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Referal is needed for a good lawyer that gets the job done quickly without the usual lengthy drawnout crap and expense.
The job: 1. I live in Australia and am seeking contact orders to have my children in Australia during the holidays. 2. I seek to overturn the CAPS order on their passports.
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‘good lawyer’.. 2 words that don’t go well together!
Which part of the country is your ex in as I would imagine the case would have to be heard in her town/city.
Comment by noconfidenceinNZfamilycourt — Wed 14th September 2011 @ 10:00 pm
North Shore Auckland
Comment by michael — Thu 15th September 2011 @ 9:39 am
Hey, Mikey. I hate to dent your expectations, but in the legal circle of this country they refer to the family court as ‘the home of the lazy and the incompetent.’ The way it works over here is that the expensive lawyers want to be future Judges, so they will lead the up the garden path. A cheap lawyer indicates that he has an ounce of conscience left, but either way the amount of money you spend has very little affect on the outcome. That’s why so many New Zealand guys represent themselves; they are usually a bit more intelligent than their lawyer, get a better outcome, and still have some money in their pocket to spend on their children.
Comment by Down Under — Thu 15th September 2011 @ 11:21 am
Representing yourself can be a good way, but it has it’s disadvantages too. I self represented myself and found myself up against a male hating, self representing litigant hating judge.
I don’t know any good lawyers in North Shore. I can tell you a long list of bad ones though. If you are going to go to a lawyer I suggest you go for an senior one (eg a QC) that doesn’t do much family court. They usually don’t want to do family court work because they are very cynical about it so you have someone there that wants to get the job done quickly, efficiently and thus you may come out better. Also, judges and other lawyers love to lick ass, so if you have a senior one you’re more likely to get what you want. The hourly cost will be very high but they won’t be billing you for every little whim that your ex sends through. They ignore the crap and get on with the job in hand. That’s my opinion anyway.
Comment by noconfidenceinNZfamilycourt — Thu 15th September 2011 @ 12:41 pm
How much are you willing to pay? How long are you willing to give to this?
Comment by Julie — Thu 15th September 2011 @ 7:33 pm
I’ve dowloaded the forms and will take it to court myself.
Comment by michael — Thu 15th September 2011 @ 10:23 pm
Sheila McCabe (Barrister) 09 307 3366
I would highly recommend. Call her for a chat and see what you think.
We found her to be fantastic, she represented us and we got everything that we were seeking. She does not muck around.
Good Luck.
Comment by Cazz — Wed 28th September 2011 @ 4:01 pm
is there any such thing as a good lawyer?
Comment by Ford — Sun 9th October 2011 @ 10:46 am
The New Zealand legal system can be regarded as a joke. It seems to be set up to line the lawyers pockets .
Every lawyer will tell you how fantastic they are before you engage them. This continues to dumb you down and let them do what they want which is not necessarily right .
Keep yourself informed and don’t trust anyone would be my advice. And if your issues continue to escalate through the system to the High court, continue with your expectations not to trust or believe that justice will prevail.
Most Lawyers are there for one thing and that is for their pay day.
Comment by Nikki — Fri 6th June 2014 @ 8:33 pm
Most men (and I would guess women too) suffer the most damage from their own legal worker, then the judge and least of all the other person’s legal worker.
Negotiate well, before getting into a legal mutual damage exercise (Mutually Assured Destruction=MA?). Defuse where possible, compromise where sensible, use imagination to try to meet the other person’s demands.
Learn about all of your options, before getting stuck into one track and always know your back-out options.
To protect yourself, don’t give them an open cheque book, give one task at a time and pay for it as soon as it is done. This lets you feel the quality for money, in time to make decisions about who you might get to do the next task.
You need to be well organised and learn as much as you can, before seeing your legal worker. If you visit them to do basic learning or crying, you will be paying a lot for the luxury.
Often legal workers will say, don’t pay me now, just pay when the house is sold. This lets them run up a huge bill, which is taken out of the house proceeds, before you might get a look in.
At critical points, take your file and get a second opinion, from an independent legal worker. This adds to the cost, but the advice and warnings are likely to save you costs, by letting you see when you are being strung along by the first legal worker. It is quite hard to judge independent, as there are many friendships and allegiances that are not easy to see. So, do your homework about them, before opening up yourself to the hazard of their bills.
Use your legal worker, only for what you cannot do yourself. Probably it is best to receive letters yourself, as your legal worker will charge quite a bit for opening and reading letters and then writing to you. If you need emotional support, arrange it from a friend, rather than your legal worker. Besides, sometimes they may not tell you about an offer to settle, to keep the dispute simmering, to their profit.
Protect yourself from them.
Remember that the caught$ only hurt people who take them seriously.
Take seriously, the damage that they can do to you!
Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 7th June 2014 @ 10:26 am
I spend a heap of my time helping people develop a strategy for their legal approach. What do they wish in the long term (in a year of so), then what do they expect in the medium term (6 months to a year out) and then what is their short term wishes/expectation.
Personally I think outline the options, the chances of success and the strategy needed to get there is pretty easy stuff.
Develop a plan for the short term, then the medium term and the long term will look after itself. Develop the plan and stick to it.
This is quite a dis-similar approach to lawyers who often say; “Ok that is what you wish, trust me I can get that for you, clock on with me, keep $1500 in my trust account and I will always have time to run that down so you can top it up again and again and again”. Then when they don’t make progress towards the clients expectations they say again, “trust me, it will take a little longer but stay with me, pay me more and I will …..”
Lawyer approach is just pass it all over to someone else and you pay for the privelidge of being totally out of control by funded the annual upgrade of their BMW or Mercedes.
Comment by Allan Harvey — Sat 7th June 2014 @ 10:41 am
As they say, 98% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
But actually, lawyers I have worked with have put a lot of effort into their cases, tried hard to do the best for their clients. They are beholden to the law, the Court games and dances and the personality traits of each judge. They cost a lot because they can charge a lot due to supply and demand.
NZ imports huge numbers of medical professionals from other countries to keep the cost of those people down (yet they still cost a heap), but we don’t seem to take the same approach with lawyers, possibly because knowledge of NZ law is more locally specific than is knowledge of NZ brain surgery.
Comment by Man X Norton — Sun 8th June 2014 @ 10:00 am
There is a reason we don’t import lawyers.
We have a lot of dumb lazy judges who have been politically appointed rather than raised to their office for the quality of their expertise.
Overseas and mulit-jurisdiction lawyers have a very low opinion of our ‘quaint little legal system’ that prides itself on keeping control of lawyers and political outcomes rather than producing quality judgements.
Our legal system doesn’t want to held to account by other countries’ ethical standards and good lawyers have no real desire to operate here.
It’s called the Axminster System, where anything can be swept under the carpet. Legally we operate more like a banana republic than a descendant of the Westminster System.
Comment by Downunder — Sun 8th June 2014 @ 11:00 am
Legal workers manipulate the market, much more than most professions.
For a marketplace to work well, all participants need access to accurate information, about rates, outcomes, quality of work. Each of these issues is well manipulated in NZ. The Commerce Commission works hard to ensure that these factors work well, for all of the honest professions and trades, but not for legal workers.
Fear, Uncertainty, Darkness = FUD !
I am not saying that all legal worker’s are dishonest, I have known about 5 whom I believe to be honest, all lawyers and not judges and mostly women.
A large proportion of women with law degrees leave the profession, because they can’t sleep with how customers are to be treated, according to practice principals. Most men lawyers are not so choosy, alas, and are happy to sleep with customers. Icky, Sticky…
Over time, the industry ethic is self referential, they lose all connection with the host society and their morals and ethics are circularly guided by each other, mainly what they can get away with. Looked at in a broader frame, this is the personality disorder mental illness narcissism. Downunder said much the same above, in more gentlemanly language than I was able to use.
A fine example is Rhys Harrison, whom was so flammably incensed by a privately made complaint about him, by The right honourable Evgeny Orlov, that he had Orlov thrown out of the “legal profession”. What a mark of honour!
Sex workers seem to have a much better public reputation, as far as I can see.
It seems that I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning, so I apologise for my bitching and frothing at the mouth.
With the downturn in work for legal workers, those who put out their legal work to lowest cost tender, get much better prices than members of the public, who wander into their nearest lawhouse, and take whatever price and conditions they are offered.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Sun 8th June 2014 @ 11:28 am