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More Misandry from Simon Power

Filed under: Domestic Violence,Gender Politics,General,Law & Courts,Sex Abuse / CYF — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 9:35 am Sat 7th May 2011

Simon Power yesterday announced further financial support for those referred to as “victims” in criminal cases. At first glance all seems warm and fuzzy; for example, few would quibble about additional financial support and trauma counselling for “families of victims of serious crimes leading to death”. But a closer look at Power’s support package raises serious concerns about its underlying ideology and likely contribution to rampant misandry.

Careless use of the word “victim” continues a dangerous precedent. For families of people killed by others’ criminal actions this term may seem unproblematic. After all, those who have suffered such a loss will usually deserve to be seen as victims. However, even for homicides this is not cut and dry. The victim may also be the perpetrator to some degree or another. For example, Mark Lundy (“The Great Pretender”, NZ Listener, August 28, 2010) would be eligible for an immediate $5000 grant for losing his wife and daughter to brutal murders that he was later charged with (and convicted of) committing, and if police had pinned the crime on someone else Mr Lundy would be eligible for $3000 to travel to the trial of that defendant as well as $124 per day for being at the trial. There is no provision in these “victim” grants to make someone repay the money if, for example, (s)he is later found to have committed the homicide. Mr Lundy may have attended a few of the trauma counselling sessions on offer, but probably would not have pushed his luck in exposing himself to all 30 sessions because that would have involved too much close scrutiny concerning his grief.

And what about the situation in which a family member, say a wife contributes to the homicide of her partner? I have previously referred to research showing this to be a significant problem. For example, she might simply need to tell violent associates that her husband offended against her honour or molested a child, encouraging those associates to take chivalrous revenge on her behalf. These grants provide an incentive for such crime especially for low-income people for whom a quick $5000 plus subsequent payments of almost as much again would make a big difference to relieving their financial stress.

Mr Power’s latest package panders to feminist aspirations with total disregard for further injustice the package may create. Grants of $500 per incident were already in place for “victims of sexual violence”. To receive this bounty, complainants only have to report a sexual crime to police; even if police find the complaint so unworthy that they don’t investigate further or charge the accused, the complainant can still get the dough. The package will now be extended to provide $100 per day to both a complainant and a support person to attend the trial of the person she accused, on top of payments already in place for her whilst testifying.

One problem here is that Mr Power is happy to assume that every complaint is genuine. In fact, a complainant may or may not be a genuine victim; this is often what the Court needs to establish especially for sexual allegations where, for example, the presence or absence of consent needs to be determined before it can be established that any crime occurred at all. Extending the grants will also extend the incentive provided to make false complaints. Mr Power’s failure to include any protections against false complaints or otherwise to reduce the incentive his bounty provides for false complaints highlights his disregard for men’s rights and welfare. It goes without saying that it will almost always be men who are falsely accused of sexual crimes. For a false complainant, the latest, extended package will pay her and her friend/relative/co-conspirator to gloat over the accused’s misery throughout the entirety of his trial rather than only when she is called to give evidence.

The misandrist nature of Mr Power’s package is even more evident when one compares what might be available to victims of crimes that men are as likely or more likely to be subjected to. Aside from homicide and sexual violence, no other crimes qualify for automatic payments ‘per incident’ as alleged. The only support provided for other offence categories will compensate for travel and incidental costs related to attending Court or Parole hearings and then only for “serious crime” defined as

“one of sexual violation or other serious assault, one that has resulted in serious injury, death or a person being incapable; or one that has led the victim to have ongoing fears on reasonable grounds for their safety or the safety of one or more of their immediate family”.

So we see that those who claim to be victims of any sexual crime, no matter how trivial, contentious or dishonest, will be financially rewarded simply for making the allegation, whereas for all other alleged crimes there is only some assistance to attend hearings and even that’s limited only to those crimes that meet strict criteria for seriousness. For good measure though, ‘sexual violation’ is specifically defined as meeting those criteria.

What the hell is going on here? For whatever reason, Simon Power is colluding with feminists in the war against men, and we’re not talking about freedom fighters. This is state-sponsorship of feminist terrorism, except that instead of providing women with guns and rocket launchers the government is providing women with unbridled legal rights, financial incentives and other support to falsely accuse men, to cause men to be separated from their children, rejected by their communities, placed on sex offenders registers (like having a Star of David painted on men’s doors inviting lynch mobs to persecute them in perpetuity), to be deprived of jobs and income and/or thrown into prison for long durations. That’s what’s going on here.

Some might argue that the bounty for sexual complainants is available equally to men and women. Well perhaps, but I suspect that if a man went to the police and complained, for example, that an unknown woman in a bar groped his genital area (“can I have my $500 per alleged incident now thanks?”), the police would refuse even to record the complaint whereas if a woman made the same allegation police wouldn’t dare turn her away (“no sir, that payment is intended for female complainants only”). Men tend to find similar disbelieving or discriminatory attitudes from police even when they identify an alleged female offender; in fact, it’s dangerous for men to approach police about women’s offending at all because those men are liable to find themselves charged with something instead.

Blatant state-sponsored misandry, that’s what’s going on here.


  1. Yes indeed Hans.
    State sponsored feminist terrorism.

    Comment by Skeptic — Sat 7th May 2011 @ 3:57 pm

  2. Wow, another reason to become a “Man Going His Own Way.” And to leave New Zealand.

    Comment by Mr. Anonymous — Sun 8th May 2011 @ 12:34 am

  3. Another case of the failure of democracy as exercised the New Zealand way. Just a bunch more legislation at the expense of justice to the detriment of men.

    Comment by Bruce S — Sun 8th May 2011 @ 7:51 am

  4. Simon Power is wanting to create a visible legacy of action.

    While the NZ public are unaware how to measure the quality of legislation, then they may be easily misled by quantity of legislation, as a substitute. This is an old tradition of Ministers of Justice, Doug Graham DV Act and on….. Their legacy is still with us, still giving a tool for easy “abuse by caught”.

    “Going hard on crims” has always given good short term results for politicians. While the public has little sympathy for estranged men, then estranged men are vulnerable, as scapegoats.

    I believe that the public is slowly waking up on these issues. There are many grandparents who can only see half their grandchildren. Funny how they talk about the grandchildren they can see and most are so silent about those they cannot see…. Ask them, do you have other grandchildren and see how they answer?

    There are also many second wives, who resent the emotional injury, loss of enjoyment of life (to say nothing of child support payments), where earlier loves are crippling later relationships and family life.

    Anyway, our biggest deadweight politically, is single and married men with their heads in the sand. How do we help them to see into their own future possibilities?

    The election is bearing down fast onto us!

    Cheers, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sun 8th May 2011 @ 3:57 pm

  5. Simon Power is wanting to create a visible legacy of action

    wheres my crystal ball for the future. single parents bringing up kids (females only) sky rockets. males deemed “crims” sky rockets. kids deemed “not adjusting well” sky rockets. is that going to bring down children being abused? Thats the way our laws are turning.

    How can we say we have a fair system or even think we are anywhere close to thinking we are? Does New Zealand wish is make out we are a country where only woman bring up kids? Is that a good imagine?

    If so much abuse goes unreported as claimed, have the governments ever thought to look outside the square they are painting? cause as it stands, any male that mentions abuse going on are guilty of causing it.

    Comment by 2c worth — Sun 8th May 2011 @ 4:38 pm

  6. Where only women bring up children? – I have taken care of my own children full time, for 3 months and 18 months on another occasion. I got a feeling of non-understanding from many of my workmates and perhaps a bit colder still from the most sterile of my bosses. I was too busy to worry about it, at the time.

    Macho or self-importance, or fear of being seen as lacking something masculine? I don’t know or care.

    I was determined that I would work hard enough, so we could afford to take the drop in income that this would entail. (My wife was demanding about money, so I knew that this was going to be hard. She didn’t earn as much, but she demanded much more.)

    Some claim that lower wages for parents is based on gender. I always accepted that if I wanted to put more priority on home life and less on work, that I would end up paying a significant earnings price. The price was higher than I ever expected, but anyway, I don’t regret the compromises that I accepted.

    I was determined that my children would be able to have a full relationship with both parents – although I didn’t know then about familycaught manipulation and relationship vandalism. Despite them, I did my best to offer my time to my children.

    In my opinion, children benefit from having full relationships not just with their parents, but also with other adults.

    I believe that we need to sell society on the value to children, of having much more access to their father’s and also other men too. I don’t really mean access, I mean full healthy relationships.

    Besides, as the old saying goes – we teach children all about life and they teach us what life is all about.

    Men who are too cowardly to give their own children much time – miss out on this. Its not just the children who miss out, when relationships are largely cutoff.

    The most stultified, socially crippled people I have ever met, poorer than my boss, were familycaught “judges” and lawyers. What heroes, they saw themself as!!!

    So, lets persuade the public, of the value of men to children (from 0 to 45 years old).

    Why are our schools so bereft of men?

    Partly it is low wages (and women’s greed) and partly fear of false alligators, who can bite without any accountability. I believe that Government should offer men teachers danger money – risk of incompetent caught money!

    Eventually people would then come to realise that incompetent caughts are costing NZ hugely and stop tolerating the thievery and featherbedding that goes on each day in all of our caughts.

    New article at falseallegations

    Cheers, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sun 8th May 2011 @ 5:40 pm

  7. I was determined that my children would be able to have a full relationship with both parents – although I didn’t know then about familycaught manipulation and relationship vandalism. Despite them, I did my best to offer my time to my children.

    I feel the same as you Murray. I too wish to be involved in my child’s life but like many others, I have been accused of being a seriously violent person (makes out that ive killed someone doesnt it?). This makes it difficult to father my child at present but I do offer my best in the small amount of time Im allowed.

    In my opinion, children benefit from having full relationships not just with their parents, but also with other adults

    I also feel other kids from within the family as a whole. My child really enjoys time with there cousin of near the same age. They get on really well and have a strong bond. People never think of bonds like this. Its not just the parents that are being hurt.

    Why are our schools so bereft of men?

    you have the problem of any allegation will screw your income as well as your dreams. Thats a huge risk.

    Comment by 2c worth — Sun 8th May 2011 @ 6:08 pm

  8. If we put ourself in the position of a member of the public, I guess it is nearly impossible, if you hear someone complaining about their ex or about familycaught, to know what went on. Even if they are telling pretty much the truth, as they see it, they could easily be leaving out many details the other party would see as important.

    So in most cases, only close family know pretty much the whole truth. In many cases, maybe they don’t know the whole story either.

    Besides, history is littered with examples of men lying and leaving women in very difficult positions. These skeletons haunt our credibility.

    So, we are let down by our historical legacy. It seems to takes about 2 generations, for society to get a realistic understanding of the breadth of what is going on. Now that society is changing much faster and low quality legislation can be drafted, introduced and passed in less time than a Minister of Justice takes to hand in his resignation.

    I suggest that we should put pressure that legislation should always go through the full consultations and Subcommittee scrutiny stages. Poorly thought out and researched legislation usually serves only “judges” and lawyers.

    We need to get the majority of men onside, as presently, we are our own worst enemies. Cheers, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sun 8th May 2011 @ 9:31 pm

  9. Hi, Murray. I want to disagree with your post – LOL. Our historical legacy as men is exemplary and nothing else. And women have been lying about their lot in life throughout history.

    Yes, I agree, it’s hard to know exactly what went on. However, versions of what went on can be contrasted and compared with history and responsible conclusions based upon objective analyses of facts and data in compliance with the Scientific Method. Although understanding of the truth can get muddled in the perspectives and biases of people, there is a truth that can be ascertained and reconciled with those versions – people just have to value it enough.

    For instance, you write that “history is littered with examples of men lying and leaving women in very difficult positions”. Men doing this is very rare throughout history and if they did, then there was usually a good reason. More likely than not, he did not leave, but was driven out/away. One of the problems we face as men today is the lies women tell about men. She can abuse him, alienate his children from him, have him arrested on false allegations, destroy the financial security of him and his family, etc… and when he finally gives up and walks away in despair, she will complain that he abandoned his family and walked out on her and his children. But that’s not what really happened, is it? But many people (sheeple) will believe anything no matter how incredulous.

    In the US, prior to 1970, the incidence of divorce was less than 10% of all married couples and that was split evenly among mother initiating, father initiating and mutual initiation. And really, most mutual initiation was the mother, but the father just went along with it knowing there was nothing he could do (how often do you think two partners in a couple really spontaneously decide they want a divorce – not very). Between 1970 and today, more than 50% of marriages end in divorce and 85% of divorces are initiated by the mother for profit and to facilitate her adultery. The remaining 15% is split between father initiating and mutual initiation. But really most mutual initiation is the mother. So, really, somewhere around 95% of divorces are initiated by the mother and maybe 5% by the father. Maybe a small percent of those are really mutual. Basically, the incidence of divorce initiated by the father hasn’t changed in one-hundred years. The incidence of divorce initiated by the mother has increased by a multiple of eleven and is greater than the incidence of divorce initiated by the father also by a multiple of eleven. Or some really big number like that – when differences get to be that great, exact numbers don’t matter too much. The bottom line is they are big.

    Concerning domestic violence, that women are responsible for most instances is well established in the scientific record. And it’s the incidence of domestic violence and paternity fraud and false allegations that is responsible for the rare instances when a man really does leave a woman (that more men don’t leave women is an amazing testament to the fortitude and loyalty and honesty of men). History and science are the best representations of the truth and reality we have, and they show a history not of men abusing women and leaving them but women abusing men and leaving them or at least men sticking around to endure it.

    Comment by Darryl X — Mon 9th May 2011 @ 12:23 am

  10. Dear Darryl X, I agree with almost everything you say. However, if we are not willing to acknowledge that a great deal of wrong has been done by men (notice I am not comparing the quantity of lies by men and by women), then we will not understand the barriers to our message being heard by the general public.

    I am aware the in some case where women have been left pregnant, they were gambling on entrapment. In some cases they were naive.

    My main point is that we need to understand the difficulties that the wider voting public might have, to understanding the messages that we speak.

    We need to listen more carefully. It is a two way street!

    Thanks again, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 9th May 2011 @ 7:06 am

  11. Thanks for your reply, MB. Yes I agree that wrong has been done on both sides but I do not agree that it needs to be understood and communicated. The fact is that the kind of crimes women are guilty of are so different in quantity and quality that comparing those rare instances in the past by men and those frequent instances (so frequent as to be institutionalized) today by women is like comparing apples and oranges. The advancement of civilization will not benefit by indulging the solipsism of women – it will only benefit by condemning it and punishing it as the egregious crime it is and discouraging it.

    Furthermore, the nature of our adversaries is relevant. They are malignant narcissists and psychopaths and most of the population that is not so disposed enable them. They are incapable of communicating. They have no conscience. They are incapable of empathy, remorse, shame or guilt. They have no analytical skills. They are compulsive pathological liars. They are opportunistic and criminally self-serving. They are addicted to power, control and sex. They are solipsistic. They are short-sighted and incapable of long-term planning. They use language as an implement with which to commit their crimes. They are parasitic. They cannot reconcile their emotional response to a situation with their intellectual response (if there even is any and there mostly is not). They cannot be negotiated with or compromised with. They are praxiologically evil and they are abundant and growth of their abundance is Biblical.

    So trying to communicate with them is pointless. They must be destroyed either directly or indirectly. There is no social, legal or political solution to the problems that they are. For example, in the US, there is a group in California, which is actively reforming family law. The problem is that the law wasn’t the problem before. It was the enforcement. Although I have admired the initiative and conviction of this group, their efforts are wasted because any new laws will simply be abused too. That’s the problem with malignant narcissists and psychopaths. They are addicted to defrauding people and no matter what measures or mechanisms are in place to protect people from them, they will manipulate those mechanisms to their own advantage even though they know it is wrong.

    It is not a two-way street. There is no communication. The public doesn’t care and they do not understand nor are they capable of understanding. Most of them profit considerably from defrauding fathers and children somehow. It’s us against the world and the sooner people on this site undertand the nature of our enemy, the faster we will come to grips with the necessary solutions to the problem. Although I admire your benevolence and desire to believe that a majority of people can be reasoned with and pursuaded of the truth and to do the right thing, it is unrealistic and naive.

    When a court defrauds a father and his children, it is the judge doing it with the active consent of the community. That community already understands that what it is doing is wrong. It doesn’t care. Pleading for reason by you or me or anyone simply encourages it because it interprets your plea as evidence of its success and encourages to do more faster and worse. Everytime someone writes an artical in a magazine about the horrible abuses of family law (if it ever does get published), most people do not say, “Awww, how horrible, I can’t believe that is happening and that I am partly responsible. What can I do to stop this atrocity?” No – they say, “Wow we’re really screwing those fathers and children now. What more can I do to them to make more money and enslave them more?” Really, that’s what they say. I don’t want it to be true and for a long time was like you and didn’t believe it. But it is the truth. And the faster everyone here realizes it, the faster a solution can be implemented that actually accomplishes something. The longer we wait, the less likely a solution will be found.

    But first you must understand and acknowledge the true nature of the enemy, no matter how horrible that truth may be.

    Comment by Darryl X — Mon 9th May 2011 @ 8:36 am

  12. I am genuinely impressed with the profound wisdom expressed in this post by Phantom. More people need to understand that government interference in the family for profit and adultery is antithetical to civilization. Laws and behavior that has destroyed the family is responsible directly and in a dramatic way for collapse of our economy, funneling money from the poor to the wealthy elite and governments and Central Banks. This dynamic must stop.

    Comment by Darryl X — Thu 19th May 2011 @ 3:56 am

  13. I have been concerned that the revolutions in Egypt were going to promote the Central Banks and destruction of families and empower women to do that. As someone in Egypt, can you address this concern of mine. If it is not the case and you think that the revolutions will make it better for men and families, then great. Has the government in Egypt in the past promoted feminism and condemned men and fathers and families or has it made it easier for men and fathers to support families and keep them together? I’m not that familiar with family law of Egypt past or present. Thanks in advance.

    Comment by Darryl X — Thu 19th May 2011 @ 4:04 am

  14. If a goal of the revolutions in Egypt is to stop feminism and discourage the Central Banks and the governments from destroying families, people in your country should broadcast this intention. I think you would get consdiderable support from the “West”.

    Comment by Darryl X — Thu 19th May 2011 @ 4:10 am

  15. The US can always use international support for our campaign to help fathers and children, including New Zealand and Egypt.

    Below is a link to a Facebook campaign called “SAVE THE TURNIPS”.

    A turnip is a non-custodial father who has been imprisoned for being too poor to pay the excessive child support ordered from him. Other fathers have other serious problems imposed upon them because of corrupt and dysfunctional family law. If you get a chance, please visit this web-site and support or campaign to “SAVE THE TURNIPS” and promote fathers and their children. I’m sure in Egypt as important a resource as the internet was in your revolution, you can appreciate how valuable your support would be to us in the US. Tell your friends too. Anyone who understands the importance of fathers and their children and recognizes the abuses of family law, governments and Central Banks can visit and support us. The support of countries like Egypt and New Zealand would be especially appreciated given your current efforts and successes.


    Comment by Darryl X — Thu 19th May 2011 @ 4:22 am

  16. Feminism is a political hate campaign manipulated by the Central Banks to transfer vast wealth from the poor to the rich and to create a “one-world” government.

    Canada is a feminized country that scholars like Erin Pizzey regard as “the most dangerous country in the world” because of its feminist regime. Leaders in the US and Canada and elsewhere are planning to unite Canada and the US and possibly Mexico as a single country and “security zone” (a very feminized one). I am concerned about this development because many men in the US are political prisoners of a feminist regime, incarcerated in state and federal prisons for child support arrears for which they can never be expected to pay, and for false allegations of domestic violence and child abuse and rape (among other nonsensical excused for imprisonment). Those not imprisoned are enslaved, not allowed to leave the country and condemned to poverty because they are men, and their children are used as the excuses to impoverish them, even though there are alternatives to imprisonment and poverty that support the children and the men. It is just to transfer vast wealth to the rich and the feminists.

    Anti-feminism is not anti-women (as many feminists want to portray it), as women make unique contributions to civilization and culture, which should be respected. Feminism is based upon lies and propaganda, enslaving men and women.

    I am grateful for continued efforts of people in Egypt and other countries to stop feminism from destroying civilization. Countries like Egypt (and the US) face many challenges in the future, but the most important one is feminism. It must be stopped.

    I encourage you to communicate to your leaders (if you are not one) the importance of stopping feminism from taking over your country and invest everything you can in stopping manipulation of feminism by the Central Banks. Or just keeping the Central Banks out of Egypt and your neighboring countries in the Region. They are wholly destructive.

    Comment by Darryl X — Sat 21st May 2011 @ 12:38 am

  17. Again, I encourage everyone to visit the “SAVE THE TURNIPS” Facebook campaign to free innocent fathers in THE US who are political prisoners of a feminist regime.

    ALmost all these men have been imprisoned for excessive child support arrears they cannot ever expect to realistically pay off. The excessive orders for child support were imposed upon them for no other purpose but enslavement of the fathers.

    Their own children were kidnapped and held hostage for ransom by the mothers and the government (feminists). During the past forty years in the US, approximately 50-million (yes, fifty) children have been forcibly separated from approximately 30-million (yes, thirty) fathers. Almost none of these fathers or their children have done anything wrong. Common excuses for the forcible separation are false allegations by mothers of domestic violence and child abuse by fathers. These excuses contradict considerable volumes of scientific evidence that mothers and women are responsible for most domestic violence and child abuse. The real reasons mothers and the government (feminists) separate children from fathers is for profit and to facilitate the mother’s adultery.

    In the US, states collect approximately fifty cents in federal subsidies for every dollar in child support transferred from a father to a mother. So, there is a financial incentive for states to separate children from their fathers and to order excessive child support so great that the father can’t afford to pay. Then when he can’t pay, they throw him in prison.

    During the past forty years, approximately nine-million men have been in prison for child support arrears. During the past forty years, approximately 200,000 men are jailed per year for child support arrears. Passports and driver licences have been suspended or revoked for many more.

    During the last three years, approximately 15% (fifteen) of children born in the US are to unidentified fathers. The mother has misidentified the father for another 10% (ten) – that’s paternity fraud. The fathers are unknown for approximately 25% (twenty-five) of children born in the US during the past three years. Unconscionable!!!

    Also, during the past three years, approximately two-thirds of all children in the US were born out of wedlock. These developments are all the consequences of feminism.


    Comment by Darryl X — Sat 21st May 2011 @ 1:08 am

  18. Hope I’m not writing out of turn here, but I want to communicate to others the atrocities of feminism and articulate the reasons why it must be stopped.

    Comment by Darryl X — Sat 21st May 2011 @ 1:10 am

  19. Have you heard? More great news from “the front”. Current mass protests in Spain are the same as ones in Iceland several years ago that brought down the government and stopped a bailout of the banks. Those protests in Spain also have spread to Italy. Could these protests bring down the governments in Spain and Italy (and other places) stop the governments from bailing out the banks, who have been manipulating the feminists to destroy civilization. Let’s hope so.

    Comment by Darryl X — Sat 21st May 2011 @ 4:15 am

  20. Man I just saw my comments removed from the moderator, the real problem in your country that you can criticize God but you can’t criticize them, you became slave to them, I have written about some very well known conspiracy theory about the moon landing hoax and the nuclear weapons hoax what’s wrong about that?

    Comment by Phantom — Sat 21st May 2011 @ 7:10 am

  21. Probably getting a bit far afield – LOL. Hang in there.

    Comment by Darryl X — Sat 21st May 2011 @ 7:34 am

  22. Conspiracy theories of any description are not on-topic for this site.

    Comment by JohnPotter — Mon 23rd May 2011 @ 8:11 am

  23. Bottom line, your country is remote, rugged with mountains, you have your basic needs of food, you must start the resistance before your country vanish, and befor the New Zealand family becomes part of history. Group yourselves and start the resistance you brave men.

    Comment by Phantom — Mon 23rd May 2011 @ 3:01 pm

  24. Those zionist bankers are humiliating you to the extreme, before men were fighting wars to protect their families, now they turned you to a status equal to pigs because only pigs allow a man entering a house asking the father of that family to sleep with their daughter and he calls himself a boyfriend.

    Comment by Phantom — Mon 23rd May 2011 @ 3:26 pm

  25. I believe New Zealand will make history with its brave men. Save your children.

    Comment by Phantom — Mon 23rd May 2011 @ 3:42 pm

  26. Hi Phantom- we were thinking about starting a Mens’ Brave Resistance, but the Jewish bankers who lend us the millions we need, to support our welfare state, might threaten to stop lending.
    Also, we would have to get permission from the women who run the country, they might not approve.
    We wouldn’t want to miss the Rugby World Cup either,
    so we’ll probably pass on the revolution this time, thanks.

    Comment by John Brett — Mon 23rd May 2011 @ 4:29 pm

  27. You are most welcome 🙂

    Comment by Phantom — Mon 23rd May 2011 @ 4:44 pm

  28. The New Zealand family is ALREADY part of history. The modern family generally consists of a woman, children and the government. Men are no longer considered a valuable part of the family unit. Sure some women will SAY we are, but most of the time this is simply not true, and our government certainly doesn’t think men have any value in families, if they did they wouldn’t seek to destroy the family unit like they have by creating incentives for family break-up.

    The idea of men being a part of the family unit is simply outdated thinking, in a similar manner to modern beliefs about marriage, which are still stuck for many people in 1950s paradigms. Many men STILL have the idea that marriage is actually a good idea, and the natural on flow in a relationship with a woman they love. But it’s basically a modern con job, the largest and most lucrative sting in existence, netting billions of dollars into women’s pockets by destroying men’s lives, making promises that there are no obligations to keep, there is simply no reason for an informed man to marry, it is the institution of the ignorant and naieve. Marriage has been destroyed, men have been removed from the family, and children and society has only BEGUN to suffer from the effects, the worst is yet to come.
    If you want an idea of where Western Society is headed, look to the past – not one society where women have gained a great level of power has survived, not one. Western society will be no exception.

    Comment by Mr. Anonymous — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 12:51 am

  29. Manipulating religious differences is one way Central Banks have exploited populations for transferring wealth. I discourage division along religious lines because we all promote families and regard them as fundamental to civilization and better lives, whether they be Muslim, Jewish, Christian or Buddhist. Central Banks have been so successful destroying families with feminism because we are so divided by religion – even religions with the same origins and parables and only the most subtle of differences. I am disappointed in these divisions. A more encouraging quality of revolution in Northern Africa and the Middle East (and other places) has been the apparent tolerance of people born to different religious philosophy while aspiring to advance civilization by eliminating the destructive consequences of feminism. Sometimes I’m a bit too idealistic, though.

    Comment by Darryl X — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 5:14 am

  30. Well written, Mr A…

    Comment by Darryl X — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 5:17 am

  31. Sorry, JP…

    Comment by Darryl X — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 5:39 am

  32. Marriage has been destroyed, men have been removed from the family, and children and society has only BEGUN to suffer from the effects, the worst is yet to come.

    …and as a society we lack the discipline to foresee the future. As smokers, drinkers and over-eaters indulge their pleasures, little by little, they fail to see the long term consequences. Similarly, the politicians and feminist movement dwell in their minor victories of the moment with precisely no view to their future effect. Those of us who take the time to ponder the future already know that the neglect of men is leading to the absolute failure of society and community. Begs one big question; what is driving the men of Christchurch to rebuild?

    Comment by Bruce S — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 9:18 am

  33. I see our solo mother raised Prime Minister’s government is looking seriously to axe the fledgling Families Commission (Not that they did anything to promote families as in those social units which include fathers).
    Instead they want to set up a Ministry for Children.
    I can’t help but notice that more than a little symbolic.

    Apparently John Key’s crowd don’t see the family as valuable enough to have it’s own commission, let alone a ministry.

    Ministry of Women’s Affairs – yep
    Ministry of Maori Affairs – yep
    Ministry of Pacific Island Affairs – yep
    Ministry for Children – being set up.
    Family Ministry – NO
    Men’s Ministry – NO

    That’s sending us a clear message.
    Women, Children and ethnic minorities important.
    Men and intact families – not important.

    Of course feminists will wrongly trot out stupid dogma that because parliament mainly consists of male politicians that men are already represented. That would hold water if you overlook the fact that most women sensibly avoid getting into politics (why bother when government already cradles you to superior longevity and you get the pussy pass all over the place?) and if most male politicians weren’t playing the numbers game by sucking up to the majority demographic block of voters in the country (WOMEN)and flexing their chivalric muscles to prop women up whilst simultaneously standing on the necks of their brothers.

    And for a closer look at where government sponsored defathered neighborhoods trend towards check out many black communities in USA.
    You won’t see many kids becoming financial traders and prime ministers there.

    Comment by Skeptik — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 9:33 am

  34. Seriously, you must be thinking of this right now, live one day like a lion and don’t live 1000 days like sheep

    Comment by Phantom — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 11:07 am

  35. That’s a good aphorism.

    Comment by Darryl X — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 11:53 am

  36. News, News, fathers in Cairo, Egypt yesterday after 8 days of continous 24 hours demonstrations in front of Azhar (the biggest Islamic government institution which is infilitrated by pro zionists since long time and who is fighting to keep the 2000, 2005 laws of the ex first lady for lifetime custody of children with mother which raised divorce rates sharply fron 10% to 50% and Azhar is fighting to keep the humilation and to keep girls as possible away from their father so they commit adultry)
    the father have blocked the main road in Cairo for the second time yesterday and they decided to join the second revolution of Tahrir square on 27 May.
    I am asking you a favour, I think it is a good idea since we have a big media bias against us and the coverage is low I believe it will be excellent if you can make a demonstration for Egypt fathers, to show support for our rights, and this may also make American fathers to do another demonstration and so on, to start a worldwide movement what about that? Can you start one? even if it is limited we just need New Zealand media attention.

    Comment by Phantom — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 6:37 pm

  37. Actually it is 1000 years

    Comment by Phantom — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 7:02 pm

  38. Phantom,
    Thanks for your concern.

    Fathers in NZ have already demonstrated many times over many years about the lack of due process you refer to.
    Outside the homes of ‘family’ ‘court’ judges, outside the ‘courts’, outside the offices of politicians.
    All to no avail.
    The best that the head of the NZ ‘family’ ‘court’ Patrick Mahoney can come up with is to stereotype fathers as hotheads who need a center to go to (euphemism for temporary supervision and detention centers)in order to calm down and passively accept their situation (getting shafted).

    On the contrary there’s been massive amounts of both active and passive resistance from the powers that be to the very sensible and humane Men’s/Father’s Rights agenda for improving family stability and children’s welfare:

    * overturning unilateral ‘no fault’ divorce
    * opening up the kangaroo ‘family’ ‘courts’ to public scrutiny and
    * punishing false accusers
    * providing much more efficient and timely services for fathers
    * enforcing father’s visitation rights
    * joint custody of children by both parents as a starting point
    * realistic levels of ‘child support’
    * the acceptance of DNA evidence for or against paternity of children
    * verdicts by jury, not one solitary easily swayed judge

    The inescapable sad fact is that the vast majority of NZers don’t care enough about men and fathers to be bothered.
    Fatherhood ISN’T valued enough for most NZers to pay attention to the kinds of demonstrations you call for.
    A more sensible demonstration about the lack of father’s/men’s rights in NZ is for men to avoid becoming fathers in the first place.
    Several smart NZ men I know are already doing this.
    As more join them pain will be felt by those addicted to the current misandric system until they kick their habit.
    Until then expect more institutionalized misandry and de-fathering of kids in NZ.

    Comment by Skeptik — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 7:41 pm

  39. Great article at link below about systemic politicization of rape charges and Julian Assange.

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 2:20 am

  40. The link I reference above is by STEPHEN BASKERVILLE – a leader in the anti-feminist movement with considerable number of articles and books about the consequences of feminism for families, fathers, children and civilization (and even women). If you have not already, I encourage you to read his other articles and books for comprehensive analysis.

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 2:29 am

  41. In addition to the article, I encourage readers to read comments afterward by other leading anti-feminists, including David Usher. They are as insightful as the article itself.

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 2:54 am

  42. Dear Phantom- Are you REALLY sure about these “Zionists” being the cause? Who are they anyway? Most Jews I know are really good, family people. Jesus Christ was a Jew! What if they think that it is US that’s the problem? How about you stop hiding behind an alias, tell us your name, tell us your circustances and history, instead of trying to start a custard pie fight.

    Comment by John Brett — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 8:34 am

  43. News, news, the head of family rescue movement in Egypt filed a police complaint against the head of Azhar (the higher “Islamic organization” government official because he told him and other “I am happy until I lived to see men humiliated!!!”.

    Comment by Phantom — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 9:03 am

  44. I discourage division among religions but I am inspired by resistance to feminism in Egypt. I was concerned that revolutions there and throughout Northern Africa and the Middle East may make the region vulnerable to feminism and invasion by the Central Banks. I’m not so worried now. In the war against feminism, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 11:37 am

  45. and I am very proud to have an honorable man from New Zealand like you. One day we will both be celebrating whether in Cairo or in Wellington together with our children with us. and incha Allah (God willing) that day is not too far from today.

    Comment by Phantom — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 12:48 pm

  46. agreed

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 2:19 pm

  47. Do you have children, Phantom?

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 25th May 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  48. Phantom is being moderated from now on.
    Only comments which directly relate to the topic of the Post/page they are on will be approved.

    Comment by JohnPotter — Fri 27th May 2011 @ 7:38 pm

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