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Rape – radio talkback on the Layton Smith show

Filed under: General,Law & Courts — Julie @ 11:18 am Thu 1st May 2008

I drove half way to work this morning when I heard a talk back issue on the National Radio Station about rape and the new laws where when a woman drinks she is raped. There will be no consideration for the man. None what so ever. Not one thing he says will be relevant. It is the new law. And very specific.

I did a U turn and came home. Phoned the National radio station and now they will be phoning me back after the 11am news because I will be speaking for some time. Layton is passionate about this.

I was shaking holding the phone. This is the first time I have been on radio and I am collecting my thoughts. I hope my voice comes over calm and not nervous.

I know so much about this because of men’s sites like this and from finding out how NZ works as was recommended by an overseas man. I have already had my arguments with the new National Rape collective. Not one man on the board. Not one men’s group is having a say.

Australian Law Society kicked up a stink over this last year.

Wish me luck or add something I should say or try and be a part of the talk back. Our country is a sleep to what is going on.


  1. Julie,
    In the recent Auckland Rape trial for a prominent League player his defence successfully used the “EFTPOS Defence”. If she was sober enough to keep buying her round of drinks then she was sober enough to object to sexual violation. This woman tried to claim she had been taken advantage of but yet still managed to have the ability to remeber her pin and keep the drinks flowing.

    Also an item on Stuff this morning from the States is sobering.
    Not only does it indicate a problem with USA Justice (and all judical systems) but it also is an example of a man suffering for a matter he was innocent of.
    DNA frees Texas man imprisoned for 27 years
    A man walked out of a Dallas court on Tuesday after DNA testing overturned his conviction over 27 years ago for the murder and rape of his girlfriend, local media reported.

    James Woodward, 55, spent more time in prison than any other wrongfully convicted inmate in US history who was subsequently freed by DNA testing, local media reported.

    He was also the eighteenth person freed in Dallas County based on a post-conviction DNA analysis, according to the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal centre that specializes in righting grave miscarriages of justice.

    That is more than any other US county, highlighting problems in the local justice system that include what critics have said is a history of racism and racial profiling.

    Woodward is a black male – the typical profile of those wrongfully sent to prison in Dallas and elsewhere in the United States.

    “We’ve reached a tipping point on wrongful convictions in Texas. Nobody can seriously doubt that there’s a problem,” the Innocence project quoted Texas State Sen. Rodney Ellis as saying on Tuesday.

    Ellis said on Tuesday a summit would be held in the state capitol of Austin on May 8 to determine the causes of wrongful convictions in Texas and identify reforms that can prevent them.

    Comment by allan Harvey — Thu 1st May 2008 @ 12:10 pm

  2. Thanx for this Allan. I did not do too well yesterday on this but I get another shot today. I needed to learn to stick to the subject. lol

    Comment by julie — Fri 2nd May 2008 @ 10:39 am

  3. Again, great work Julie. Its great to hear you are on the front foot on this issue. Keep up the good work, and keep fighting the good fight.

    Comment by tonyf — Mon 5th May 2008 @ 11:26 am

  4. Hi, I have just recently applied to become a member of MENZ & this will be my first comment posted so please bear with me if i make mistakes. I wanted to join because my Brother was recently convicted & sent to jail on FALSE sexual abuse charges & I felt that my family & I were in great need of support & guidance on what to do next. Thanks to the Menz group, we now have hope & determination to stand up & fight against such a f—ed up system that allows innocent people to go to jail on one persons say so & no evidence to back up their claims! Anyway just wanted to say Good luck with your talk & wish I could have heard it. kasey

    Comment by kasey — Thu 22nd May 2008 @ 3:45 pm

  5. Its a tradgedy when men spend years in prison for murders and rapes they haven’t committed. However when a woman is murdered she has not given false testimony or set someone up. It is the fault of the police and courts and perhaps faulty witnesses. These tradgedies should not be used to promote the myth that women deliberately make false claims of abuse. The only women who would do that would be one with a mental disorder. I wonder why it is that women hardly commit any crime at all compared to men yet you guys think they are all marching into police stations to make false claims.Look at the yearly body count of women killed by men and compare it to men killed by women. Sorry guys you talk a load of rubbish and if you really believe it then you need to do a course in critical rather than defensive thinking. Look at the facts.

    Comment by Shawn — Tue 13th January 2009 @ 12:33 pm

  6. Poster #5 (Shawn): Telling us the facts huh? Like the claim that only women with mental disorders make false claims of abuse. Even though every other week we hear of women being charged for making false complaints. Check out this story from just a few days ago: It’s about a woman who made false claims of rape to stop her boyfriend from learning that her late night out involved infidelity with another man. She may not have been a very good liar but her behaviour was due to dishonesty, not mental disorder. Many false accusations are made as cover-ups. Others for revenge, others for profit, others for advantage in Family Court child or property disputes.

    And what of the poster’s other “facts”? That women commit hardly any crime? Get real! There may be a difference between genders in criminality but that doesn’t mean women don’t commit a lot of crime too. Partner murder by women in NZ is more than one quarter that by men, and research shows a similar proportion pertains to treated injuries from domestic violence. And international criminological research shows that female crime rates are steadily approaching that for males. Remember also that in organised crime there are always women quite happy to benefit from the proceeds of the men’s wrongdoing.

    It is however true that women are less likely to be charged and convicted for crimes they do commit, that their offending is more likely to be attributed to mental health problems rather than simply to bad and selfish behaviour, and that their sentences are much more lenient than those meted out to men.

    I would recommend the poster takes some of his/her own medicine and undertakes a course in critical thinking, perhaps after he/she gets the facts right first.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Wed 14th January 2009 @ 1:43 pm

  7. Maori
    What about the Mori Hori and there rights to been indigenous in New Zealand.If the Maori come from another island of nationality and have made a word for there nationality or have taken the Mori Hori nationality and made the word Maori for there nationality.What is the world law of been a indigenous nationality.
    Also Mori is very close to Maori[1 differt letter].The facts have to be taken into account by the government before the treaty of waitangy was signed.Also why are Maori Tribes not sueing other Tribes for injustices before the Treaty of Waitangy was Signed.
    Thanks Gary

    Comment by Gary Taplin — Tue 20th April 2010 @ 10:41 am

  8. Shawn @ #5
    I used to think like you until I had several personal experiences of women’s abusiveness.
    That’s abuse done to me and to other men I’ve known well.
    I agree with Hans’ analysis. Except I’d question his figures on female upon male abuse as being too low.
    That’s because I think in our current feminist zeitgeist of men are shit, women are angels many men wouldn’t come forward to admit they’d been victimized by the women in their lives. There’s dented male pride in doing so also. And often they rightly sense they wouldn’t be believed or worse still may even be further victimized by the powers that be turning things around and wrongly punishing them as though they were the ones dishing out the abuse, not their womenfolk.
    I think you’ve also overlooked the fact that several men each year feel so devastated at being alienated from their kids having been falsely accused by their girlfriends / spouses of abusing them that they kill themselves.
    Isn’t torturing a man psychologically by false accusations and driving him to suicide a form of murder?
    Of course it has to be proved that the false accusation was deliberately done to induce suicide, but you can see it’s a form of female abuse that isn’t widely acknowledged yet?
    You say that it’s a myth that women deliberately make false claims of abuse.
    I have to vehemently disagree with that. A mountain of evidence both anecdotal and social science research now exists to overwhelm that shibboleth. I think you’re extremely naive about that point and encourage you to talk to more men and read more widely in the area of Men’s rights to get up to speed there.
    So I think the picture you paint is scewed and far from complete.
    However welcome to posting at MENZ.
    Please keep coming back.
    I’m sure you’ll continue to be enlightened about half the population in doing so. And goodness knows we beleaguered men struggling to re-educate folks to replace NZs entrenched misandry with humanist male sensitive culture sure need folks to understand men more.

    Comment by Skeptik — Tue 20th April 2010 @ 9:06 pm

  9. Weren’t the figures last year, 12 men and 13 women killed?

    Comment by Scott B — Wed 21st April 2010 @ 2:02 pm

  10. Erm, Are you on the correct website. Gary ? Is english your mother tongue ?

    Comment by Kiwi in Thailand — Wed 21st April 2010 @ 4:05 pm

  11. Morning Layton. About women in the front line. I have worked with female officers and Soldiers that have the ability to serve on the front line. Their ability to fire a weapon and hit their target was exceptional. yes they have different biological make up and are prone to the hormonal changes. However I ask the Question what makes a good soldier?

    Most young men that join the Armed services have a preconceived idea about what it is all about (To be a Rambo) and to be honest there would be about 40% of them leave because of the discipline or they find that their fitness level is not where they thought it was. the other factor is they are not out every day firing a weapon. on the other hand Female soldiers join for a totally different reason and that reason is self motivation. I Believe this to be the main difference between a good soldier and a great soldier.

    joining the Army Services and becoming very good at your job takes Discipline, attitude and the need to succeed. I found that the female contingent had all of this in abundance. Yes there are times when to have a female Soldier or a Female Officer on the front line will have adverse problems but I heard you say this morning that the male contingent would feel like they have to look after them if they get wounded or are in some sort of personal danger such as having to be escorted by two soldiers. Layton this is not unusual it is the norm we all look after each other male or female.

    So in conclusion Layton I believe that women have a huge amount to offer the soldiers on the front line and if the reason they are not allowed or shouldn’t be there is because they are female I suggest we tell the people that we are fighting.

    Comment by Dave smith — Thu 29th September 2011 @ 10:10 am

  12. Dave Smith (#11): So why do you think it has only been men who have died in active service on behalf of NZ? And the proportion of men who have died in active service on behalf of USA and other countries far exceeds the male:female ratio in those forces?

    Comment by Hans Laven — Fri 30th September 2011 @ 7:51 am

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