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Domestic Violence month has given something for males to celebrate

Filed under: Boys / Youth / Education,Domestic Violence,General,Law & Courts — Julie @ 10:59 am Sat 10th October 2009

October is Domestic Violence month and one court case alone in West Virginia, USA, has given a shimmer of hope for men in this terrible time of gender discrimination against them. A group of men and women against discrimination (MAWAD) have taken the state’s family service board to court over discrimination laws. Not only are services being biased to men and boys when it comes to domestic violence but feminists are not allowing men or women to work in these services if they don’t believe in radical feminist ideology. They are being bullied by feminists who are retraining them in falsehoods and forced to practice things they know are not true. In this day and age of information there is no reason why feminist teaching should have any say what so ever in family affairs. We don’t follow ideologies any more and consider beliefs a personal thing. They don’t belong in the public arena.

The honorable Judge Stucky handed the Family Services Board of WV a resounding defeat, often citing gender bias and lack of science to their approach, quoting “a substantial chilling effect of suppressing their members expression of speech, thoughts and ideas relative to domestic violence by depriving them even of the opportunity to obtain certified services”. This often included preconceived untruths promulgated by the falsehoods of the domestic violence “experts” within these services. It also found that services “excluded Men and adolescent males from their statutory right to safety and security free from domestic violence for no other reason than their gender”.

Here is another group who are changing the environment to a ‘man-friendly’ one, when it comes to DV.
Respect has run the Men’s Advice Line since the end of 2006. It is available in England and Wales but they don’t reject callers from Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The manager of the helpline (Ippo Panteloudakis) regularly gives presentations, speaks at conferences and give interviews on male victims of domestic violence and the work they do on the helpline.

They also recently published a booklet for male victims, which, to the best of their knowledge, is the only one of its kind in the UK. You can download it through this webpage: .

This website was re-designed recently to make it more user friendly for male victims. They also extended the opening hours of the Men’s Advice Line from 16 to 30 hours a week, have a dedicated email service attached to the helpline and people call them on a freephone number.

They speak to a lot of professionals too, who need advice and training and for that purpose they developed a toolkit for work with male victims. This will be uploaded on their website soon, meanwhile you can see the contents page here:…ning-tool.html .

The Men’s Advice Line was also accredited with the Quality Standard by The Helplines Association last year.

Sadly this group has the wonderfully sick Harriet Harman in power who wants nothing more than to follow flawed ideology.

Pupils as young as five will be taught about the evils of ‘wife beating’ and the need to form healthy relationships. The lessons are part of a controversial drive, unveiled today, to reduce violence against women and young girls. They will include teaching boys that they must not beat their partners or any other female.
Last night, critics warned that ministers are cramming the already over-stuffed National Curriculum with lessons that should be taught in the home or in the community. Others say the plan is part of the feminist agenda led by Harriet Harman in her role as Equalities Minister.
They pointed out the new classes will not cover violence against men, who are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime.
This is despite evidence showing that boys and young men are more than twice as likely to fall victim to violence, and that young women are becoming increasingly aggressive.

Just to note. New Zealand is doing this same teaching to school children. They taught this in first year teacher’s college and men felt like jumping off bridges after learning how horrible they were. This IMHO is one of the cruellest thing you could do to a child.



    Millions of ruined men, jailed by own wives or girlfriends, all deprived of children, houses, lifesavings, turned into monthly bonded laborers, even driven to suicide.
    Millions of their babies, killed before or after birth, because mothers have calculated that exploitation of their fathers or taxpayers would not bring enough money.
    Millions of bastardized children; even the most worthless woman can take children from the best father, neglect, abuse and even kill them, without punishment.
    Millions of grandparents deprived of their grandkids – Angry mother can, at whim, completely legally, deprive her child of 1/2 family as revenge against the father.
    Millions of taxpayers, incl. bachelors and gays, paying 1/2 of their taxes for single moms’ ghettoes, anti-men projects and deviancy of fatherless armies on our streets.
    Millions of war victims of feminist imperialism against Moslem countries and other traditional societies, under the pretext of terrorism, drugs or prodemocracy war.
    Millions of aging, single women lost best things in life that money they plundered can’t buy and their judges can’t order; Ultimate goal of feminist heterophobia?

    No machist dictatorship imaginable can inflict even 1% of feminist violence and social destruction. Our female ruling class & their collaborators are biggest criminals in history.

    Fight for gender equality!
    Fight, to bring feminist barbarians and their hired guns to justice, to pay for their crimes & for the blood they spilled!

    Comment by Ivan Zverkov — Sat 10th October 2009 @ 1:18 pm

  2. “It is absurd to say that one is a humanist but not a feminist. Feminism is the last evolutionary development of humanism. Feminism is humanism on its most advanced level.” ? Raine Eisler, Humanist Magazine Nov/Dec 1980, Author of Equal Rights ERA Handbook.

    “Humanism is the denial of God and the total affirmation of man. Humanism is really nothing else but Marxism.” ? Karl Marx, Economic Politigue et Philsophie

    “Education is thus a most powerful ally of Humanism, and every American public school is a school of Humanism. What can theistic Sunday-schools, meeting for an hour once a week and teaching only a fraction of the children, do to stem the tide of a five–day program of humanistic teaching.” ? Charles Francis Potter, Humanism: A New Religion

    What the Church has been for medieval man, the public school must become for democratic and rational man. GOD WOULD BE REPLACED BY THE CONCEPT OF THE PUBLIC GOOD.” ? Horace Mann, father of public education
    Harriet Harman is a sick, Satan-worshiping child-abuser. She wants your little darlings’ souls.

    Comment by SicKofNZ — Sat 10th October 2009 @ 4:22 pm

  3. Whatever!

    These are just a few things to keep the mouths shut of all innocent men who have suffered by those legal terrorist women. Nothing is gonna change.

    Men have to bear this public harassment and discrimination for ever. Women can get away with literally anything without being punished. It’s so easy for them. Even if a wife cheats a loyal husband and gets caught red handed, she still can screw her husband if she wishes to and can take revenge on her husband for catching her red handed while cheating him by taking help of the screwed up law.

    (Domestic Violence just means a provision by law for women to screw her partner’s life if she wants to)

    There are lot more good things in this world to do than getting into a relationship and screwing up your own lives guys. Don’t keep your happiness in anyone else’s hands. Good luck to all those innocent men who are looking for justice against their legal terrorist wives!

    Comment by Men At Risk — Sat 10th October 2009 @ 10:55 pm

  4. There is no need to denigrate those who don’t follow theistic religions. I am an athiest and a member of the NZ Association of Rationalists and Humanists, but I respect others’ right to make what sense of the universe that seems wise or helpful to them. Many humanists are intelligent enough to see the damage caused through feminist excesses and false propaganda. Feminism arose from frustrations similar to those that men now experience, and has achieved many positive changes such as the emancipation of women from unnecessary restrictions on their participation in business, social and political activities. Religious administrations in history can hardly claim to have ruled more fairly or successfully (in terms of population welfare) than have secular democracies.

    So, why is feminist ideology now leading to so much injustice in western societies and predictably towards social self-destruction? Perhaps it’s driven by fear in feminists that women will lose their relatively new freedoms unless they defend many of the myths (as opposed to the truths) that led to social change.

    Sadly, the current strategy of many feminists, to perpetrate lies and propaganda in order to extend repression and exploitation of men, is the most likely course to result in a loss of women’s freedoms. Western governments are becoming increasingly repressive and punitive as they struggle to deal with angry new generations largely deprived of male discipline and family authority, under the false notion that the state can take over such functions from families. Violent revolution will be the inevitable outcome, with the likelihood of fundamentalist religious government that swings society back to opposite positions of foolishness.

    If only feminists could become more honourable and honest, and social policies based on facts as far as we can ascertain them from quality research (rather than advocacy “research” designed only to support pre-existing beliefs). Then balanced policy is much more likely, fair to both genders and capable of reducing social ills. Forums such as MENZ will be crucial in bringing about such outcomes.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Sun 11th October 2009 @ 10:26 am

  5. It just gets more and more screwy and thereafter [even] logically [even] screwier…

    LAOS New Zealand

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Sun 11th October 2009 @ 10:45 am

  6. Any denigration was directed at those who conspire to force my children to believe what you also do.
    No offense was meant by this protective Father.

    Some people believe in the theory of evolution and I have no problem with that. I object to theories being taught as fact to my children by the State though.

    As a feminist might not notice the plight of MEN also a humanist might not notice the plight of believers.

    Comment by SicKofNZ — Sun 11th October 2009 @ 10:59 am

  7. “(Domestic Violence just means a provision by law for women to screw her partner’s life if she wants to)”…

    You make it sound like all women pretend to be physically abused by their partners just to get out of being held accountable…

    Honestly, what percentage of women do you think do this??? Not a lot I am sure!!

    Comment by Sympathiser — Sun 11th October 2009 @ 3:15 pm

  8. Humanism is not limited to atheism as is conditioned for the Raine Eisler quote. As I have said before:

    “Whatever laid the chicken wasn’t an egg”.

    It was a cock.

    The Eisler quote makes no sense in my view: made in the eighty’s when many drank with great thirst and comfort from a chalice of self importance.
    “It is absurd to say that one is a humanist but not a feminist. Feminism is the last evolutionary development of humanism. Feminism is humanism on its most advanced level.” ? Raine Eisler, Humanist Magazine Nov/Dec 1980, Author of Equal Rights ERA Handbook.

    LAOS New Zealand

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Sun 11th October 2009 @ 3:25 pm

  9. false claims of domestic violence are rife during divorce, in countries that have assumed shared custody of children, false claims are virtually ZERO. These disgusting laws ENCOURAGE women to terroise legally good dads. YOU CANNOT START TO BELIEVE HOW THIS EMOTIONALLY TERRORISES YOU, it is a gross gross infringemnt of a mans’ rights.
    When you are the vistim of these draconian laws, you are assumed to be guilty before having an expensive chance to defend yourself (which is ALL a charade anyway).

    Comment by maninoz — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 12:58 am

  10. What percentage of women do you think do this??? Not a lot I am sure!!
    I would like to know what you base that assumption on Sympathiser.
    While couples can, and do, seperate amicably and then work together to put a plan in place that is mutually acceptable to themselves and has their childrens welfare at the fore. These couples are not the ones you will see in Family caught.
    I think you will find that with couples involved with family caught the percentage will easily be defined as “a lot”
    Take a straw poll of all the men you know of who have been involved with the family caught, ask how many found themselves on the recieving end of false domestic violence claims

    I will be first on your list, My ex pretended to be physically abused to get her own way in caught. The fact that she was the violent one and I wasnt, was irrelevant and I was guilty until ………….. oh hang on, thats right, there is no found innocent.
    Thats guilty in family caught as I have never been charged in a district court or the likes of any violence.
    Its what brought me to a site like this

    “There are none so blind as them who will not see”

    Comment by mits — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 7:31 am

  11. I’m not sure how Benjamin’s link is related to the topic under discusssion or what point is being made by posting it. The article simply states that more female than male gays have been dismissed from US military forces.

    What may be of interest to readers is the lack of sensible analysis of these figures. The article leaves readers to conclude that the gender imbalance in military dismissals may be some kind of sexism against women. But female gays will be more likely than female straights to want to join military services, whereas the same could not be said for male gays. So the proportion of gays among female military personnel will be much higher than that for men, and it follows that the proportion of female dismissals for homosexuality will be greater.

    The issue of whether homosexual behaviour should rule out military service is another, more contentious matter.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 8:41 am

  12. I have no idea what this post from Benjamin means. Does anyone else?

    Comment by Hans Laven — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 8:42 am

  13. Hans,

    1. The quote was taken from #2 transcribed by sicKofNZ.

    2. The comment on Humanism v Atheism is an equation built from what I perceive the quotes should be seen to mean.

    3. I might as well have said “It is absurd to say that one is a feminist but not a athiest. Atheism is the last evolutionary development of feminism. Atheism is feminism on its most advanced level.”


    1. The quote was taken from #2 transcribed by sicKofNZ.

    2. The comment on Humanism v Atheism is an equation built from what I perceive the quotes should be seen to mean.

    3. I might as well have said: “It is absurd to say that one is an atheist but not a feminist. Feminism is the last evolutionary development of Atheism. Feminism is atheism on its most advanced level.”

    4. My own quote states that whatever created human life was generated from an act of impregnation which cannot have occurred by any condition other than fertilization from male to female. That states that the God to which we see as our beginning has its first equivalency as male. I used the word cock for clarity with the quote.

    5. I hope that clears up any confusion from that post.

    LAOS New Zealand

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 10:26 am

  14. The homosexuality comment to the post I posted simply identifies advance – and irrespective of the commentary of the from the article. Its relativity to the primary post is that even if there is good news from a broad ; ‘fact’ remains that the [even] screwier problems are advancing rapidly.

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 10:30 am

  15. realistically… a lot… 90%

    Comment by karanjiharr — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 1:11 pm

  16. 100% of my ex’s did. That’s a lot from my perspective.

    Comment by SicKofNZ — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 1:56 pm

  17. The murder in West Auckland where a woman shot her husband was a friend/associate of mine shooting a friend/associate. This proceeding fell on the day I was in Wellington High Court on an appeal of a Radio New Zealand broadcast complaining about the BSA changing the wording of my complaint around, where I basically said not only men are the perpetrators of domestic violence – changed to and declined – not only women are the victims of domestic violence. I didn’t find out until after the case. The decision on the waiver of security on grounds or the general public interest is reserved.

    LAOS New Zealand

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 3:12 pm

  18. Sorry to hear about the shooting being so close to home for you Benjamin. I was looking in the Herald newspaper to try and find something about it so I could write a post but didn’t come across it.

    But gosh, you are busy with your activism.

    Comment by julie — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 8:18 pm

  19. US stats from RADAR…
    One Million False Allegations of Domestic Violence Each Year, Report Finds

    Comment by gwallan — Mon 12th October 2009 @ 9:04 pm

  20. Thanks Julie,

    this is relative to the original message because while it is that we neglect to challenge the injustices we let it beat us up – kind of like being a victim of domestic violence – if you can understand what I mean… there is nothing to celebrate until we actively challenge the real oppression of man.

    Kind regards,
    LAOS New Zealand

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Tue 13th October 2009 @ 12:27 pm

  21. My name is Phillip Osborne Tomorrow at 12pm i start my one on one forced d.V program in panmure at
    mens what ever the joints called.. I have been convicted and sentenced without being able to defend myself as this order was filed in another city in which i could not afford to fly to so could not defend against the twisted facts
    against me by my exe partner. I never hit my ex nore have i been accused of hitting her.. I am disgusted i can be convicted and labeled without even appearing before the court.. I have been hounded by bailiffs, and police showing up at my home. I have been bullied and threat-ed with jail if i dont attend this program..
    My message to the Abusers re justice system is that yous may beable to force me
    to attend such a program with your threats of taking away my freedom
    but yous can not force me to take in the dribble the program providers intend on
    trying to force on me… I will not live the way the justice system is trying to force me i will live my life how i see fit… to think yous can force your ideas
    by way of threat is a joke… when will the justice system see that anyone forced to do any kind of program what so ever under threat of jail and or to get out of jail early is a total joke… dont you no that people will sit there at these waste of time programs tell the providers what they want to hear then go about
    there lifes with no change what so ever once the courses are finished… the differnce between me and alot of other guys that end up forced to do this crap is
    im being open and honest and pointing out they are a total waste of tax payers money and time… to think you can force change on someone is beyond a joke…

    Comment by Phillip — Mon 9th November 2009 @ 10:28 pm

  22. Police state now come on lets work on the taking of more rights away from the average joe on the st … good one lets remove one of the founding rights of the justice system the right to remain silent GOOD nz lets make laws around every possible thing we can think of the more people we put in the the better ..
    so it would appear … what ever happened to the cops being there to help people
    i mean like the hole focus has changed to lets see how many people we can convict and lock up… hay but im shore the justice system knows the more crims the better
    it will keep wages low as no one will employ them in any decent paying job and get enough convictions on enough people it will stop them leaving the country so the system will always have its pool of cheap labour…. in the waiting

    Comment by Phillip — Mon 9th November 2009 @ 10:37 pm

  23. Im ashamed to say i was born it this country its shore gone to the pits
    in my life time… I would leave but now being trapped in the system
    its no longer possible so im stuck living in this shit hole that my grand dad
    fought for how disappointed he would be if he was to see were this country has gone..

    Comment by Phillip — Mon 9th November 2009 @ 10:42 pm

  24. Wow the guy that is running the one on one program admitted to me he beat his wife. what the hell is going on with that… All i can say is im a better man then him as not once did i raise a had to my ex partner..
    So now im in a situation were i could be breached for not playing there silly little game by a man that has at some stage beat the crap out of his wife..
    I mean hell what is this do as i say and not as i do…
    women bashers shouldnt be allowed in such positions i find it offensive
    like im going to take the advise of a women basher YEAH RIGHT

    Comment by Phillip — Thu 12th November 2009 @ 9:43 pm

  25. I think the justice system should just stay the hell out of my life
    there interference is not wanted nore needed no good can come from it
    I honestly understand why the likes of gun men jan molder go on rampages
    being hounded bullied by the state.. I myself could not do as he did but
    i admire that the man died for his beliefs…..and goes to show that
    the state in some cases does more harm then good with its unwanted interference ..

    Comment by Phillip — Thu 12th November 2009 @ 9:48 pm

  26. I mean hell my daily life consists of cleaning the house do the gardens and running around after my kids being a solo dad … My life is centered around home and family life …… I pretty much keep to myself and do my own thing

    how much of a danger does that make me given my lifestyle …

    hardly state enemy number 1 …. but its ok gangs and serious crime are running rampant because the states to busy picking on guys like myself HUH

    Comment by phillip — Thu 12th November 2009 @ 9:54 pm

  27. Hi Phillip,

    can you brief me please on the city for the order – and any defence filed by your lawyer (if you had one) to defend the PO. Paul Catton is out your way – what support or contact do you have with others in similar circumstances?


    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Fri 13th November 2009 @ 10:11 am

  28. The order was filed in christchurch a over 12 months ago.. I had been living in auckland for just over a year while the exe has always lived in chch..
    Ive now been in auckland just over 2 years.. I got a lawyer down there
    from up here and started proceedings to defend the order but got so far
    and was told id have to fly down to chch to appear in court to defend it..
    which i could not do so i just dropped any it as I could not afford to get there… this has been going on for over 12 months now and have been unable
    to move on in my life as I live in constant fair that sooner or latter Im going to be locked up.. I am attending this one on one thing but am now under threat of being breached for not participating .As far as Im concerned I am participating by way of attending Long long story but i feel it is an unjust situation and accept i will more then likely end up jailed over this..
    at which time i intend to Die if i have to… I will go on a hunger strike
    and refuse any liquids or food till im released or Dead..
    what better reason to die then for something that you believe in so strongly ..

    Comment by Phillip — Sun 15th November 2009 @ 11:51 pm

  29. OK,

    that’s far more clear than before and your quick posts made it looked like you were under some kind of complex pressure. So chill out first as best you can realising that what you are in and have been in is early days. The pressure eases as you become more used to it – although it is early advice to realise that there will be some days that you get so wound up that you do not know what to do next. This is the thing that is quite sobering about a prison cell. You cannot do anything and just have to confront it as you can.

    You are not in a cell and you have immediate family with direct responsibilities to dependants so you are in a better place than a lot of guys. It is a prison cell of freedom. This is to say that you cannot escape your existence no matter what you do because others need you as desperately as you could be depressed.

    “I mean hell my daily life consists of cleaning the house do the gardens and running around after my kids being a solo dad…”

    Ring Paul Catton: 09) 271 3020 from East Auckland

    I will be up from January 28. I have a case to do in west Auckland and I will take yours on in a preparatory capacity. This means I will help you to refocus your situation according to your income as best as I am able in that period. In Christchurch you have Peter Burns. I do not know his number but he is [email protected]

    Cheers dude,
    Benjamin Easton
    LAOS New Zealand

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Mon 16th November 2009 @ 9:13 am

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