Peter Dunne Child Tax Quotes
Time to analyse the words of Child Tax Administrator Dunne Nothing.
I am never satisfied when there is at least one custodial parent or one child not receiving a full payment from a liable parent. But I believe that the Inland Revenue Department is doing an excellent job, given the practicalities of the world in which we live.
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“I welcome the start-up of information matching between Inland Revenue and New Zealand Customs as a useful measure for chasing up parents who do not take their child support obligations seriously,”
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I have no tolerance at all for people who abscond from their responsibilities. The legislation that was passed recently gives us a mechanism to get tougher with them. I have indicated in response to questions this afternoon that other measures are under consideration. I simply say to all liable parents that they have obligations, and we expect them to meet them.
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Revenue minister Peter Dunne told Sunday News he had been “extremely worried” about unpaid child support for several years and was working on proposals to take to Cabinet early next year.
“The thing we often forget in the child-support debate is that it’s not really about the parents — it’s about the kids, and if the payments aren’t being made, then the children are suffering,” Dunne said.
“The paramount responsibility is the money getting to the kids because the kids don’t choose their parents or the circumstances, yet they very much are the victims of them.”
The United Future leader said payment — or non-payment — of child support by the 175,200 liable parents had a “significant” effect on recipient children’s quality of life.
Because a quarter of this year’s payments alone were overdue, many Kiwi families would be struggling this Christmas, he said.
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“There is much anecdotal evidence of liable parents who appear to have luxury lifestyles but pay only the bare minimum of $14 a week in child support.
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I would always like to see the collection rate for child support be higher, and that is one of the reasons behind the Child Support Amendment Bill (No 4), which is currently before the House. That bill is designed to get more money directly to children.
Understand this Breaucrat has Dunne Nothing to help child tax payers his focus is one thing collection of the Tax.
Reform requires action not nine years of doing nothing. Dunne Nothings hand needs to be forced by ongoing non violent civil disobedience that the Prime Minister and Cabinet want gone from the National and International Media.
Regards
SCrap
Getting rid of Dunne is one of my own personal objectives. He has not only done nothing but because of his 9 years of doing nothing he has prevented someone else coming in and doing something.
Comment by noconfidence — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 12:14 pm
Valid point no
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 12:31 pm
Sadly, he has dunne more than nothing, but it has all been anti-father and anti-family. He successfully introduced legislation that now allows the NZ gambling industry to run internet gambling. He set up the “Families Commission” in such a way as to allow it to treat biological families (Mum, Dad and kids) as no more desirable than any other bunch of cohabitants, to refuse to meet with a delegation of men about male suicide, and to operate jmainly as yet another mouthpiece spreading feminist ideology. He successfully introduced legislation that allows government departments to share information and now allows the state to arrest fathers at our borders if they owe any father-exploitation tax (known affectionately as child support) most of which will consist of vicious late payment penalties. As shown in the post above, he has frequently badmouthed fathers and misrepresented separated fathers as “absconding from their responsibilities” when the truth is that women most frequently break up children’s family units and many men have been shut out of a paternal role by mothers, either through obstruction/poor cooperation, or through alienation or through family law including protection orders. Dunne has even used the term “Deadbeat Dads” in referring to fathers. Sure, Dunne had dunne nothing to help fathers or families, but he has dunne more than enough to damage them.
Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 12:45 pm
Reply to Scrap_The_CSA
After reading all of Peter Dunne press statements,my conclusion is such,nothing is going to change for decent Fathers,in fact far from it,and just my humble opinion….. ‘Life’ is going to get a lot more miserable and horrible for caring,decent and loving Fathers here in New Zealand…Sorry ,if I sound negative on this comment I going to make…Then watch the suicide rate go up with Fathers here N.Z
Scrap, I agree with you with non violent civil disobedience but one situation I can see occurring with the Media…see 2/
1/ Again, sorry to say this but one is The ‘Apathy’ syndrome here in New Zealand…but I am just bouncing an ‘Idea’ here on Menz, for everyone to comment on… Is this….As in ‘All’ separated / Divorced Fathers at the same time,same day all over New Zealand try and stop there Child Support payments….However and Scrap it seems to me, you are very glue up on Child Support Act,and please correct me if I am wrong here,but if the Father is a employee, is the company that Father is employed at, is liable by law to pay the Child support even without the Fathers consent…???…
That is what I have been told by my Employers,that the I.R.D could fine the Employer for non payment of the employee Child support payments..
2/ The Kiwi Feminists in the Media,who in my humble opinion have a lot of influence here in N.Z, will have a absolutely field day in the media. …like as such…’Dead beat Fathers trying to avoided there responsibly to there own Children’…Again,just my opinion.. There usual spin, of turning the N.Z Fathers into the evil villains of N.Z Society…..comments and opinions…???
Kind regards John Dutchie
Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 12:56 pm
This dad (all men are rapists and responsible for all the world’s ills), acted in a way typical of men and fathers. He didn’t stand and scream. Given the age of his daughter, he stands a greater-than-even chance of being ejected from his family before she becomes an adult. When he then gets behind in father-exploitation tax, he will be referred to by the likes of Dunne-Nothing as the deadbeat dad he really is.
Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 12:59 pm
Sure, Dunne had dunne nothing to help fathers or families, but he has dunne more than enough to damage them.
Good point Hans.
I seem to remember he had some expense paid for by Big Tobacco and was a firm supporter of Sue Bradford.
Regards
Scrap
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 1:06 pm
Getting very off-topic I know, but the very next story is of these workers probably dead in a mine explosion. Guess what their gender will be. Some of them are probably behind in their father exploitation tax too, and they are clearly deadbeat dads for trying to earn enough to make ends meet in what are dangerous work roles that men typically contribute. Deadbeat dads one and all… well, dead anyway.
Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 1:07 pm
if the Father is a employee, is the company that Father is employed at, is liable by law to pay the Child support even without the Fathers consent…???…
Tax administration Act is whrer enforcement powers are located.
My understanding is that they can force an employer to extract child tax from an employees wages. There are some cavaets but experience suggests that these would not apply.
Essentially they have draconian powers of collection and they do use them.
REgards
Scrap
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 1:18 pm
Reply to all
There is also another solution to ponder on..and it is quite ‘Left field’ …..For all decent,caring loving Kiwi Men who want start a Family… where they will honor and cherish there Children and Wife to the death…Is to leave N.Z and start else where Manhood and Fatherhood as not been ‘Demonized’ by the own Countries Woman as in radical Feminism ,in the Political system and the Justice system ..Where Fathers are not treated like ‘Scum of the Earth’ or portrayed as ‘Evil Monsters’ by Femi Nazi Feminists ….
Kind regards John Dutchie
Comment by John Dutchie — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 1:54 pm
What’s new here? Dunne and his vigilante team, I mean the IRD, tar all parents with the same brush. If you make them look bad as a whole the “responsible” parents are not going to get a lot of empathy from the general public. The inequity of the blood sucking system on parents, predominantly male, who are thwarted at having any reasonable access to their own children will never change. I read the pathetic CPAC Report and it says we are hiding money from them and they need more power, we are not entitled to better our lives and any perceived accumulated wealth should be siphoned off to the child. Have the morons not noticed whose bank account it goes into? Not the child’s that’s for sure! Dunne is a waste of space. Scrap the CSA!
Comment by Roger — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 7:17 pm
The DPB is the only benefit for which the state expect to be recompensed.
Sickness beneficiaries do not have to pay back when they get well
Unemployment beneficiaries do not have to repay when they find work-
For that matter, solo mothers who cannot identify the father are not expected to pay back the DPB after their kids grow up.
It is the State that started this war against fathers- it is the State which is having to wear the costs. No amount of huffing and puffing by the likes of Peter Dunne are going to result in the huge outstanding amounts being recovered.
If you consider the huge totals of unpaid “Child Tax”, plus penalties, plus the immense and increasing DPB costs, added to the social costs of delinquent de-fathered children, leading to adult criminals, then the State (in most western countries) has scored a big string of “own-goals” by waging it’s war on families.
The consequences are clear- the low falling birth rates, well below replacement levels, the hoards of “old maids” who will never be mothers (see ‘man draught’) and the need for continual immigration to support the economy.
It is very clear that the only states with a future are those which nurture the family. The younger citizens would do well to learn their languages!
Comment by John Brett — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 7:31 pm
Yes JB.
Spot on.
Goodness knows what will happen to the birth rate in developed industrialized nations when the male pill comes out in the not too distant future.
I fully expect that many feminists will have a frothing at the mouth hissy fit when it does (it’s on trial in five countries as far as I can tell (reports on youtube for those interested.
After all it will turn the tables when men have control over their own fertility as women have for close to 40 years now.
Your thoughts?
Comment by Skeptik — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 9:14 pm
Yes JB.
Spot on.
Goodness knows what will happen to the birth rate in developed industrialized nations when the male pill comes out in the not too distant future.
I fully expect that many feminists will have a frothing at the mouth hissy fit when it does (it’s on trial in five countries as far as I can tell (reports on youtube for those interested.
After all it will turn the tables when men have control over their own fertility as women have for close to 40 years now.
Your thoughts on the matter?
Comment by Skeptik — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 9:15 pm
Words of wisdom from the IRD. (dumbed down a bit, but the meaning is still there.)
– We tax you on last years income.
– If your income changes you must tell us immediately!
– You can go for an administrative review, however if we deem it too difficult we can say no, and you are not allowed to challenge this. If you do go for an administrative review your ex will be able to see all of your financial details/records… even if she never had access to them before! (This by the way breaches the privacy act!)
I could go on and on, but I can’t be bothered, there are too many!
Comment by Scott B — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 9:17 pm
hope you guys can help
Hi Well i just got here from Aussie with all my review stuff ready. Visiting my 3 children as i have every school hols.
Last week I had a letter saying my child support has doubled because of a pay increase. {my income has not changed in 3 years)
I called CS and got told “to bad thats your assessed income”.
So now if they go ahead my pay will be garnished in Aussie.
I will lose my house and job and move back to NZ and go on the dole…. Thats how screwed up this place really is. I wrote to Dunn and IRD no response.
If you are planning a protest march or big letter in all the papers count me in. I tried topping myself once on the motor way and had a nervous breakdown last year, but im still here and just need some people support. lets get this antiquated fossil of a system the kicking it needs.
The Aussie system recognises the custodial parents income over 40%
The Aussie CSA blokes i deal with are ok , based in Tassy and love Toranas. i have been threatened with exclusion from flights but pay 1,100 nzd including penalties. I have a big mortgage, my ex wife a free hold home, she makes 150K and spent 200k on the house last year. I pay 14K PA to see my kids and am expected to pay $1900 a month. her salary is not taken into consideration. Any advice will help.
Comment by jorge — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 10:56 pm
No advice sorry. But I am sure I can speak for everyone here, we support you.
Comment by Scott B — Tue 6th April 2010 @ 11:06 pm
write to [email protected] he will be able to help you.
Comment by Kiwi Skier — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 7:41 am
Hi. Have you asked for a IRD review ? This is your best option. I can provided links on the IRD site, though you should be able to find info by search the IRD site yourself.
Not sure I would email Allan myself. He didn’t appear to be on the side of men when I was emailing him about IRD child support. But that’s my own opinion.
Comment by noconfidence — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 9:26 am
I have total confidence that Allan is well versed in Child Tax law and will provide valid guidance based on the facts in front of him.
Allan may well tell you what you dont want to hear and is as limited as anyone by the body of Tax Law.
My experience, and I am sure Allan experiences the same, is that everyone thinks they understand child tax law when they dont have a clue. This results in myself not bothering to give guidance as people dont value it and tend to do the excat opposite of the guidance provided.
If income is wrongly assessed (as suggested inJorges comment) it should be realatively easy to fix. Bear in mind that there are cretain caveaets that apply to non resident income for the purposes of calculation of a child tax demand.
Admin Reviews are a minefield and should be avoided if possible as legally and statistically you have a very low chance of being successful.
Regards
Scrap
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 10:06 am
Reply to John Brett…
Excellent post John….You are very correct as in…. ‘The state started the War on Fathers’….But in my humble opinion it is also a War for the ‘alienation’ of Manhood and Fatherhood from western European society and more importantly the ‘Family unit’ which is the critical fabric of a decent society.
And who were responsible behind all this ‘Evil’ social engineering agenda and pushing the so called buttons ‘behind the scenes’ with our so called elected politicians…Radical ‘Femi Nazi’ social engineering Feminists…
Kind regards John Dutchie
Comment by John Dutchie — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 11:44 am
Reply to Scott B
Yep,very correct Scott B,funny thou,but you as a Man can’t see,let ask for any financial records of your ex partner due the ‘privacy act’ …wonder why …?????
But Gentleman,lets simplified this,and surely the Kiwi Feminists will justify the usual ‘Double standards’ ….for this is Feminist New Zealand …
Father/s…Must be punished and alienated at all costs by the Feminist state of N.Z
Kind regards John Dutchie
Comment by John Dutchie — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 12:12 pm
I too have full confidence that Allan is on the side of men, that he has more relevant knowledge that most anyone else I know, and that his advice will be genuinely intended to be helpful to you.
Comment by Hans Laven — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 12:28 pm
I am also coming to see Dunne Nothing as part of the problem. His argument is that compromise is required to make changes within the political arena. However step back a minute and consider the additional enforcement changes he has made and the amendments to the law he has made. If he was serious about replacing the current Child Tax with a scheme based on the cost of raise a child then why make these other changes at all.
Surely the politically expedient thing to do would be to keep arguing that the current scheme is unfixable and a new one is required. Any criticism can then be deflected to say ‘if you are not happy with the current scheme – stop blocking me from introducing a replacement”. Thus creating political pressure for change.
I think the thing that is has saved Dunne so far is that National and Labour both have such extreme head in sand feminist types in them. Look at Judith Collins for example.
Comment by Dave — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 3:12 pm
Good observation Dave
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 3:37 pm
Scrap;
It wasn’t like that at all.
I had provided others on here with info on a legal loophole and he just poured scorn on it. It was legal, but he was casting himself as some kind of moral high ground. Perhaps the issue I had was the way in which he wrote his emails. Anyway; I don’t want to re-open old wounds. As I’ve said in other posts, I understand that he has done some positive things for men. I’m just wary of him or rather his style of working
Comment by noconfidence — Wed 7th April 2010 @ 10:54 pm
now Mary Poppins has become Molly. Persistently irrelevant.
Comment by Hans Laven — Fri 9th April 2010 @ 12:07 pm
White ant eradicated.
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Fri 9th April 2010 @ 1:11 pm
Hi Scrap.
202.124.103.234 is the originating IP from this psychopath. I’ve used nslookup and it’s a small NZ IP provider. The email addresses are fake too.
I’ve added the IP to my banish list and removed them from my post.
Comment by noconfidence — Fri 9th April 2010 @ 1:15 pm
by the way; I’ve also managed to find some personal information on this individual and can pass it on to all on here so they can start spamming her email address if the mod sees this is a just tactic….
Comment by noconfidence — Fri 9th April 2010 @ 1:47 pm
why make ourselves as bad as her?
Comment by Scott B — Fri 9th April 2010 @ 4:11 pm
No
thanks for the IP address – I’m only interested in getting rid of the white Ants I dont care who they are and dont want to waste any more time on them than it takes to block or hit delete to get rid of them.
Regards
Scrap
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Fri 9th April 2010 @ 4:38 pm
Peter Dunne’s press statements leave me cold and my only comment to this individual is “I wouldn’t piss on him if he was burning in the Sahara desert”. In six years I’ve paid $74,000 for one child while his mother earns a good salary as a primary school teacher. What’s worse I still have another 5 years to go and at the present rate of $12,000/yr……yes another $60,000. At 56 years of age I haven’t a shit show in hell of securing my own future. I even tried secondary employment but hey guess what, I got stung for that to. In the middle ages people like Dunne would have been culled out. These press releases from Dunne will enevntually lead to one thing…….it’s called violence.
Where is the fairness in the system?
Comment by Steveb — Mon 19th April 2010 @ 10:53 pm
steveb,
I appreciate your outrage at Mr Dunne.
Here’s a thought.
It requires you to be adventurous, but might appeal as the retirement you could live very comfortably with. just Google from there.
Comment by Skeptik — Tue 20th April 2010 @ 2:19 am
Steveb
Understand where you are comming from – there are quite a few in a similar position.
Regards
Scrap
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 20th April 2010 @ 5:48 pm
Wow Peter Dunne worries about the poor custodial parent not receiving their money, and that might affect people’s Christmas. And worries that the IRD don’t receive their money?
Well the amount my husband pays in child support is so high that when our child is born this year I have no choice but to go back to work after 17 weeks. Yes just over 3 months at home with our baby is all we can afford. And when I write to John Key to request the government look into this debacle of a tax, the letter is instead sent to Peter Dunne, and his reply?
That they are now deferring consideration into changes in the Child Support Scheme. But we’re welcome to try for an administrative review. I don’t think we’ll be taking that risk somehow!
It’s nice to think that our government can be so concerned about certain groups of people, but other people are left with no help and no chance of help. Thanks Mr Dunne! Pretty happy with you right now!
Comment by K — Wed 21st April 2010 @ 12:14 pm
That’s cause they know where they are gonna get their money from, and it isn’t custodial parents!
Comment by Scott B — Wed 21st April 2010 @ 1:58 pm
No its from the new partner!
Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Wed 21st April 2010 @ 2:48 pm