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Ideas for Review of familycaught

Filed under: General — MurrayBacon @ 9:34 am Thu 20th October 2011

Review of familycaught – Ideas for Submissions

Although Simon Power’s Review of familycaught was triggered by the need to cut excessive wastage in Government spending, it also opens up the topics of the cost effectiveness and quality of service by familycaught.

Many of the issues in familycaught are subtle and based on values that we take for granted. Thus we are inexperienced at articulating them, let alone being able to suggest constructive changes.

Anne Lewis has clarified many of these issues, in her thesis:


This has been published by Fatherknowledgecentre:

An enquiry into the adult male experience of heterosexual abuse (Anne Lewis; 2000)

Although she has studied abuse in the widest sense, this thesis has incidentally covered most of the issues of frustration and social damage that the familycaught achieves.

If you patiently read through her work, then you are likely to find a fairly eloquent presentation of issues that worry you.

This may then help you to get started, to put together your own submission to Government.

In case you are worried that this is cheating, you should in your own submission acknowledge Anne Lewis’s thesis.

You can get many ideas by searching Menz, using the Search field at the top right of each page.

Best regards, MurrayBacon – axe murderer.


  1. the family rort needs to stop treating women like they are poor hard done by victims because most of them are not..they are malicious lying using manipulating bitches and the court backs them up

    Comment by Ford — Fri 21st October 2011 @ 6:54 am

  2. If it’s any consolation Ford, here’s a link to where one of these malicious lying using manipulating bitches went one step too far and got her just desserts.

    Now, if Gaddafi’s daughter meets the same fate as his sons and ends up swinging on the end of a rope before the world’s cameras, we would finally have arrived at the beginning of the road to “equality”.

    Comment by rc — Fri 21st October 2011 @ 6:03 pm

  3. a female can get an emergency sitting of the family court within 2-3 weeks or my experiences an emergency sitting if a man wants it..6-12 mths

    Comment by Ford — Sun 23rd October 2011 @ 7:25 pm

  4. Perhaps it is in the way you approach the Court.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Sun 23rd October 2011 @ 9:54 pm

  5. allan harvey..if you are replying to me its not me that approaches the courts..its the female lawyers that i can only seem to engage..maybe its them and their manipulating female shit

    Comment by Ford — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 7:22 am

  6. Don’t engage a lawyer then Ford. Get the help of an experienced MacKenzie Friend and the door of the Court is open to you and for matters about parenting or violence the time frames are less than the 6-1`2c months you have previously experienced.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 7:55 am

  7. next time..if theres a next time..i might engage a hitman instead

    Comment by Ford — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 8:31 am

  8. Ford, threats to murder will inevitably attract the attention of NZ state agencies and I do not wish to be implicated simply because I contribute here. I hereby distance myself unequivocally from your threats to violence. Further, if you continue to threaten or to encourage murder on MENZ I personally will contact the police to find and prosecute you; such threats are highly illegal.

    Instead, I encourage you to issue a statement that withdraws your threats to violence and that assures us those threats were not serious intentions. Then please get back to the valuable, insightful contributions you are known for making here; I have often appreciated them.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 9:45 am

  9. dont worry hans..if i get raided they wont even find a potato gun..i sold my guns years ago and handed in my licence before the x remebered i had them so she couldnt use that against me as well..i bought 2 fishing rods for what i got..come and confiscate those if the etate wants to..other than my openly bitter attitude about women i am generally a law abiding go hard..this ok over dramatic wanker

    Comment by Ford — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 11:21 am

  10. want my details?..make it easier for you

    Comment by Ford — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 11:24 am

  11. Ford, I don’t care much about you being raided. I just don’t want to be implicated, charged with complicity, involvement in a criminal group etc. And yes, please do provide your details to make it easier for me to distance myself from any further threats you might issue to commit or to solicit murder.

    Calling me an ‘over dramatic wanker’ doesn’t bother me much but does highlight your aggressive tendencies and also your minimization of the seriousness of your recent comments, and indeed of the risk those comments expose all other posters here to. I regret having to call you out, but I encourage you to behave like an adult, take responsibility for foolish outbursts and exercise more wisdom and restraint in future contributions.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 11:45 am

  12. wow..never would have thought i cause such an not minimizing as much as you are over the top..the only foolish thing about my comments is your response

    Comment by Ford — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 11:57 am

  13. @Ford
    Cleary you know nothing about the Urewera raids.
    I suggest you look up something about these so called Terror raids and I think Hans was modest in what he said. Have you seen the movie Operation 8?
    I used to be involved in student activism and remember attracting attention back then. Even in my fathers work we have attracted interest from not only the police but diplomatic protection, SIS and other groups.
    Hans and I are here as named individuals and we feel the need to strongly dissociate ourselves from your support of violence. I suspect JohnP may take a view on your intemperate suggestions as well.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 12:47 pm

  14. MI5 gonna come bust the door down>..tell them to knock..ill let them in..i cant afford a new door..and im not responsible for anyone elses decisions and/or actions over a comment i made on a message board..not likely

    Comment by Ford — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 1:12 pm

  15. With this type of experience to cope with –

    a female can get an emergency sitting of the family court within 2-3 weeks or my experiences an emergency sitting if a man wants it..6-12 mths

    and whilst I don’t condone it, I can understand why it’s only a matter of time until a man / some men in NZ resorts to severe violence as a reaction to being pushed too far by misandric laws and social conventions.
    The powers that be will then try to use such to leverage even harsher conditions for men in general.

    Comment by Skeptik — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 4:54 pm

  16. @Ford.

    I was contacted by the police because I had been in an email exchange I had been trying to help. They had written something which potentially threatened violence against a political figure. I myself had replied against such violence and gave an example of what I had thought about doing but would never do. It was an example to show sympathy to his plight but also to show that such thoughts should be dismissed.
    However, THAT THOUGHT was enough for me to get a talking to…..

    Hans is VERY CORRECT in wanting to distance himself from any comments. MENZ has enough issues without such comments.
    I seek change in this country but there are peaceful means in which to obtain it. Threatening violence regardless of whether you intend to perform it is not tolerated by the NZ ‘justice’ system.

    Comment by NoConfidenceInNZCourt — Mon 24th October 2011 @ 11:01 pm

  17. threatening a political figure is a little diff me thinks and via comparison

    Comment by Ford — Tue 25th October 2011 @ 7:15 am

  18. I suspect that when we over-read intent behind comment, and caution accordingly, we are doing the work of an already over-zealous police force.

    If Ford is really pushing the envelope of what is safe to express, and is likely to provoke state retaliation, wouldn’t we be better served if the police themselves earned our ridicule? Who amongst is so keen to spare them that?

    Comment by rc — Tue 25th October 2011 @ 8:53 pm

  19. @NoCo – We live in a totalitarian post feminist dystopian fascist police state. If the State doesn’t want violence, then it can present alternatives. BUT it doesn’t. Instead, it actively promotes violence.

    In the US, 250,000 men have killed themselves during the past forty years in response to irrational imposition by the State. Most of these men are not mentally ill or emotionally unstable. Instead, they have been denied all the basic necessities to survive and choose to kill themselves rather than suffer or live as slaves. Suicide is violence. Remember the self-immolation of Thomas Ball.

    Fifty percent of all children have been forcibly separated from their fathers, who protect them, and offered up to households with a much greater probability of violence directed against them. Mothers are responsible for most child abuse and child murder. The female demographic most responsible for violence against and abuse of a child is the mother. Women other than mothers are the next demographic most responsible for violence against children. The male demographic most responsible for violence against children is the boyfriend of the mother or step-father of the children. NOT the biological father. The biological father is the demographic, male or female, least likely to abuse a child. So, when custody of children is awarded to the mother (as it is in approx 90% of instances), then the State is increasing probability they will be abused. That’s real violence. Don’t forget parental alienation too.

    Responding to violence is not violence. It’s defense. Presently, any violence on the part of a father against the mother in this totalitarian post feminist dystopian fascist police state is understandable and predictable. The violence by the State and mothers against children and their fathers is not understandable or even rational in any interpretation. Ultimately, the State and mothers are responsible for their choices. Fathers have none. When a father murders the mother of their children, there is usually a good reason and he is protecting his children by reducing the probability that child will be the victim of violence him/herself.

    I don’t promote violence, but am just explaining the dynamics and the cost/benefits and the real reasons for it and why it makes sense and is, in many instances, a rational alternative. Whereas the violence imposed upon children and fathers by mothers and the State is not rational and makes no sense and is solely for the purpose of securing the children as commodities to be bought and sold. It literally is a war against fathers, children and the family and a response is necessary. The only thing necessary for evil to proliferate is for good men to do nothing.

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 26th October 2011 @ 2:19 am

  20. Suzy @20: shows it as it is. Feminists have no respect of and hypocritical about EQUALITY, FREEDOMS of speech, thought, movement. In olden days women were oftrten called “Child” and SUZY puts a great case for this practice to return.

    Comment by Jerry — Sat 11th March 2017 @ 9:41 am

  21. I think Suzy is a spam notice, many of which are directed to this site but are removed automatically before being displayed or manually as soon as possible after getting through the spam filters.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Sat 11th March 2017 @ 2:47 pm

  22. Man X Norton @21; Sure you are right. I saw it as that. I went on GOOGLE translate and its incoherent junk – much like Feminism. But in case the idiot was still watching, I took a swipe.

    Comment by Jerry — Sat 11th March 2017 @ 6:08 pm

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