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Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 11:02 am Sun 14th December 2008

I have previously warned that anti-terror legislation now allows the NZ government to spy on and to repress political movements it doesn’t like. The Clark government was happy for people to think the so-called “Tuhoi raids” were about Maori activists, because this obscured the fact that the legislation allowing those raids removed every citizen’s rights big time and allowed police and security services almost unlimited power to spy on anyone they wish to and to terrorize them with military uniforms and weapons. More pakeha than Maori were targetted in the operation that included the Tuhoi raids. Today’s Sunday Star Times article stands as a warning to us all, both about potential spies in any political movement that the government might feel uncomfortable about, and about the importance of moderating our comments and avoiding threats of violence or subversion.


  1. And, Yesterdays NZ Herald reported “Demonstrations by the Fathers Union” outside John Key’s house. UoF”s policy for members is “No Demonstrations” other likely candidates have denied involvement.

    While demonstrations are a tool, it is one to be used with care.

    Comment by Alastair — Sun 14th December 2008 @ 11:32 am

  2. In England the local councils are using “terrorist legislation” to check up on everything including what you put in your bins, and in the recent Icelandic Bank crash, the government used the same legislation. In Europe there are higher courts than the national court, but in a small country like NZ, the government will do as it pleases

    Comment by perseus — Sun 14th December 2008 @ 11:39 am

  3. What the fathers movement needs are a right wing government, some martyrs and some heroes like Jolly Stanesby in England ! Men will always have problems forming “emotional bonds” and helping each other, it just isn’t going to happen. We need to elicit sympathy and encourage men by having a hero. Our number must be quite large by now, we have all been abused by the state AND LEFT TO ROT. All this overrules our traditional political allegiances, well it does for me. If some political party started to realise this, we could maybe change things

    Comment by perseus — Sun 14th December 2008 @ 12:15 pm

  4. Poster #3 (Perseus): Well of course the Republic of NZ party did realise this, but perhaps the low level of support forthcoming from the men’s movement was due to the difficulty men have working together, as you mention.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Sun 14th December 2008 @ 12:24 pm

  5. Regarding my comment about martyrs, if the government ever imprisoned a fathers group member after spying on them, it could be the best thing that ever happened to the mens movement in New Zealand !

    Spying on Greenpeace in NZ ! After Rainbow Warrior too, the NZ spies are almost as bad as the French

    Comment by perseus — Sun 14th December 2008 @ 2:02 pm

  6. Note Judith Collins comments.

    …….” I think most New Zealanders would find it reassuring that the police are out there keeping a watch on the whole community”……

    Big Sister is watching you!

    This type of policing is repugnet to a “liberal democracy” and an attck on the rights and freedoms of every New Zealander.

    Your spot on Hans.



    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Sun 14th December 2008 @ 4:50 pm

  7. Police have spent millions spying on d4j.

    Comment by dad4justice — Sun 14th December 2008 @ 7:19 pm

  8. Well, my work is done here, i will spill the beans and say i have been an active agent in espionage for the other side for a good year or two now, i have not been able to infiltrate the right government department, but my work shall continue with the support of many other agents in the field, the government conducts a strong code of silence against non-custodial parents to which many children continue to suffer. There will come a day to when the volunteers to the revolution will have their day in the sun, if not too soon. When the truth is found to be lies, WE SHALL ALL SEE DOVES FLY.

    Comment by LSD — Mon 15th December 2008 @ 2:22 pm


    In USA fathers have been granted the possibility of rights to collect damages for “Intentional Infliction of Emotional Stress” by Parental Alienation. Now THAT IS a breakthrough !


    Comment by perseus — Tue 16th December 2008 @ 10:41 am

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