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In The NZ News, Week 19, 2009

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 11:29 pm Wed 6th May 2009

Two 15-year-old schoolboys commit suicide within a week of each other, and police are investigating whether text or internet bullying contributed to their deaths. Why don’t they investigate the more likely stressors leading young men to commit suicide at epidemic rates that are much higher than those for women? I would suggest they start with: feminist male-denigration that is spread deliberately by most media, low social value placed on men’s lives as they die on their jobs, are thrown out of their homes at women’s behest and are thrown into prison for waving at their children, and male-blaming and male-denigrating domestic violence campaigns that are allowed to perpetrate gender discrimination when similar discrimination based on race would never be tolerated because it would be clearly recognized as unfairly damaging most of those it targets.

A NZ naval officer with almost 20 years’ experience and numerous good conduct badges and service medals has essentially lost his job on the basis of convictions entered by court-martial. He committed the heinous crime of visiting a younger female who let him in and showed him to her bedroom, let him teach her to tie knots on her dressing gown cord whereupon he hugged her and tried to kiss her but did not persist when she declined. Yes, he was more senior and in a training position regarding her, and it was inappropriate for him to try it on. But how much harm was actually done? And can we afford to throw such experienced people on the scrap heap for such minor indiscretions? Now I would have thought that a reasonable thing for this woman to do if she didn’t want him to attempt romance with her would be to tell him so and ask him not to visit again. But no, if there’s a chance to wreck a man’s life then why not do it? The charges suggest that the age of consent is being interpreted upward (in this case 19) so that women don’t have to take any responsibility for their decisions and actions and any older man who reaches out to them romantically can be treated as a child molester. Women now almost occupy the place vis-à-vis men that white Americans used to occupy in relation to black slaves; the slaves were not to presume to interact with whites and any accusation by a white against a slave was enough evidence of guilt.

Paul Henry, host of TV1’s Breakfast show was complained about by some viewers for reading out other viewers’ comments that a Greenpeace worker, Stephanie Mills, had a moustache. When his female co-host reacted disapprovingly to his reading out the comment, he affirmed in his matter-of-fact style that there was a moustache on her and that people can say what they see. And there is no doubt that Ms Mills does sport a moustache. TVNZ upheld the complaint against Henry. Ok, so stating a clearly accurate fact about a woman’s appearance is considered unacceptable if she finds that uncomfortable. There doesn’t need to be any derogatory comment, any discriminatory stereotyping, any humiliation, any joke. It’s enough that it’s about a woman and she might not like it. On the other hand, if it’s about men TVNZ doesn’t give a damn. TVNZ sees it as quite acceptable to broadcast over and over again an “anti-violence” cake with various white men, only white men, assaulting women and children. And another production showing men, only men, causing harm to others through excessive drinking while women who drink excessively are only depicted as more vulnerable victims of men’s behaviour. So it’s ok to offend and denigrate half the population using misleading and inaccurate gender discrimination, as long as the victims of this abuse are men. But women are of a totally higher class and they must not be offended. Yeah, we’re starting to understand the rules now.

And a woman who snatched a 2-day-old baby from the maternity ward has received an easy ride in Court. The Crown isn’t seeking a jail term, the Court didn’t read out the summary of facts describing her crime, the Court has allowed name suppression and the Crown doesn’t object, and she has been granted bail throughout. The offender went to a psychiatric hospital after her offence but then was allowed to live at home with her parents. Well, that may all be quite humane and fair. But we simply would not see that kind of caring social work by the justice system for male offenders of any kind unless they are legally insane. In “The Myth of Male Power”, Warren Farrell pointed out that female offenders are much more likely than male offenders to have their behaviour attributed to circumstances, background factors or mental ill-health, and much more likely to be referred for psychiatric assessment in search of an explanation for their behaviour. The baby-snatching woman was not able to use the defence of insanity, but her offending is excused throughout the process anyway because of her claimed background problems. How many male offenders don’t have background problems that contributed to their offending? It’s time that men are shown a similar level of understanding and help in addition to any punishment, or alternatively that female offenders are treated with a similar level of retributive cruelty to what is regularly meted out to men.


  1. In my work with Males, almost inevitably there is no stable male figure if indeed even a stable family in their life.

    All they learn is survival skills, eat or be eaten.

    Comment by Alastair — Thu 7th May 2009 @ 12:05 am

  2. Time to re-visit Dr Viv Roberts work – Go

    Onward – Jim

    Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Thu 7th May 2009 @ 3:26 am

  3. I hear that Judge Boshier is rather concerned at the high number of
    male clients who suicide while in the sordid world of the NZ Family

    Comment by dad4justice — Thu 7th May 2009 @ 4:47 pm

  4. No No No Peter, You have got it wrong. As I said survival of the fittest. The rest die off.

    However I should not jest about such a serious subject.

    The other bit thoug I take issue with.

    Peter Boshier: Somewhat concerned? Now thats an oxymoron if ever I saw one!

    Comment by Alastair — Thu 7th May 2009 @ 6:06 pm

  5. I bet he’s more worried his income might shrink if there’s not enough men staying alive long enough to be fleeced by him and his mob.

    Comment by SicKoFNZ — Thu 7th May 2009 @ 8:52 pm

  6. Here’s another, this one about two teenage women murdering a pensioner in Opotiki. Funny, I didn’t see that particular beating depicted on the anti-violence cake. Here’s betting that this man, too dead to tell his side of the story, will be blamed for their actions.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Thu 7th May 2009 @ 10:03 pm

  7. Agreed with the “oxymoron” comment Alastair. Boshier is the head Ox
    who runs a court stacked with bias morons.

    The new Families Comissioner Dr Jan Pryor told a colleague that the Ox is
    looking at male suicide litigants in his moron court. I think he wants to
    increase the numbers who take the suicide is painless option.

    The Family Court of New Zealand is a disgusting cess pit of lies.

    Comment by dad4justice — Fri 8th May 2009 @ 8:50 am


    I thought that this article was progressive, they actually thought about a father’s state of mind. It was a tragic incident however

    Comment by martin swash — Fri 8th May 2009 @ 9:23 am

  9. This speaks reams about the topic.
    Love this guy’s passion!

    Comment by Target of misandry — Sat 9th May 2009 @ 1:09 pm

  10. Mother’s Day Letter sent to NZ Herald Editor today ->

    I’ve had a gutsful of the misandry.
    It’s fine to celebrate Mothers Day.
    I will too.
    But not the way your editorial encourages.
    A huge shame that all those many thousands of guys who work much more as breadwinners outside the home than thier spouses get insulted by being expected to ALSO pick up as much as the primary homekeeper at home too……. And in such smarmy holier than thou langauge too.
    Talk about flogging men to death!

    this is what particularly irked me .. Today’s main editorial….

    “So here, for the benefit of all men, is Pansy Wong’s message: “My vision sees New Zealand as a place where women are recognised for balancing their roles as mothers and workers; a place where unpaid work is shared evenly between men and women”.
    Get the message, gentlemen. Start this morning by making breakfast in bed for the mother of your children.
    And then, start thinking about the other 364 days of the year”.

    You can check it out for yourself here.

    Comment by Skeptik — Sun 10th May 2009 @ 3:53 pm

  11. Ignorant Wongs really annoy me. I worked full-time. I raised three children while I worked. I cooked, cleaned, did laundry including ironing, attended every parent/teacher evening, shopped for groceries EVERY week, shopped for the childrens’ clothes, birthday presents, xmas presents etc etc. You name it – I did it because she couldn’t be bothered most of the time.

    I recall one Summer afternoon when I was out in the sun with a pick, clearing the driveway gutter. My EX wife came out grizzling that I was outside in the beautiful weather while she was stuck inside vacuuming. I happily traded my pick for her vacuum. She asked for it back less than five minutes later.

    Ladies, take Pansy’s advice. I soon got sick of carrying her lazy arse and got rid of her. Be careful, yours might too.

    Pansy, you really annoy me. I so much want to call you an ignorant bitch but I won’t.
    If it weren’t for the disgusting anti-father, male-hating policies in this country I wouldn’ve been able to leave that wretched hag and save my children many years of abuse at the hand of a very sick woman. When the woman is the abuser the children suffer too. Where is the help for fathers and their children?

    I won custody of my children and so I’m not a bitter loser. I’m a biter winner. I’m bitter because there are other fathers and children who suffer as I did and YOU Pansy are blind to it. Yeah, moan about the damned housework! You’re a farking politician lady. Fix some REAL problems!

    Comment by SicKoFNZ — Sun 10th May 2009 @ 10:42 pm

  12. A 29 year old man received a prison sentence of 2 years and 4 months for having sexual connection with a 15 year old girl.
    He was refused name suppression
    On the same page of the daily newspaper
    A 36 year old woman was granted name suppression and was sentenced to 12 months home detention and 200 hours community work after pleading guilty to having sex with her best friend’s 15 year old son

    Comment by Rosie — Thu 14th May 2009 @ 8:19 pm

  13. I think that is called “Par for the Courts”.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Thu 14th May 2009 @ 8:44 pm


    More good news from England, a man has been told that he can claim compensation after a false rape allegation (isn’t that an elephant in the room , sort of compensation ?)

    Comment by martin swash — Fri 15th May 2009 @ 7:27 am

  15. But this is more typical, a man is trying to stop a gang of women from fighting and gets arrested

    Comment by martin swash — Fri 15th May 2009 @ 10:34 am

  16. Anyone else notice that convicted murderess and prostitute Dionne Neale, who will receive a minimum 10 years without parole, is spared the ignominy of having her photograph shown in the NZ Herald? Has anyone seen coverage of this story on any of the TV media?

    Also, looks as if we’re going to be treated to another routine child-abuse campaign with the reportage of the abuse of little Duwayne Pailegutu. It’s becoming clear that the press isn’t so much raising awareness of child-abuse, as they are raising awareness of that beast called a father. Considering the fact that most children murdered by a parent are murdered by their mothers, and that children are safest with their biological fathers, the media’s presentation of the issue is outright disinformation.

    When the news has got to the point where I can take a fairly reliable guess at what will be in next month’s edition, then it’s hardly news anymore. Still, I guess you get what you pay for, and I haven’t paid for a copy of the Herald in years.

    Comment by Rob Case — Sat 16th May 2009 @ 9:59 am

  17. Hi Martin. This link goes to a dog allegedly pulling an injured or dead dog off the motorway. Do you have a working link to the story you sought to share?

    Comment by Hans Laven — Sun 17th May 2009 @ 2:20 pm

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