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John Key on Domestic Violence

Filed under: General — UF @ 9:05 am Wed 18th April 2007

In his speech to the Salvation Army yesterday, Mr Key told how he sees domestic violence…

? “The trials (Louise Nicholas) throw light on a pattern of behaviour and an attitude towards women which persists in this country.

Domestic violence is the disgraceful secret of some otherwise successful men, and is the sorry burden of their partners…

There remains a dark side to the experiences of too many New Zealand women and children at the hands of too many New Zealand men. The evidence can be seen partly in the disturbing crime statistics relating to domestic violence…

It goes without saying that the perpetrators of violence are usually men, and their victims are women and children. These are the reported figures, but they are only the tip of the iceberg. All crime is subject to under-reporting, but violence against women and children is one of those crimes least likely to come to police notice.

For some of these women and children, violence occurs only rarely. For others, however, violence is so common as to be virtually a normal part of everyday life. This strips the dignity, self-confidence and hope away from those who are subjected to it.

It is a judge’s job to measure one crime against another, and to set a sentence accordingly. To me, however, domestic violence, which encompasses the injuring, bullying and oppression of women and children, is always sickening.”


Does Mr Key also find the injuring, bullying and oppression of men sickening?? Is he aware of the stats regarding the sex of the perpetrators of domestic violence against children?

? I would think statements like “patterns of behaviour and attitudes”, “oppression” and the ignorant phrase, “It goes without saying that the perpetrators of violence are usually men, and their victims are women and children,”? would clearly show Mr Key’s thinking on the topic.

So the leaders of both our major parties choose to ignore violence by women against men, children or other women.


  1. Unfortunately this shows that no matter what the political changes if any at the next election, the political backdrop and perceptions of domestic violence and other linked issues will remain much the same.

    Comment by Ken Maclaren — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 9:31 am

  2. National just lost any chance of my vote
    My Local MP Jonathan Coleman is already on the **Candidates for Shame** list

    Because he has done NOTHING to help Javan and I get our FC Ordered **Equal** Parenting honoured by WINZ

    I will ask Noelle to place John Key on the list and give a link to this article as my reason

    Onward and thanks – Jim

    Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 11:01 am

  3. Subject: NZ – Attention John Key Re NZ – Domestic Violence LIES

    MP – NZ – John Key – E/Helensville – National – Leader of the Opposition


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    I have enjoyed and promoted much of what you have done and said

    However I am very challenged by your speech about NZ-Domestic Violence

    (LINK) or Go

    The speech displays gross ignorance of the facts about Domestic Violence

    Please update yourself on the facts before you go down the track of increasing the 300,000 some 400,000 NZ-Kids deliberately separated from their own DADS by heinous NZ Law and Social Policy

    The DVA being built on corrupt stats and info

    (LINK) or Go

    Hope for our Kids sake that your are listening

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    Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 11:57 am

  4. Here goes Key singing a song
    It’s been around as long as Elton John
    But the records cracked and broken
    Offering the country a worn out political token.
    With a hiss and roar, he started well
    But now he’s got National on the Highway to hell.
    Another man on a fall from grace
    Shame on you little boy, go hide your face.

    Comment by Bevan Berg — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 12:11 pm

  5. I do not think that Key is being dishonest.

    Rather, the refuge industry has repeated its lies so often that people blindly accept them.

    Just as original nazis convinced ordinary people that the Jews were bad, feminazis are convincing ordinary people that men are bad.

    As Goebbels once taught them, tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it.

    We need to write to Key POLITELY and RATIONALLY telling him the facts.

    Get agitated and we will convince him that the feminazis were right all along.

    Comment by Darryl — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 1:24 pm

  6. I haven’t read the speech and have only been drawn to its attention by Jim’s posting, which I will add (Jim) by quoting from what I believe to be a clumsy sentiment expressed by Mr. Key, in a recent speech on parole in parliament “for free” has taken a while to come.

    Hopefully the puff and whizz of the new kid on the block will settle for the general public, realising that he as will any politician automatically be under the fiscal constraints of our domestic violence industry.

    This is how our system is run folks. We are depenedent on protecting the causes behind domestic violence. If you haven’t figured out that this is why we discriminate against fathers, then I suggest you work your way through the logistics of gender equity against equality and then, lo and behold, figure it out!

    National for its more natural function will be far closer than Labour to such empathic policy and Mr. Key’s efforts to catch the marketing glamour from his rise to power, when the implications eventually become used and useless furniture, I am sure for his marketers will be a blessing by zero significance. That’s if the cynical view should hold its merit at the end of this building chapter on NZ domestic violence and Jim and Bevan’s words are put into effect as justifiable challenge.

    Jim is prepared although I am sadly uncertain how ready Bevan is to commit his extraordinary skills to the effect of justiciable conclusions if the objective principles behind “our” arguements are found to be sound.

    The point is that it is time to stop griping and be prepared to take the natural challenge from its existing platform to the next level. For that to occur we need loyal and reliable individuals who are prepared to stand in disciplined, common and (as would be determined) justiciably fair ground to stem the tide of the overriding oppression.

    To unite, while the details of the speech will be important and I don’t have the resource or time today ($35 per week on which to live) CYFSWatch and a coalition of fathers should focus their attention directly on the negotiations between the Greens and National on the wording of s.59’s repeal which is happening today. If there is the tiniest suggestion that the state is still determining its way into every household to override parenting power in order to maintain its exlpoitations of domestic violence: there will be adequate reason for concern.

    If concern should be advanced democratically through the elections then it will be necessary to bust open this myth that discriminations against men in a society that outwardly champions no discrimination on the basis of sex and pull down a few of the pillars of corruptable power.

    For those more up to play on the legalities of discrimination, where those opposing the legal views being submittted on human rights are using improper democratic processes to protect against such argument, this message is to question: “At what stage will the corrupt reconcile to truth behind the term of check mate?”.

    However, if the cynical is not necessary we will get WINZ clients, broken dads at the bottom of the economic heap, cleaned up a bit and back to some kind of reasonable function.

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 1:41 pm

  7. The only way Politicians will change their views on the matrix of Family Law is when they know that it will cost them votes.

    That is going to require well organised and well exectuted Direct Action building upto the 2008 election crescendo.

    But to achieve that requires a strategic direction and capability to be developed in the next 14 months and a realisation that Labour and National cannot deliver the required change.

    To suggest otherwise is pure political naievity and flies in the face the reality that it is Lational and Nabour (supported by others under MMP) who have created the beast.

    Votes is what its all about – he who controls the ballot box rules.



    Comment by Scrap_the_CSA — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 2:37 pm

  8. based on that irt is much better to be in a third world country where at least The kids are able to have a family there which would not so easily controlled by courtsa/ legislations.

    Comment by starr — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 4:14 pm

  9. I’ve been witness to a female abuser on a man. She lived in a flat neighbouring the rear of mine in a fairly close housing development. She would start out with a high-pitched continuous assault of words and work herself into a delirium. The language was so offensive I don’t care to repeat it, but the theme was always a questioning of his manhood. Then the slapping would begin. The guy just sat there and took it half the time, the other half of the time fending off the blows with an outstretched forearm. Sometimes I’d see him wandering the neighbourhood afterwards, eyes downward and a blank look on his face. I have no idea what set this women off – but she was awful to see and listen to. Neither I nor any of the other neighbours interfered for fear of her turning on us.

    For the life of me, I have no idea why the media is silent on this issue, nor what could possibly be gained by down-playing it.

    Comment by jt — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 6:03 pm

  10. James-N,
    According to Greg, a host on DADS on the AIR sydney John Howard is about to pay the price of his lies re **Equal** Parenting and other good FAMILY initiatives he had promised which have not happened

    With any luck some Kiwi’s will learn some lessons from accross the ditch

    The interveiw is on HandsOnEqualParent-NEWS

    Onward – Another Jim

    Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 7:56 pm

  11. John Flanagahn,

    Long time Cs and Family Court reformer has kept me up to date on aussie Jim.

    Agree : With any luck some Kiwi’s will learn some lessons from accross the ditch



    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Wed 18th April 2007 @ 11:21 pm

  12. Says jt –
    “Neither I nor any of the other neighbours interfered for fear of her turning on us.

    For the life of me, I have no idea why the media is silent on this issue, nor what could possibly be gained by down-playing it.”

    Holy shit jt.
    I’m appalled at your lack of clarity and courage.
    You ask why a female abuser doesn’t become a news item when you and your neighbors are so silent about a man being abused that you in effect collude with his abuser and keep the whole thing under wraps.
    A dirty secret lurking in the shadows.

    Not only that, but the sort of spinelessness whereby gutless onlookers daren’t report a female perpetrator only adds to the environment where women can with inpunity hold nz men in thrall.

    As my Grandfather used to say –
    “You made your bed, now you’ll have to lie on it”.

    In other words methinks you’d better hope now that some nz woman doesn’t take a dislike to you now.
    For if your neighbors are like you, she might do a great deal more than scream and slap. Heck yes, slapping and screaming might just be the precusor to much more sinister grissly stuff!
    It’d be a terrible shame if this woman~ abuser ups the ante and say takes a knife to this poor sod who your letting down badly.
    For Goodness sake be a good neighbor, pick up the phone a do both the guy and her a favour – dob her in.

    Comment by Stephen — Thu 19th April 2007 @ 1:34 am

  13. I’m appalled at your lack of clarity and courage.

    So am I now.
    At the time – 7 years ago – I saw her as one of those frightful women that some men have the bad luck to end up with. The whole idea of abuse and police didn’t occur to me – or any of the neighbours either. That said, now that I’ve seen it and know what it is, I would deal with it differently. Maybe if the media stopped pretending it didn’t exist, others would recognize it sooner .

    Comment by jt — Thu 19th April 2007 @ 9:38 am

  14. There are many more forms of ABUSE that the closest of friends would rarely pick up

    Many a charming Women and for that matter Man is ABUSING someone subtly

    It is all to often more destructive than hitting – scratching – shooting etc

    Is the stealing of my sperm not DV-ABUSE?

    Is the stealing of my Son not DV-ABUSE?

    Is the stealing of the FATHERING 1/2 of Govt-Parenting Money not DV-ABUSE?

    Is the theft of so Child Support so that Mother has all the financial say DV-ABUSE

    Is Govt support of these ABUSES not ABUSE?

    Onward – Jim

    Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Thu 19th April 2007 @ 10:03 am

  15. Subject: NZ – Attn John Key – Steve Maharey – OH YEH? – The Government is developing a new policy for the way it works with the community service sector.

    MP – NZ – John Key – E/Helensville – National – Leader of the Opposition

    MP – NZ – Hon Steve Maharey

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    Further comments below, but first YOUR commitments to the common Kiwi


    The Government is developing a new policy for the way it works with the community service sector.
    The minister responsible, Steve Maharey, says the policy aims to build stronger relations between the state and non-government groups.
    Mr. Maharey signaled the development in a speech to a Salvation Army conference in Christchurch on Wednesday.
    It followed an address by National Party leader John Key who told the same conference on Tuesday he wanted to turbo-charge community organisations.
    Mr. Maharey says the Government will announce details of the policy, called Families Young and Old, in the Budget in May.
    Copyright © 2007 Radio New Zealand
    I Jim bailey worked PART time+ in the Men and their FAMILIES area from mid1995 until mid 2000.
    I Jim Bailey have worked FULL Time+ when well enough in the Men and their FAMILIES area since mid 2000.
    Having been part of many Organisations and held several senior posts I have seen BOTH your Governments tout this concept before
    BOTH of you know me and my work well if you have bothered to read my letters and E-mails.
    I have tried on numerous occasions to either get or help get funding for many GOOD projects BUT have NEVER received any accept the odd token from Govt or one of your so called NGO’s
    I have to assume it’s because I/We see things very differently to Lational/Nabour
    Are these claims you BOTH claim further SPIN Doctored lies to gain votes while deceiving the SHEEPLES of NZ and growing the 300,000+ some say 400,000+ Kids that your Governments have separated from their own DADs and torn good Men-Tors from their Schools and Sports fields
    Your assurances please that your claims are **Equality** based
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    Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Thu 19th April 2007 @ 11:15 am

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