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Should we have happy fathers?

Filed under: General — Vman @ 3:29 am Wed 14th April 2010

I’d like to know your thoughts on this subject.
I am interested in long term happiness. The kind of happiness when you can say you have a happy and forfulling life. I think it is important.

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Does it matter to society if fathers are happy?

Why is this never researched?

What are the consequences?

Does this affect your quality of life?

Should society care?

What enables fathers to be happy?


  1. I have yet to see a happy father as a client in my gender bias feminist run Femily Court.

    Comment by Judge Dread — Wed 14th April 2010 @ 6:09 am

  2. Clearly very few young men are happy to become fathers, after seeing the consequences for their fathers.
    This is the reason for the:
    Man Drought
    Lack of babies
    Aging population
    Neccessity for immigration to maintain working age population

    Comment by John Brett — Wed 14th April 2010 @ 8:17 am

  3. Absolutely yes. Children learn at their fathers feet, is a very old saying. Look a t a youth, and you look at the father. Taking a father away is like taking the rudder off a ship and expecting to steer it!

    A family I know – only to well, over many years – seperated, one child to dad, one child to mum. The dads child, had a sucessful life, and well developed grandchildren. I’m sorry to say the child taken by the mother has had the opposite outcome. Who needs mothers?

    Maybe things need reversing. Men choose the mother of their children! Once weened the only contact apart from paying child tax, would be with the fathers permission!

    Radical 🙂

    Might stir the pot 🙂

    Comment by Alastair — Wed 14th April 2010 @ 9:00 am

  4. Guys, I believe we should steer away from mum vs dad. Both are valuable and paramount when it comes to nurturing a child. John Key was raised by a solo mum. Is he a failure because of that? The battle ground is the law and the industry around it that favors one gender (female) and demonizes the other (male). We would fight and side with women were they demonized by law.
    When should fight a system that encourages family destruction, a system intent on taking authority from parents to be then vested within hyenas (divorce industry) hands.

    As for happiness, my humble opinion is no single person is happy (except children who live their paradise now). There are only degrees of unhappiness.
    Be happy!

    Comment by tren Christchurch — Thu 15th April 2010 @ 8:30 am

  5. Reply to tren

    ‘We would fight and side with women were they demonized by law.’…..Vey correct…I wouldn’t even for one second hesiate to fight for ‘Womanhood’ or ‘Motherhood’ if the system was so baised…

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Thu 15th April 2010 @ 3:08 pm

  6. I think we can promote fatherhood without discussing mum vs dad.

    Comment by Dave — Thu 15th April 2010 @ 6:24 pm

  7. tren,
    you ask about our prime minister having been raised by a solo Mom –

    “Is he a failure because of that?”

    To which I think you’ll find the answer in asking

    “Has Mr Key done one single thing to openly address men’s rights issues?”

    I personally think that for men he’s an abject failure. Just another naive chivalric type who has done his emotional father-work. The perfect hollow man follow-up for arch feminist Helen Clarke.

    Comment by Skeptik — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 3:45 am

  8. Whoops!
    I should have said Mr Key HASN’T done his emotional father-work.

    Comment by Skeptik — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 3:46 am

  9. Reply to all

    Gentleman,a awesome Lady barrister friend of mine, put onto this You ‘Tube Tube’ article…’Misandry – Men Don’t Exist’…Please, have a look,this is a real Eye opener….And a challenge to you Kiwi Feminists who are watching and reading the posts on this Menz forum site,e.g….like ‘The Ministry of Woman’s affairs’ go on then, I dare you to have a look also…Then lets hear your Kiwi Feminists ‘Spin’ in your Justifications of this Evil social engineering …Come on you, Kiwi Feminists debate with me…I have laid down a the gauntlet to all of you…!!!!!

    Kind regards John Dutchie

    Comment by John Dutchie — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 6:03 am

  10. @Dave, I do not disagree with “I think we can promote fatherhood without discussing mum vs dad.”

    @Skeptik, Right until my protection order qualification I was a happy father raising 4 kids with my then wife. I never heard or sympathized with
    fathers caught by the domestic violence industry. I sided with these ‘battered’ women ‘beaten relentlessly’ at home by ‘violent males’. The ‘cycle’ had to stop i believed. Until this domestic violence machine hit home… and saw the reality of things in all its glory.

    Today I am a hurt ‘citizen’.

    My point Skeptic is that males out there, fathers out there including John Key are simply unaware of this violent, abusive, repressive machinery
    represented by the Family Court, Women Refuge, Divorce and separation lawyers Lawyers, Family Court approved services of Relationships Services, Barnardos, psychologists, Social workers etc.
    It is like the sheep in the paddock. You discover this when ‘they’ come to us.

    There are brave solo mums out there. But these are not lifestyle solo mums, they are not solo mums by choice. NZ is a lifestyle solo mum republic.

    The enemy and i am generous with that word is the Family Court and the law around it that favors females and abuses, traumatizes and demonizes fathers. Anything else is literature and hair salon discussion. The judges of the Family Court are wankers of first rate. They are the ones to blame the most.

    Comment by tren Christchurch — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 8:31 am

  11. @John, That is the spirit!

    Comment by tren Christchurch — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 8:32 am

  12. The link is

    Comment by John Brett — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 7:18 pm

  13. John Brett,
    Thanks for posting the link to the video which is part of the manwomanmyth series.
    I posted a link to that series a couple of weeks ago, but I think it’s timely that you did so again.
    I especially like that you chose to link to the segment on misandry.
    I tend to forget that many who are new to Men’s issues won’t know the term and may be turned off seeing it as technical jargon. That’s would be unfortunate as it’s a crucial concept you were smart to highlight as you did. Bearing in mind today is Titanic day.
    So I’m particularly pleased that folks can follow your linkage, gain an understanding of the term and spread the word so it can enter the popular lexicon.
    Would you be so kind as to put the link up from time to time? and I’ll try to remember to do the same myself. Actually if you were to put the link up it would remind me to do likewise and perhaps also vice versa.
    Your thoughts?

    Comment by Skeptik — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 9:04 pm

  14. My thanks also to John Dutchie for mentioning the video and issuing the challenge to feminist readers of MENZ.

    Comment by Skeptik — Fri 16th April 2010 @ 9:05 pm

  15. I’m sorry for putting details up on the negative side of masculinity on a day when men want to look at the positive sides. I wasn’t being empathetic to men who have been harmed by feminism nor of menz member’s experiences.

    Comment by julie — Sat 17th April 2010 @ 9:28 am

  16. Yes John Brett.
    I agree.
    That’s a powerful small list you’ve compiled there. Nice job!

    A list to which you can also add –
    Demotivated schoolboys.
    Marginalized, alienated, criminal young males.

    Comment by Skeptik — Sat 17th April 2010 @ 10:25 am

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