good at. We are chatter boxes and love to spread news. lol

    Jim, welcome back. You are going to be a thorn in my side for along time I guess. Sadly, your grab for men on this site will be useless. It is not an action but talk. Look first to your neighbourhood and then North Shore and then another area and then another until you cover NZ. The time you use to bring me down is wasted time. But free will is for all. Just remember you give ME your control when you sacrafice you TIME to me. lol

    Comment by julie — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 3:00 pm

  11. Julie- you say that:
    To me the elite and the Rockefellers are the problem.
    There are many possible “problems” from the Jews, the Axis of Evil, The Communists, the Great Satan America, Jim Bailey, or even the Egg Plant that ATE CHICAGO!!

    The only problem we can do anything about is ourselves.
    If we allow ourselves to be bullied- it is our weakness that is the problem.

    Julie- you are mistaken to believe that only women network. We men network in our own way, perhaps the reason you didn’t know is because you are a woman.
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    Possibly Feminist priveledge IS a problem- but it is not MY problem- I don’t allow it to be a problem for me.

    Comment by John Brett — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 6:00 pm

  12. John Brett,
    What a wonderful thing to write. I do know that men network all the time. In business especially. I even know that a man’s word is inportant. I am not niave to how men are in normal life. It is the men’s movement I don’t get.

    Comment by julie — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 7:07 pm

  13. cont.. that is why I look outside of NZ for the problem.

    Comment by julie — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 7:08 pm

  14. It is the men’s movement I don’t get- Me neither!
    As a small part of it, I couldn’t explain it coherently either.
    I think perhaps you are looking for a coherent, unified body of “Mens Movement” focussed people, such as exists in say Min of Wim’s affairs.
    What I see are many men, who have or had different focii for their lives, who have run foul of the Femocracy, would like to resolve their own personal issues, and yet don’t want to be part of any “Movement”.
    I meet them and talk to them all the time, in a work context. (Men- networking!!)
    I resent most men who stand on a soapbox claiming to represent me- (Jim Bagnall excepted!)
    Most women I know resent women claiming to represent them too- many women told me how angry they were at Sue Bradford for example.
    Sue Bradford- NOT A SLAPPER? Yeah right!
    Perhaps the Men’s movement is men in crisis networking, supporting and encouraging each other.

    Comment by John Brett — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 8:01 pm

  15. How embedded is female priviledge? Almost everytime there is an article on tv about ‘boy-racers’, it features yet another ‘boy-racer’ with decided female attributes and obvious feminine sexuality. How often I drive at 100KM to be but overtaken by yet another woman in a powerful 110km-minimum rated 4wd beast.
    Yet women are never the agressors. Yeah right.

    Comment by Frank & Earnest — Wed 6th June 2007 @ 10:05 pm

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