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The March on Section 59.

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 1:54 pm Sun 18th March 2007

Even at 80 — 90 percent opinion is no defence to subjugation, you actually have to fight, not for freedom, but for that part of freedom you are not willing to sacrifice.

Will nzers takes to the streets or have they been snzers (snoozers) for too long.

From Saturdays Herald, it looks like Bob McCoskrie from family first and other like minded people are about to wake the sleeping giant. I see a date for a nationwide march of 28th March being proposed.

Maybe parliamentary services will provide a big screen in house so MP’s can watch the public march in centres all over NZ, while they debate how they intend to ignore us.


  1. Cool, I have been thinking along these lines myself. I certainly hope NZ’ders make a good demonstartion by joining in too.

    Comment by wendy — Sun 18th March 2007 @ 3:46 pm

  2. Hi Wendy – I hope you will at the March that will be happening in Christchurch, details shortly, as enough is enough .
    In solidarity – 4 the kids – I hope everybody in kiwiland decides to protest ?

    Emma Holmes wrote:

    Thank you for contacting me regarding Sue Bradford’s Member’s Bill proposing the repeal of Section 59. I have voted against the bill in previous stages and over 40 of my National Party colleagues have done the same. I will be continuing to vote this way, and will continue to make media comments against the bill. I am more constant on this issue than Helen Clark, who said prior to the election that she would not support such a bill.

    A lot of people have spoken to me in recent months about this issue. I’ve heard from many who are worried they’ll be criminalised for being ordinary parents , and giving the odd light smack.

    I’ve also heard from people who support the bill and think that no one should be able to hide behind Section 59 and get away with assaults on children. What people who support the Bill hope is that by changing the law we will send a message to all New Zealanders that child abuse is not acceptable.

    I agree that a message needs to be sent. Child abuse is not acceptable. However , I do not believe the bill to repeal Section 59 will change anything for the children growing up in violent families. Nor do I see any good in criminalising good , ordinary , parents doing their best.

    My colleague Chester Borrows is proposing an amendment to the bill. It is intended to be a sensible compromise, and I attach a copy for your information. The proposed amendments limit rather than abolish the use of reasonable force in disciplining children so , for example , the use of implements would be outlawed.

    You will be aware that the debate on this bill has been extended due to the excellent work done in the House by my colleagues. This means the pressure can, and should, continue on the MPs who are working with the Greens in forcing this issue — specifically the Labour Party and Maori Party. Within the National Party several MPs have been given permission to vote for the bill. They have not taken this move lightly, and it has been the subject of much discussion within our caucus, but allowing people to follow their wishes on such votes is a long standing precedent within the Party. The Labour Party is not allowing such a process, and is forcing those MPs who do not agree with the bill to vote for it. The Maori Party has also come out for the bill, despite huge community concern. This means that Sue Bradford has the numbers to pass the bill, without any National support.

    John Key MP

    From: Peter Burns [mailto:dad4justice au]
    Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2007 11:04 a.m.
    To: handsonequalparent- news@yahoogroups .com; nzfvl@yahoogroups. com; dad4justice@; muriel@newman.; Judith Collins; John Key; Judy Turner; TV One; Tariana Turia; editorial@investiga temagazine. com; fathers4equality@ yahoogroups. com; CourtDads; dad4justice@
    Subject: Nation wide march’s for our parental rights.

    http://www.nzherald story.cfm? storyid=00019074 -4A17-15FA- 80E083027AF10130

    We must preserve the Family Unit . This Bradford Bill will sentence more people to misery , particularly children and fathers .
    Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger
    Subject: FW: PR: Borrows – Section 59 amendments explained
    Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:03:21 +1200
    From: “Emma Holmes”
    To: “Emma Holmes”

    Chester Borrows
    National Party MP

    20 February 2007

    Section 59 amendments explained

    “I am seeking a sensible compromise with the amendments I intend to make to Sue Bradford’s Member’s Bill,” says National MP Chester Borrows.

    “The full National Party caucus supports my amendments, should the bill get to the committee stages.

    “I regard my amendments as a commonsense compromise and hope that other MPs in Parliament see the sense in what I am proposing.

    “Essentially, my bill alters what constitutes ‘reasonable force’.

    “I do not want to see parents and guardians using the law to get away with committing serious assaults on children, so some amendment to the Crimes Act is desirable.

    “But I believe that simply repealing section 59 is problematic in that it would leave the decision about whether to prosecute in the hands of the police.

    “Parliamentarians make the laws of this land and they should spell out clearly what the law is. Leaving interpretation over to the police is unfair on both the public and the police.

    “Parents should have some limited protections in law, rather than leaving it to the authorities to interpret. So my amendments would seek to limit rather than abolish the use of reasonable force in disciplining children so, for example, the use of implements would be outlawed.”


    Inquiries: Chester Borrows 021 722 636

    Attached: Supplementary Order Paper

    Comment by dad4justice — Sun 18th March 2007 @ 6:13 pm

  3. This from a mate;


    Against Anti Smacking Bill


    Then do something about it BEFORE it’s too late!

    Join us in a PEACEFUL protest

    Wednesday 28th March 2007

    Beginning at Civic Square at 12pm then

    advancing to Parliament

    *This march will be peaceful, and children will be present. If anyone turns violent, we will be helping the police cart you off to jail.”

    4 the kids – in solidarity – d4j

    Comment by dad4justice — Mon 19th March 2007 @ 11:13 am

  4. Chester Burrows wrote “Parliamentarians make the laws of this land and they should spell out clearly what the law is. Leaving interpretation over to the police is unfair on both the public and the police.

    With all due respect, it is the lawyer-judges who interpret the law and therefor they make the law, not the representatives.

    Unless the law is crystal clear and codified, the lawyers will cost the tax payer much more family adversary and grief and further wasted millions$$. without codified law, all you can ever have is modified law

    Comment by David — Mon 19th March 2007 @ 11:25 am

  5. The highest court of the land is parliament and we need to get into them to change the law , dv act , child support mess, family law , etc…etc….the list is endless , ministry of men’s affairs madam speaker -lol.This government must come down , for the sake of the children and parents .

    Comment by dad4justice — Mon 19th March 2007 @ 11:44 am

  6. Great to see 80 percent of kiwis huh if we get half them to march what a spectical that would be. come on Sue And Hellen what you ganna do then. lets do it we owe it to our families and our future families.This could be the thing to make the Govenment take notice and use referendum perhaps. See you all there at the march.

    Comment by Dave Ll — Mon 19th March 2007 @ 11:09 pm

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