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re Shaping our Radical Feminist Future

Filed under: Domestic Violence — JohnPotter @ 9:10 pm Tue 14th July 2009

I’ve just been sent a flier advertising a series of workshops about to be run throughout the country by the Hamilton Abuse Intervention Project. Anyone who knows the history of the 1995 Domestic Violence Act will have alarm bells going off at this point I’m sure. The workshops are called:

re Shaping our Future – conversations with Lundy Bancroft

The flier tells us that Bancroft “provides training to advocates, practitioners, Judges, lawyers, law enforcement officers and Corrections staff in assessing the risk to children living with a violent adult in their home.” The sessions are intended to critically review our thinking and practices around child saftey and how we might work to build stronger bonds between the non-abusive parent and their children.”

Lundy himself doesn’t bother using gender-neutral Femspeak such as “violent adult” instead of father, and “non-abusive parent” instead of mother; he spells out exactly where he is coming from:

In his book “Disorder in the Courts” Lundy has written…”our society is currently giving mothers a powerful and crazy-making mixed message. First, it says to mothers, “if your children’s father is violent or abusive to you or your children, you should leave him in order to keep your children from being exposed to his behaviour.”

But then, if the mother does leave, the society many times appears to do an abrupt about-face, and say, “Now that you are split up from your abusive partner, you must expose your children to him. Only now you must send them alone with him, without you being around anymore to keep an eye on whether they are okay.”

Bancroft has a website at, which has details of his other books, including “Why does He Do That?”, and “When Dad Hurts Mom”. He offers weekend healing retreats for people recovering from relationship abuse.

I wonder how many agencies working with men will be attending these workshops? If you want to honnob with the elite of the NZ domestic violence industry, the dates and venues are:

28th July
Parnel Trust
Jubilee Building
29th July
Tapu Te Ranga
Island Bay
31st July
Holiday Inn on Avon
3rd August
Waikato Stadium

It costs $135, but if you ask the organiser Roma Balzer nicely, she may give you one of the 25 places for M?ori advocates or the 25 places for non-M?ori. Might be best not to mention violent women, or male DV victims though.

Balzer is also the National co-ordinator for NZ Women’s Refuge. The bottom of the flier spells out their agenda in bold, red type:

“Building Partnerships, Actioning Social Change, ending Violence against Women & Children.”

Download flier here. [warning: 1.08 MB PDF]


  1. None near me, However I have done much research into the Bristol affair that lead to the DVA act.

    Just ask!

    Comment by Alastair — Tue 14th July 2009 @ 9:22 pm

  2. its a 1 sided sexist load of crap isnt it…dosent pay to b a man in this society does it…male bashing rubbish

    Comment by ford — Tue 14th July 2009 @ 9:27 pm

  3. I would be interested in a protest outside the venue in Hamilton at some stage of the day, if others made a commitment to joining me. Placards like “Male-Bashing Here”, “Gender Discrimination Workshop” and “Women Commit Violence Too” may be appropriate.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 14th July 2009 @ 9:38 pm

  4. Might be best not to mention violent women, or male DV victims though.

    Maybe best to hand out some other fliers at the end of the meeting!

    Comment by julie — Wed 15th July 2009 @ 12:24 am

  5. I would go along with you Julie. Softly softly catchee monkey. When was that meeting in Hamilton? I may just may be up there.

    Comment by Alastair — Wed 15th July 2009 @ 12:38 am

  6. It is absurdity all around. Gender neutral aint fix it.

    The problem we have is basically the Family Court and Women’s refuge are fishing for protection orders. More protection orders make them look busy and earning their bread too. This allows Women’s Refuge to get more funding from the government.

    Simple domestic disputes are turned into nightmares and sometimes tragedy for children and their parents. The Family Court and Womens’ Refuge will threaten the female (weak link) with dare consequences and stable lively rewards (family home, car and other home chattels, assured income) if she does not seek a protection order.
    In the current situation where men are loosing their jobs with the threat of selling their mortgaged home, Women’s refuge and Family Court are a smart move for women who can invent porkies (Women’s Refuge are experts ) and leave the partner, husband that they do not ‘love’ anymore.

    The question to be asked is which violence is violence?

    0) A dispute at home witnessed by children OR,

    1) When the Family Court orders the Father not to be part of the children’s life.

    2) Children made orphans when their father commits suicide because of the abuse and trauma caused by the intervention of the family court

    3) Mum killed by Father because of the intervention if the family court

    4) Children Killed by Father because of the intervention of the family Court
    5) Children handed to Cyfs to be abused when the natural careers removed

    Every cent given to Women’s Refuge is a blood cent

    Comment by tren Christchurch — Wed 15th July 2009 @ 12:23 pm

  7. Mind-boggling, feminazi crap. And this hooligan advised Judges and the rent-seeking scum that attend them? He sounds like scum too.

    So what of the abusive woman? I barely know a woman against whom one could easily show is abusive and ‘violent’ with their scorn and demenments and emotional terrorism. There are a few good women about, no doubt, and most people’s behaviour is far from ‘violent’ but a dad can be dispossessed from raising an eye-brow.

    Comment by amfortas — Thu 16th July 2009 @ 2:52 am

  8. Gosh, you are certainly a cheeky Aussie, Amfortas. I just have to tip my hat to you. (now where is that damn thing … oh, got it, soooo, tip…)

    Welcome to you neighbouring country. Can you give us some wisdom of what we should do about the DV problem in NZ?

    You were a leader in other NGOs even working with Africans. What sort of a program did you promote?

    Comment by julie — Thu 16th July 2009 @ 3:32 am

  9. Happy to drop by Jools, love. The DV problems in NZ and everywhere else can be solved with the Policy I used in the job you refered to: Truth, compassion, reality, perspective.

    We are neighbours and part of a Family of nations beset by similar infections, not least of which is the sort of rent-seeking scum in the article.

    The ‘lead’ element in the DV issue is the ‘Industry’ that is built up on lies and expropriations from private and taxpayer resources.

    I detailed these as applied to Oz in these three podcasts, which I am happy for you all to use over there as resources.

    Deliberately Lying about Domestic Violence in Australia. Pt.1.

    The ‘women’s Safety Survey’ was “uncorroborated, biased and manipulated” ‘Advocacy research’ orchestrated by the Office for the Status of Women and passed off as Bureau of Statistics report. It caused an enormous row, says MRA Amfortas. Manipulated definitions and hysterical claims copied from America made innocuous behaviour criminal. DV sells commercial products to women and expropriates public funds for the fastest growing ‘Industry in Australia.

    Deliberately Lying about Domestic Violence in Australia. Pt.2.

    Three other sources of ‘official’ data which are routinely manipulated and presented to support DV lies are analysed by Amfortas and compared to Independent University research which completely contradicts the ‘official message’.” It would be generous to think that this manipulation and bias was just the result of incompetence. But as we can see there is something far darker behind it. It is corruption. It is deliberate.”

    Deliberately Lying about DV in Australia. Pt.3. The Truth is out there — Somewhere.

    Christian J narrates how the 2006 Australian Bureau of Statistics Personal Safety Survey completely contradicted the Government’s 1996 survey. He also points to the attempts by feminist bureaucrats to manipulate by having ONLY female interviewers to bias the results. Results show women twice as safe as men. The Government has thrown a blanket of silence over it. Feminists maintain an undemocratic stranglehold, expropriating public monies for their anti-male ‘Industry’.


    Comment by amfortas — Thu 16th July 2009 @ 3:47 am

  10. Amfortas, what you wrote was the last thing I expected from a leader.

    I asked you to contribute to a solution but instead you just attacked those who are trying.

    What a shame you only know how to slash the trees in the forest but don’t know how to build for the people.

    We already have the cleared forest. We have had it for over 100 years.

    Comment by julie — Thu 16th July 2009 @ 10:26 am

  11. It costs $135, but if you ask the organiser Roma Balzer nicely, she may give you one of the 25 places for M?ori advocates or the 25 places for non-M?ori.

    Thanks JohnP for this.

    Our group has been offered 2 places.

    Comment by julie — Thu 16th July 2009 @ 10:50 am

  12. I look forward to reading about your experience of this workshop!

    Comment by JohnPotter — Thu 16th July 2009 @ 11:04 am

  13. Armfortas,
    Well done creating compiling and sharing great resources!

    I disagree with Julie’s comments about ‘attacking those who are trying’ and ‘slashing trees’.

    I reckon you are spot on to name the DV industry for what it is – filled with too many rent seekers who manipulate and hide solid research and create bogus stats to suit their corrupt agendas.
    To turn a blind eye to those folks in NZ who routinely do this and pretend that the DV industry in NZ just needs a few tweaks and ‘building up’ (whatever that’s supposed to mean’ is terribly simplistic and morally bankrupt.
    I don’t think there can be solutions to this horribly entrenched social ill which NZ is also infected with unless there exists some form of truth commission which looks at the issues with eyes wide open. That commission MUST have as it’s centre-piece input from the social group most affected – MEN.

    Comment by Skeptik — Fri 17th July 2009 @ 10:27 pm

  14. Thanks Skeptik, and I am sorry Jools if my directness upsets you.

    You know me as a fairly accomodating fellow who tries to see the different, sides and that is useful mostly. But there are times when a spade needs to be called a spade and not renamed as a ‘single person operated earth moving device’ and painted pink.

    I am pretty sure that the DV Industry in NZ is as mendacious and theiving as ours. What I am not sure of is the role of your media in spreading male hatred.

    For Skeptik’s further listening pleasure I offer another two part podcast which shows what it is like in OZ.

    Give a Dog a Bad Name. Pt.1.

    The mass media is anti-male by commercial design. Comprehensive study data shows the depth of disrespect for men. Even ‘Old-school’ feminists are appalled at the damage being done to men. The media is ‘Wrong, both factually and morally”, says MRA Amfortas. Government pays for an agitprop war on men’s reputation to frighten women. At what cost?

    Give a dog a Bad Name. Pt.2.

    Women have unconsciously adopted a habit of disrespecting men. “Men are feeling profoundly disappointed, disillusioned and disgusted” and are withdrawing their support and protection of women. Society, and women in particular, are losing a valuable resource needed for its healthy continuance. The Love of men. Is this what women want?

    Comment by amfortas — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 12:51 am

  15. Jools, you say that I ‘attack those who are trying’ but you fail to show what they are trying to do. I am making an assumption that they are trying to make matters worse rather than better as they are focused on women and children as victims and men as perpetrators.

    The same old mendacities and lies, distortions and evasions.

    I mentioned the private and public expropriations that the DV Industry levies and see this ‘event’ just one such occasion of theft. $135 to attend and the attendance will largely be from people sent by NGOs and such that get taxpayer funding. A scam.

    I took note of John’s advice when seeking to pay this extortionate sum from your own pocket, not to mention violent women or male victims. The event (I take it he thinks) is biased. The ‘elite of the NZ DV Industry will be there’. Do you really think that anything I could possibly say would contribute to a solution that doesn’t involve putting them all to the sword?

    That would be a good start.

    You cannot plant a new garden until you have cleared away the weeds.

    Comment by amfortas — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 1:12 am

  16. Locally, they are cegining to advertise Refuge awareness awareness week. Seeking money of course! Still I suppose bulldog Heather needs `her 6 didgit salary! Sorry no dates, it was in the weekly throway, and I did 🙁

    Comment by Alastair — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 1:24 am

  17. These broadcasts are excellent at exposing the massive fraud brought about by feminist “advocacy” research (read “predetermined, unscientific” research) concerning DV. It’s truly incredible how long this misandric fraud has been maintained with so little investigation or challenge. And it’s incredible that scientific research exposing the fraud has received so little publicity and an utter absence of “Sorry, we got it wrong” from the DV industry. Instead, DV industry movers and shakers including politicians generally carry on spreading the same old misinformation with little or no modification to take into account the facts as now established. For example, they called for Fathers Day to be considered a day of shame, they continue to perpetrate the myth that men become more violent after major sports events, taxpayer-funded anti DV campaigns continue to portray only men as committing violence, and campaigns like the White Ribbon campaign continue to treat male victims as unimportant even though men are much more often the victims of violence in our community.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 9:37 am

  18. But how much notice will anyone take?
    These people have about as much credibility outside of Government circles as the Global Warming con artists.
    I suggest let them have their mass debate, and ignore them, much as you would with a naughty child throwing a tantrum.
    Julie- have you sorted out a suitable tee-shirt to wear? or are you going covert?

    Comment by John Brett — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 9:55 am

  19. Starts on Monday 20th July 2009
    Annual Appeal: Helping Her See A Way Out
    Friday, 17 July 2009, 2:50 pm
    Press Release: National Collective of Independent Women’s Refuges

    Kind Regards
    Paul Catton
    East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
    (09) 271 3020

    Comment by Paul Catton — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 10:29 am

  20. All I can say is good on you guys for pointing out the flaws. It will hopefully teach a few women to be nicer to a few men and a few men to be nastier to a few women.

    I already now how this is going to go because I have already challenged all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the USA men say this and that and yeah, yeah, yeah the stats were proved misleading decades ago.

    Shame we have nothing credible for NZ. No stats …. I have been watching and there is one that is going on. In 3 years it should be out.

    Anyhow, I never dogged men’s groups or men’s work. And I am not about to start now.

    You seriously need to find women who have never seen this type of world to help destroy. I won’t be abusing anyone there. But I will say my piece.

    I think it best just to join the others trying to fix problems rather than bitch about a world that has been corrupt for so long corruption is about the only tool to fight corruption.

    Comment by julie — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 10:34 am

  21. Please feel free to download my podcasts (below) and play them on a ghetto blaster outside the venue.

    High volume recommended.


    Comment by amfortas — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 1:23 pm

  22. No Stats: no problem. The Feminists always have the ‘Ubiqui-Stat’ to fall back on. 1 in 4. That’s what they did in Australia and it worked there.

    Comment by amfortas — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 1:28 pm

  23. Amfortas, the 1 in 4 stats was also shown to be false back in the 80’s.

    I think there will be men and women there who may introduce some new stats for the men’s side.

    I personally don’t want to make enemies so early on since I am supposed to be putting my energy into International Men’s Day.

    BTW, you do a wonderful job with the Ipods and videos. They must be making an impact.

    Comment by julie — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 2:15 pm

  24. Julie,
    My Violent Females is available. Tell me what you want and I will extract it or if you have access (Pardon the Pun) to access 2000 or later I will send you the whole thing. It represents minimums. It is tip of the Ice berg material. Some of the incidents are horrific.

    Comment by Alastair — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 5:11 pm

  25. Thanks for your podcasts. Regardless of how old the femme-frauds are it’s important that we continue to hear such evidence. I’m fairly new to these types of sites and I haven’t heard much of what is spoken about in your recordings before. Again…thank you. Got some more?

    Comment by SicKofNZ — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 7:33 pm

  26. Thanks Alistair, the only problem is that i don’t have access 2000. But…

    The family violence stats accept men being killed by women. They were taken from police records. I asked if anyone was doing any research on violence from women against men (police stats) and was given a name but haven’t yet caught up with him.

    We have very little stats on men. We have very little organised.

    What we have though is tons of research stipulating the statistics men and women groups are using are not accurate. The accuracy doesn’t change the programs or fix the issues.

    Stats to build for men are on their way but it just takes time.

    Also there are programs being developed from the men’s side.


    Alistair, I think the feminists are targeting women but instead of putting them down they are trying to find ways to make them better.

    In the end it will be benefit all the men who are here and talked about online.

    But let me see what they are doing and get back to the group. I wouldn’t mind if Paul and Jim were coming also. They are very easy to discuss things with and would not make their presense look like a protest.

    Comment by julie — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 7:51 pm

  27. Oh, there is lots you can hear and see.

    You should keep up with this site.

    It keeps up to date with what is going on.

    Comment by julie — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 7:54 pm

  28. Alistair, I think the feminists are targeting women but instead of putting them down they are trying to find ways to make them better.

    You will have to explain that one to me Jooles, it quite defies it..

    Also this..

    In the end it will be benefit all the men who are here and talked about online.

    Not picking, just asking..

    Comment by Christian J. — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 8:52 pm

  29. Any Database can be daunting Julie! Access is no better and no worse than many others. I will try to make a word table in summary.

    Which Jim are you thinking of Taking, One I believe is an excellent asset

    Comment by Alastair — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 9:32 pm

  30. By the way, I did also notice he has no contact details on his web, the coward. I must admit it has saved him from reading my opinion of his lame, sexist and biased efforts..

    Comment by Christian J. — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 9:37 pm

  31. Christian,
    We had this discussion here recently. John Potter (List Owner) ruled anonymous posts were acceptable. For me the weight I give theme is my business.

    Comment by Alastair — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 9:43 pm

  32. I can’t believe my eyes. 2 Aussie greats on an NZ site. This is just fantastic.

    julie says.. Alistair, I think the feminists are targeting women but instead of putting them down they are trying to find ways to make them better.

    Cj says …You will have to explain that one to me Jooles, it quite defies it.

    Can you wait for my notes on the meeting? It would be easier to explain it then.

    Comment by julie — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 10:16 pm

  33. That would be real nice of you Alistair. Having NZ stats makes things a lot easier. We do have our own unique issues.

    About Jim.
    Yes, you know who I am talking about. He has some wonderful ideas himself including one for an awesome program.

    I better ask if he is already going.

    Comment by julie — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 10:19 pm

  34. I’ve started on the list Julie, up to 20 already. A fairly obnoxious bunch! It’s in word 2007. If you don’t have it you can get a FREE patch (Also works for Excel) from the downloads section of the microsoft website.

    It’s about time this happened Julie, thanks for enthusing me. It’s primarily a summary. It will be free to distribute. I will upload a copy to Pauls-news files area.

    Comment by Alastair — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 10:42 pm

  35. Forgot to add, Good, I believe he did an awesome job raising awareness in Mt Albert.

    Comment by Alastair — Sat 18th July 2009 @ 10:46 pm

  36. Here’s some fuel for the fire

    Comment by Skeptik — Wed 22nd July 2009 @ 10:02 am

  37. For more audio resources, for anyone with net access and broadband, the Dads on the Air weekly radio programme out of Sydney (Oz) and streamed on the internet, will be playing ALL of my podcasts over the next few weeks, and I will be interviewd during the first session on July 28th (Tues) between 1030 am and 12.

    There are quite a few podcasts that I have made with my friend and MRA Christian J, and two made with Paul Elam of Houston, Texas that have been given the video treatment for You Tube. These two have had over a thousand views each.

    NZ MRAS are welcome to download any of my pods from Soundcloud (just look for Amfortas or Christian Jay) and use them in men’s groups or elsewhere.

    Comment by amfortas — Thu 23rd July 2009 @ 10:43 pm

  38. Thank-you for this. Thanks to people working together we can make many copies. Anything else you think might be worthwhile please add.

    Comment by julie — Sun 26th July 2009 @ 1:17 pm

  39. This meeting has been postponed for a week. I have lots and lots of good stuff to take thanks to Paul Catton.

    Alistair, you have another week to put your database together.

    Comment by julie — Mon 27th July 2009 @ 5:29 pm

  40. 20 records to go Julie, It’s sickening. If time gets critical tell me NOW1 and I will forward what I have. I am into 2009!

    Comment by alastair — Mon 27th July 2009 @ 5:33 pm

  41. You’re amAzing Alistair. Thank-you very much for the effort you have put into this. You seem to be the best piece of information on this. Maybe the only piece in NZ.

    Comment by julie — Mon 27th July 2009 @ 9:18 pm

  42. On it’s way Julie. It will also be in the files area of NZFVL and Pauls-news.

    Comment by alastair — Mon 27th July 2009 @ 10:47 pm

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