Thanx to Lucy for this… we have a chance!
The National Party has gone crazy putting through laws lately without anyone’s say. But… we have a chance now.
National is expected to pull back on the number of bills it will push through under urgency as it starts its second week in government.
Legislation giving police the power to issue on-the-spot protection orders for victims of domestic violence would be given a first reading then be sent to select committee this week.
C’mon guys and girls. We have to get on to this.
JohnP has a standard submission report we can all use. Let’s keep it simple and direct.
I will e-mail him for the details once again since my computer crashed last year. Unless he sees this.
Hi – can someone send me John’s submission. [email protected]. I was subjected to a malicious application for a protection order. It wasn’t nice.
Comment by Gerry — Mon 15th December 2008 @ 10:40 pm
on the spot protection orders have their benefits, a lawyer is cut out of the equation at the initial stage, no wastage of tax payers money through legal aid. (i will obtain a form to support the bill on this basis)
Comment by LSD — Mon 15th December 2008 @ 10:52 pm
Unfortunately On the spot orders are wide open to misuse. Possibly removing one party from the residence for 36 hours, may be a compromise.
Protection orders are widely wrongfully obtained. A Cooling off period, supported by a family conference could help to identify specialist supports needed e.g. A & D treatment, Budget advice, parenting. The list goes on. But the wholesale destruction of families we have now is a certain path to the destruction of an ordered society.
Julie if you can get a copy of John’s submission, please email it.
Comment by Alastair — Mon 15th December 2008 @ 11:13 pm
For REAL domestic abuse abuse they are probably a good idea. If a man calls the police, she will make something up and the cops will believe her (that is what my lovely ex did anyway). But most of these orders will be abused by women.
For the majority of false allegations used to control men, men MUST get away from the woman, only a TRULY EVIL woman makes false allegations, men must leave her asap, this is just the start of her abuse and the law will back her up ALL the way, because they want the woman to have the kids and make the man work to pay child tax and support. But it will cause “Domestic Violence”, we will see, it just creates severe bitterness for men, who are affected
Of course all us MENZ members know about these laws, the problem is the rest of Kiwi blokes, you only get to find out about how anti-male the “system” is, when it is too late. How can we educate more men ?
Comment by perseus — Tue 16th December 2008 @ 5:54 am
Dear LSD (post 2). Seeing your support for legal representation I suspect that you may be a lawyer yourself. If that’s the case then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. In practice it would work something like this. Housewife has been watching Hollywood chick flicks again. Being an emotional creature, she is moved to find her own soul mate. She feels that she needs to have some ME time. If she can get possession of the matrimonial property and custody of the children she won’t have to work again until she meets the man of her dreams. It won’t give legal workers less work. IMO they will get more as wife gets legal aid to support false accusations and husband gets sent to anger management. Meanwhile the children suffer and society goes to hell
Comment by Larry — Tue 16th December 2008 @ 8:26 am
I can just see the abusive females lining up to pull police strings if the on-the spot-protection-order regime comes to pass.
They’ll only have to turn on the tears when the cops arrive at an ‘incident’ and the police, stupidly (unconstitutionally too as there’s NO DUE PROCESS) elevated to the status of judge and jury will have all the ‘evidence’ they need to convict a man of ‘domestic violence’.
From there it will as Larry so aptly points out be a road to hell for the wrongly accused and convicted man who gets 20 weeks of periodic detention attending an anger management program, socially stigmatized, often looses kids, property and sometimes job – and Certainly looses mental health.
LSD,
I’m afraid that with folks making the decision to support this draconian proposal of OTSPOs NZ men who are already grossly disadvantaged will only get shafted further.
Comment by Skeptik — Tue 16th December 2008 @ 11:57 am
General info on submissions here
– from that page you can download this document:
Making a Submission to a Parliamentary Select Committee [PDF 166k]
Julie is probably referring to some of my past submissions [all PDFs]:
Comment by JohnP — Tue 16th December 2008 @ 4:04 pm
Poster #2: How on earth can you support a bill that you don’t know the contents of yet?
On the spot orders may be useful but will only be fair if:
– they are seen as non-contact orders without any assumption of fault on either side;
– they are very temporary and automatically expire;
– they are unable to be presented as evidence in any Court proceedings;
– the person requesting the order is the one who moves out of the home, and the order then prevents either person from contacting the other;
– children remain in the home unless otherwise agreed by the parties.
Where true significant violence has occurred there is no need for these orders; the police can properly arrest and charge the alleged offender or the current protection order legislation can be used.
Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 16th December 2008 @ 4:32 pm
@perseus:
The only way to educate the ‘blokes’ is to encourage more women to use the system.
You teach them how getting a protection order (preferably via women’s refuge where they will get quite an ‘eduction’ about male bastards) is a win win situation for them: You get the children, the house, the car, one big bed for yourself, the money and cuddles and hugs from the children’s lawyer.
It is hard to show new zealanders that a public service is working against them.
Can’t happen in New Zealand the land of ‘we are lucky’.
Comment by tren — Wed 17th December 2008 @ 2:09 pm
Anyone interested in this topic should read Taken Into Custody by Stephen Baskerville PhD. Very highly recommended, available at amazon.com
Comment by Larry — Wed 17th December 2008 @ 7:09 pm
I can’t believe the news today
Oh, I cant close my eyes and make it go away
How long…
How long must we sing this song?
How long? how long..
Yet again ALL men appear to be heading for another case of victimization.
I speak from experience.
Fortunately the absurdity of my ex’s protection order was not heard.
But nor was the original assault that she did against my daughter and I.
It’s bad enough to have to deal with the female court (family caught), but to have police becoming judge and jury is just mindblowing.
Where do I sign up against this ?
Comment by YetAnotherAbusedMale — Thu 18th December 2008 @ 9:43 pm
Yeah we have a chance, fat chance. The incredible thing is that this bill for police protection orders passed its first reading(s) with unanimous support in parliament. That suggests there is not a single representative prepared to challenge feminst propaganda, stand up for men’s rights or able to see the real destruction caused by anti-male injustice already.
Oh well, the voters get what they deserve. There were alternatives on offer.
Comment by Hans Laven — Mon 22nd December 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Note also that National, when in opposition, lambasted the Clark government for damaging democracy with its Electoral Finance Act. National was right to do so, but is now showing blatant hypocrisy by rushing through numerous bills under urgency without select committes or any opportunity for the population to be involved. That is just as anti-democratic as anything Labour did. It does not bode well.
Throughout the election campaign National showed no sign of being aware or interested in men’s or fathers’ issues. Yet people express some vain hope that things will change in the gender war, or that National will be more receptive. Of course, it’s worth trying, but let’s be realistic. The one email, very reasonable and respectful, that I sent to National MP’s two weeks ago has not even been acknowledged.
Influence could have been achieved through the polling box, but many men chose not to support the few male-friendly policies on offer.
Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 23rd December 2008 @ 11:27 am