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Stand Up For Real Justice

Filed under: General — blamemenforall @ 11:49 am Sun 20th July 2008

I heard that the NZ Republicans are carrying out a demonstration next Saturday 26 July where they will publicly burn copies of protection orders to highlight the injustice inherent in our Domestic Violence Legislation.

This legislation causes men to lose normal rights, and children to lose contact with their fathers, on the basis of uncorroborated, unproven allegations of “violence” defined so broadly as to cover almost any behaviour commonly shown in situations of conflict. The current orders automatically prevent fathers from having contact with their children, regardless of any realistic risk those fathers might present to the children. The fathers are treated as guilty until they can convince the Family Court that they are innocent, in many cases impossible because for many judges it only takes a woman to claim she is “frightened” for protection orders to be maintained.

If the children are lucky they get to see their dad once a fortnight for about 90 minutes in a demeaning supervised context such as Barnados, paid for by fathers who often have great difficulty finding the money after “child” (read spousal) support. We have now heard from many men who have spent time in prison for such heinous crimes as waving to their children or otherwise briefly greeting them when they coincidently see them in town. We are now facing the almost certain introduction of on-the-spot police protection orders that will see men thrown out of their homes on to the street, and you can bet those orders will be used as evidence to justify permanent protection orders.

I would encourage all men who can make it to copy a protection order, preferably a larger A3 copy, to come to the demonstration and ceremoniously burn it. Or just write “Protection Order” in large print on a blank piece of paper (with appropriate adjectives suitable for television news) and burn that. Please remember to remove all names and identifying details from any copies of real orders so you won’t get into strife for breaching Family Court secrecy laws.

The demonstration will be at Garden Place in the middle of the Hamilton CBD, at 11:00am next Saturday. The more people who come, the more likely the issues will get some media attention.


  1. what a great idea,,shame we are in the south island, it’s time some one standing up for the fathers attended the weekly meetings held by police, women’s refuge and cyps to combat women making false allegations, just to even the balance

    Comment by karen — Sun 20th July 2008 @ 12:41 pm

  2. Hi guys, i am with you every step of the way but at the same time i feel the police, womans refuge and cypfs make allegations just as much as anyone else and the allegations they have made have ruined peoples lives

    Comment by Hadi Akbari — Sun 20th July 2008 @ 3:52 pm

  3. some women are liars, the song remains the same, take heed, peace all – to the righteous…

    Comment by bull en a china shop — Sun 20th July 2008 @ 5:18 pm

  4. NZLaw and NZSocial Policy is designed to destroy the Family in order for the Govt of the day to gain more control over it citizens – Us Fellas – The strengthening of the so called Domestic Violence Legislations will tweek it even more – Go the Republicans – They are onto-it

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Mon 21st July 2008 @ 8:17 am

  5. Agree with everyone. Last month, at my sons request, I instructed my lawyer to proceed with Variation of Shared Cared to increase my time with him to about 60%.

    Lo & Behold, in the opening paragraph of ex’s Defense Affadavit, she states I have been verbally abusing her over the bloody telephone! What great grounds for a Protection Order to stop my loving son & I from seeing each other.

    I swear the only time I berated her was after she reduced my 8 year old boy to tears when she told him her partner was going to have to shoot his beloved pet cat after it peed in their house.

    Yes I called her a heartless bitch….and that is apparently the grounds for a Protection Order. God help us all.

    Comment by Morris — Mon 21st July 2008 @ 10:25 am

  6. I hate to see the unnecessary pain and suffering, that so easily occurs when people take the familycaught seriously.

    The sharpest and cruelest pain, is when you have been betrayed, by someone that you placed your trust in.

    Listen and be wise. Look before you leap. Would you trust a real estate agent’s word, when they have a financial interest?

    Similarly, why would you trust what a legal worker or “judge” tells you about familycaught operation? Find out what their customers tell you.

    Surely, the public’s experience in thousands of “hearings”, through the last 28 years must be seeping slowly into the public’s consciousness?

    To protect your life and your ability to care for your children, don’t be informed by flash trash TV shows.

    Listen to your mother’s, father’s, sister’s, brother’s, cousin’s experiences.

    Make sure that you learn from them and don’t get done like a dog’s dinner, the same way that some of them have.

    I don’t enjoy making this observation. It has taken me far too long, to be able to face the everyday truth, that has been in my face, for so many years. I have found it very painful, to have to face up to this everyday, practical reality.

    It is only when we face reality and accept responsibility for the real world, as it truly is, that we can make the best of being alive.

    Remember these issues. Search out information about what each political party is really offering your family. Discuss these issues with friends. Discuss your family aspirations with the politicians. Find out whether they do deliver what they talk about?

    Are any of the politicians willing and able to face the real nature of what happens in NZ caughts?

    Vote according to the kind of world that you want to pass on for your children and grandchildren.

    Only gamble in familycaught, with spare money, spare children and wives that you want to lose.

    Only deal with the familycaught, in the areas where they have publicly proven their competence and success and where they deliver good value for money.

    Take responsibility for the decisions that you make.

    Best regards,

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 21st July 2008 @ 12:05 pm

  7. July 21, 2008 – 1:34PM
    ROO JUSTICE – sydney morning herald

    Police say it would be almost impossible to track down the kangaroo that badly injured a 65-year-old woman on Friday afternoon in Mudgee, north-west of Sydney, and a cull is also out of the question.

    Despite a Department of Environment and Climate Change spokesman this morning admitting “there may be a dangerous animal in the area”, he said the agency responsible for deciding whether to hunt it down would be the police.

    “It’s a population of hundreds of kangaroos, so how do you propose we do that? By doing some kind of kangaroo line-up?” Mudgee Police inspector Greg Spinks said.

    “It’s not just difficult; it’s nonsensical.

    “We don’t drag kangaroos in here and charge them with assault. The moment a snake or a shark gets charged with biting someone, I’ll go out and charge that kangaroo with assault.”

    Comment by bull en a china shop — Tue 22nd July 2008 @ 1:17 am

  8. Hooray!! Sometimes in this mire of sh!t, you tend to lose sight that you are blameless and that the system as it is DOESNT work. All the while, as in my case, watching helplessly as you try to get the system to recognise your value as a positive capable father, while your child\ren are left with a mentally ill mother as their primary carer.

    Will anyone be staging one of these events on the steps of Parliment anytime soon? I would love to burn the pieces paper called a protection order that was obtained against me by my ex through her admitted lies.

    Further can anyone explain to me why a woman so “afraid” and needing a bogus protection order would stake out my home and send me text threats? Because our family court sure as hell dont give a toss.

    Good luck with this action people, sorry I cannot make the trip to Hamilton.Im in anytime someone gets a chance to stage a similar event in Wellington though!But you will all be in my thoughts, kia kaha!

    Comment by Louis — Tue 22nd July 2008 @ 6:00 pm

  9. For consideration of similar protests in Wellington, please call 04 389 2291.

    It only takes 3 people, a sign or two, a smile and a camera.

    Cheers, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 22nd July 2008 @ 6:22 pm

  10. I will happily burn my wretched protection order!
    How long do lies run in the De – Family court?
    I’m 7 year vet and fully paid up member of the false protection order respondent club!!

    Comment by dad4justice — Tue 22nd July 2008 @ 10:58 pm

  11. I see the Republicans favour mediation for family disputes so they have my vote on that alone. The legal sysem is nothing more than a process of extortion. The lawyer-judges should relinquish their role in a new justice system that focuses on justice, not tricks of law. The last thing any family needs is more lawyer-led dishonesty and adversary

    Comment by Jerry — Wed 23rd July 2008 @ 9:17 am

  12. I sure would like a protest in wellington, and have spoken to a few about organizing one. I can’t attend Hamilton as I have to be else where, but I will be think of you guys on the day.

    Comment by wendy — Wed 23rd July 2008 @ 10:39 am

  13. protection from what…..

    does that come with a condom ???

    hand out condoms on the day, that is the only protection, one needs…

    make love, not war…

    Comment by bull en a china shop — Wed 23rd July 2008 @ 11:16 am

  14. Are we burning just protection orders our ex bitch girlfriends or ex bitch wifes have taken out on us or can we burn restraining orders taken out by cypfs m-tha f-cka social workers and what about tresspass notices bushpigs have taken out on us where they are trying to stop us seeing our 17yr old?

    Comment by Hadi Akbari — Wed 23rd July 2008 @ 5:05 pm

  15. Hadi

    Come and burn any orders you wish that you see as damaging families and children. But only copies of the orders, not the original orders, to protect yourself.

    Comment by blamemenforall — Thu 24th July 2008 @ 1:20 pm

  16. We have got the justice system we deserve. Period.
    The Family Court (I was told this by a lawyer ) does not care.
    No entity in power to challenge its decisions and procedures.
    Most of un-assumed citizens think that the gov social agencies are there to protect the nation. I was one of them. If I heard that someone was supervised to see HIS children i assumed he must be very bad and nasty. Now I know the truth when the truth hit home.

    My opinion on this is that the agencies are means used to instill fear in the society.

    Dva breeds and creates violence. We are just seeing the first harvest. Just wait.

    Blame no women, lawyers or juges. They are themselves the victim of DVA.
    The definition of violence in DVA is a non-sense and the response to it, protection orders for life are a non-sense as well.

    Comment by tren — Fri 25th July 2008 @ 7:20 pm

  17. I have been reading the posts on this site for a couple of months and there is something missing. Few posters have written what many of us think. If we feel so bad about thet total crap that is going on within the government and all they preside over – why don’t we do something about it?

    I’m putting together a documentary. People like Scrap are trying to get people together. Murray is right behind anyone who wants to say something to the government in mass or as a singular. Whanga is offering advice to us and Jim is encouraging us to speak out.

    Politically speaking there needs to be a public display of objection. A protest of more than 1000. But this can’t be just anywhere, this needs to be in a place where the leaders of our country can look out the window and see us all. Auckland, Hamilton, Christchurch and Dunedin are our main cities but what impact does protesting in those centres bring?

    Wellington is the place we should be to let the nation know how we are all feeling. But let me ask you a question:

    You come to this site for support with your problems and answers to your questions. To come to this site you must have felt a great deal about your situation… but how bad is your situation? Do you feel strongly enough about it to make a trip to Wellington and show the members of the political hive what is wrong with this country? Your country is your home, are you going to defend your home?

    We seem to accept the government shitting all over us, but if we work hard enough and long enough sooner or later, as Whanga found out – we will win! But it takes action.

    What are we waiting for?

    A leader?

    Comment by Tigerseye — Fri 25th July 2008 @ 9:38 pm

  18. It seems that we have many would be leaders and very few supporters, who are willing to support wise initiatives.

    If we worked together, we could have strength greater than any individual. While we often work against each other, we enjoy less strength than one individual…

    Timing is also important and the present point in time, is critical, if anyone would like to have some impact onto the election.

    Cheers, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 25th July 2008 @ 9:56 pm

  19. Hi Murray,

    Perhaps there needs to be some sort of board. A collection of leaders willing to be part of a team. A supportive leg of the Republican ideal.


    Comment by Tigerseye — Fri 25th July 2008 @ 10:23 pm

  20. Your on to a good thing Tigerseye, there is enough of us to stand outside parliament with large photos of our children and hunger strike until something is done about our countries justice system, you will be surprised about how these mp’s will react, i was just reading how majority of our cypfs social workers have less than 2yrs experience and that comes from Roger Sowry himself

    Comment by Hadi Akbari — Sat 26th July 2008 @ 3:40 pm

  21. Hadi,
    Didn’t help Hickman in Germany

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Sat 26th July 2008 @ 3:51 pm

  22. Thanks Jim, that is absolute bullshit, they take your children and let you die, i have never heard so much shit in all my life, if i have to go home then i will go home but the war will just be starting and i have the whole of Iran behind me, i can play their game

    Comment by Hadi Akbari — Sat 26th July 2008 @ 5:42 pm

  23. We moved to New Zealand on sep 2006 for a better life but my wife got homesick, I did everything I could to help her but unfortunately she applied for protection order and Protection order served on me on Nov 2007 when I was I was working hard for protecting my family and my kids.It was an unnoticed order and nobody asked me anythings. After protection order served on me my wife continued to contacting me and going out with me and children until I decided to defend in family court, in that time she made statement in police station and police arrested me, police didn’t release me on the bail and they took me to waikeria prison, I lost my job, my home, my kids,forced to attend non violence course,paid a lot of money to lawyers without any violence but nobody cared. At the end they kept my wife and children in NZ and cancelled my NZ citizenship and forced me to leave my kids and get out of NZ. NZ is worse country in the world to be a man.My children are crying every moment and asking for their father. There is not any place on the earth like NZ. I still have the family court report, it says there was not any kind of violence in relation ship but defendant has breached the order so a protection order is necessary.I sent many letters to unicef, united nations, NZ first and MP in NZ, and at the end they told me father has not any right in NZ. Forget your children.Shame on family court in NZ.Their job is destroying families to keep their job and making money.

    Comment by Jack — Tue 30th September 2008 @ 5:10 pm

  24. Again about being a man in nz,,,our fathers and sons went off over seas to many a war so as to defend us from invaders and murders,to protect our women and children and our way of life.
    Many thousands of kiwis died for what we have to day and died they did for what they believed in freedom and what the nz government told them what needed to be done so as to save nz.
    I dont think any of these men knew that in the future after what they had done for nz, its government its women and children, that they would be able to destroy a mans life as simply as saying its time to get a new life and the dpb buy signing a piece of paper and getting a lawyer.
    Funny how the government destroys the man and then expects the same man to throw down his life for country and crown and to defend its women and children and government when the country is under threat of war or invassion.
    Funny how this government sends our fathers and sons to defend other people in other countries so as to protect other people and governments from killing them,but kills familys and fathers in nz freely and no nz army or defence force can help this man in his own country.
    So nz government kills nz men here and over seas buy either sending him to war or destroying him through courts and the IRD system, both are the same, chances are if the enemy dont get you the nz government will,thanks to all you brave men who have and will in the future go of to a war so as to defend this country, so it in turn can destroy your sons and familys and put a smile on many a womens face who do nothing for this country but reap all its government gives them,well done nz.

    Comment by Mark — Wed 1st October 2008 @ 1:57 pm

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