What do you get for your $160,140?
Check out this on the return on investment of children.
The Australian government worked out middle income folk spend $160,140 raising a child to age 18. This article considers what do you get for your $160,140?
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I get health problems, stress, abuse, blackmail… the list goes on an on. Do I get anything positive? No.
Still my children are even worse off.
Comment by Scott B — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 4:43 pm
I’ve been forced by the state to spend a whole lot more than that on (supposedly) my kids and they’re only at primary school. I wonder where all the money has gone.
Comment by Scott — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 4:47 pm
Me too Scott, me too!
Comment by Scott B — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 5:00 pm
everything i spend money on i get a receipt,I would like to get one for every dollar i spend on child support to know what its spent on.And who pays me for the three out of 4 weekends and 3 quarters of the holidays that i have my boys do you think she (the x)would give me money? na.One sided,you bet.After all weekends and holidays are the most expensive times to have children.What a great system we have in this country and on top of that after 5 years of marraige I had to write out a huge checque wish has put me back 10yrs or more, and what for?A wife who lved herself more than she loved her kids….I still love my mum and my Japanese wife
Comment by paul — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 5:46 pm
My lawyer told me when I asked him if I was going to get receipts for what my child support was going to…he said no, cause you’ll never know what it goes towards and if it helps your childrens mother, then it helps them… I got a new lawyer… who was just a rubbish.
P.S. I still love Pauls mum!
Sorry Paul, just couldn’t resist. Just a joke. I still love my mum and wife too. They are great examples of what women, no… humans should and can be like!
Comment by Scott B — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 5:58 pm
good onya scotty
Comment by paul — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 6:00 pm
$160,140 isn’t so bad if you break it down.
It translates into:
* $8,896.66 a year,
* $741.38 a month, or
* $171.08 a week.</blockquote
Now the figures above are Australian figures. I would add that ANY figues like this are very questionable in their accuracy.
But for arguments sake here is an approximation of the financial help you will get in New Zealand, if you are a solo parent with 1 child, earning around $30,000 per year. With an x partner earning about the same, paying child support through IRD.
$86 per week Family Tax Credit
$70 per week accommodation supplement (depending on rent cost and area of course)
$60 per week in work payment
$70 per week Child Support
Total $286. Per week.
Now honestly here……who spends $286 a week on basic essentials for 1 child. Not luxuries, label clothing etc. But basic essentials. Food, shelter, childcare, schooling, clothing etc. Isn't that what this financial help is supposed to be for? And what about the custodial parent contributing some of their own money towards raising their children? When the whole lot is being paid for in government help and the payments from a non-custodial parent it effectively means that the majority of parents earning this kind of money are not actually paying anything from their own pocket to raise their kids.
And what happens to the non-custodial parent in this situation? Firstly they will get almost no help with rent etc, secondly they will have their effective income reduced by $70 net. This puts them on a net income of around $17,000 net per year, ($330 net per week), far less than the minimum wage of around $21,000 net per year ($400 net per week).
With the extra help taken into account, the income difference between having custody and not is $356 per week. The custodial parent is effectively in a situation where they pay nothing at all to raise their kid and in reality is probably being payed more than it actually costs. Meanwhile the non-custodial parent is actualy expected to be the only one who is really paying for raising the child and is forced under the poverty line as a result.
And then to top it all off, the Family Court has the audacity to try and keep non-custodial parents away from their kids.
Anyone see a problem here?
Comment by Phoenix — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 8:50 pm
The only problem I can see is that your whole post is written as a quote! lol the rest is accurate and I wish more people knew about all this.
Comment by Scott B — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 9:00 pm
Yes my apologies. It came up different on the screen before I posted it, and now unfortunately I cannot edit it.
Comment by Phoenix — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 9:02 pm
Don’t appologise, happens to me too!
Comment by Scott B — Wed 24th March 2010 @ 9:04 pm
Reply to Phoenix
….Just my humble opinion…… The simple answer here because the system as been so manipulated by the Kiwi Feminist that Men/Fathers are the so called E
Comment by John Dutchie — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 7:32 am
Whoops hit the key..Again
to finish off…..So called Evil Abusers and the Kiwi Woman/Mothers are always the Victim…This as been ingrained into the system for the last 25 years……Thus the Man/Father as to pay because ‘He’,as some Kiwi Feminists have told me to my face deserves,and as to be ‘Punished’…….And then you wonder why Karen and Katy, I will not even look at a Kiwi Woman anymore
Kind regards John Dutchie
Comment by John Dutchie — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 7:39 am
after hearing and reading many stories by men, I think there is a handbook (or maybe it is just word of mouth) that all these women seem to go by. The stories are all the same, the terms and words are all the same, all identical. I can spot a true story from women a mile away, cause I haven’t heard it before!
Comment by Scott B — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 7:44 am
Although, that might just be a new one I haven’t heard/read yet!
Comment by Scott B — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 7:45 am
Reply to Scott B
….Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm…As in ‘Man’s’ hand book here in New Zealand…My so called hand book would just be one Paragraph…
…’Don’t marry ,or even think of getting involved with a ‘Western Kiwi European Woman’ anymore…
Look else where,Where Woman still have that wonderful strong ‘Femininity’ quality …Not this I am a Feminist,thus I am the ‘Victim’ and thus You, as in the Man,owe me big time….’Tongue in Cheek’…..See,problem solved…!!!
Kind regards John Dutchie
Comment by John Dutchie — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 7:56 am
lol
There are some really good kiwi women left, but they are usually products of broken homes, fatherlessness etc, so they know what it is like to be a true victim.
Comment by Scott B — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 8:00 am
Unfortunately it isn’t just the system here. I have a close friend in Australia with the x from hell. She took both his kids, left him with $42,000 of debts and accused him of being violent (which is ridiculous, the guy is as gentle as a lamb). The impression I got from him is that Australia is just as bad, if not worse when it comes to the way fathers are treated.
Comment by Phoenix — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 8:09 am
Yup, most if not all places in the western world are like Fem Zealand.
Comment by Scott B — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 8:16 am
I haven’t added it all up but I am sure I have paid more than $160,140 already.
What did I get?
I got a great deal. I’ll just give you the highlights.
Well I got my heart ripped out and 10 years later it hasn’t healed. I expect that whole could never be filled.
I got bankruptcy. Actually it was worse than that since at least with bankruptcy your debts are wiped clean. Let’s call it ongoing financial ruin.
I got completely emotionally destroyed.
I got to be seriously clinically depressed for many long years. Not only was my mental health broken but my physical health was broken in several ways as well.
I got my life expectancy dramatically shortened. In this I was lucky because for a while I lost the will to live.
I didn’t just loose my job. For a few years I lost my whole career. In fact I came extremely close to not really contributing to society at all.
I got to loose my faith in the justice system, system of government and the values of society.
I came close to losing my faith in humanity and women in general.
It got to have my core values, life aspirations and general identification of who I believed I was ripped out and crushed.
But these were the trivial things I got.
What really hurt was that I got to feel what it’s like to have your children taken away gradually, tortuously. Knowing they are alive so I can’t grieve for them yet being prevented from even telling them I love them.
Another extra thing I got was the knowledge there is a good chance it could all happen again at the whim of any woman I sleep with.
Yeah there was a lot of things I got.
Comment by Dave — Thu 25th March 2010 @ 6:22 pm
So what you are saying is that we have a choice between a feminist with a victim mentality or someone from a broken home with a victim mentality? Doesn’t sound like much of a choice to me.
Comment by Phoenix — Fri 26th March 2010 @ 9:39 am
Reply to Dave
…Really feel for you Dave,stay strong and focus my friend….
This is what makes my ‘Blood Boil’ ….When I over hear Kiwi Woman say that ‘Men’ are incapable of feeling any ‘Emotional’ pain..Wrong…Damn wrong…We feel pain,hurt and grief alright…more then they could ever realize…..
Kind regards to you Dave…John Dutchie
Comment by John Dutchie — Fri 26th March 2010 @ 11:35 am