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The Process of Radicalization

Filed under: Gender Politics,General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 6:13 pm Tue 3rd May 2011

Following the reported assassination of Osama Bin Laden, a Radio NZ National Radio interview this morning with Marc Sageman, a former CIA operations manager with the Afghan task force, was interesting. I quote:

“Well, the process of radicalisation is a two-step process; one, you join a protest counter-culture against the discrimination and persecution of Muslims worldwide, but this is not terrorism, this is very much a protest, this is legal; and then when you realise that your legal forms of protest are totally ineffective in the face of great atrocity, and usually those are innocent Muslims dying abroad, what people call collateral damage, people decide to actually, out of moral outrage, to do more, and they decide to take things into their own hands. They think that non-violent protest is just talk, talk, talk, totally ineffective, and they appoint themselves as soldiers protecting this worldwide community, and then proceed along the turn to political violence. So this is the process.”

It seems to me that the feminist war against men is full of great atrocities. Men are thrown in prison for long durations, essentially political prisoners under feminist dictate. Men are sent to their death in great numbers in various occupational roles for which they are then scorned and resented by feminists because, for example, they earn slightly more on average than do women in much safer occupational roles. And, unlike Muslims (except perhaps in a few middle-eastern areas) the discrimination and persecution against men is done blatantly, now enshrined in the laws of feminist states, and is done on the basis of men’s gender rather than the actuality of each man’s behaviour. Legal protest, talk, talk, talk is what men are trying to do about it, but that is unlikely to continue for much longer.

A small illustration of feminist persecution in today’s news: According to the story, Mark Coldicutt, a man who had given 25 years of his life to volunteer firefighting to protect his community in Hastings, was out partying on New Years Eve when he saw, in a bar, a woman whom he had known for many years and who had previously engaged in casual sex with him. At about 4am he walked to her house, entered through her unlocked door, slipped into bed with her and tried to lift her clothing.

Well, that’s NOT OK and he needs to know that. But in my opinion, if this was a first offence (likely, since no mention was made of previous offending), a sensible and humane society would give this man a warning for what appeared to be an ill-considered, alcohol-affected but probably benign attempt to seduce a woman who had previously demonstrated willingness to have casual sex with him. He may have been brought readily to realize that the woman found his visit unpleasant and unwanted, and a warning would probably have caused him to avoid any similarly misguided efforts at seduction in future. If the Court did not believe he recognized his error, I would support perhaps a conviction and fine to bring home the point. However, I would not support his name going on a sex offenders’ register yet that is what feminist law will do to encourage life-long extrajudicial punishment for his rather harmless mistake. But we don’t have a sensible, humane society towards men; we have feminist law. He was sentenced to 2 years 8 months in prison. I cannot be certain because I was not present at the trial, but my guess is that the woman’s previous sexual behaviour with this man was not allowed to be mentioned because that is one of the ways in which feminist law now prevents accused men from explaining their actions to help the Court gain some reasonable understanding of them.

Mr Coldicutt’s prison sentence was much longer than a first offender might receive for kicking another man’s head so as to cause permanent neurological damage. Even kicking a man to death when you have already knocked him unconscious was seen by the Court as deserving only 2 years 10 months in prison.

Ah yes, but a mistaken attempt to seduce a woman, touching her gently without explicit permission (but desisting as soon as she objects), thinking to give her a pleasant surprise but instead giving her a fright, now that’s really serious. Feminists no doubt would prefer the death penalty for any man who shows such effrontery. Well, when we treat stalwarts of selfless contribution to society in the manner Mr Coldicutt has been treated, we are creating legions of bitter, angry men. Their ranks are fast growing as other men become aware of what’s happening. As men mobilize, increasingly violent repression and widespread killing of men will soon be feminism’s only recourse.


  1. Hans,
    Thank you for yet another worthy thought provoking post.
    It is indeed alarming that this man got the very similar length of sentence that a killer got.
    I notice no comment from the ‘sensible’ sentencing mob on that point!
    It sends a strong message to society that crimes against women are held in a conspicuously special category which receives harsher punishment.
    The unspoken law therefore is that women are much more valuable than men.
    Nothing new there.
    The wheels of a feminist judiciary grind on.
    Indeed Minister of justice Simon Power irrationally resists the entirely sensible notion of getting rid of special category of crime named ‘male assaults female’ which elevates women ABOVE men as deserving of their own special victimhood.
    Still we know feminists cling to irrational beliefs like Neville Robertson’s parroting the ‘1 in 4 women experience sexual violence, rule of thumb’ nonsense.
    It’s a bizarre 1980s radical feminist time warp in NZ still apparently.

    The mobilization you talk of is an interesting thing.
    It’s not like masses of men are hitting the streets in protest.
    As I understand it, it is very often taking the more sensible route of passive resistance.
    No point in directly confronting an oppressive leviathan is there?
    So increasingly men become part of what has been labelled the ghost nation and become men going their own way – as one man put it –

    “Enlightened men know the real deal. Smart men don’t sign a legally binding contract with a potential shrew in a male hating society. Our family courts and family court judges are basically dreck. They are just exploiting the system and using men/fathers like modern day slaves. Many western/“entitled” women are just willing participants who support this scam. I believe a growing number of men will continue to either “ghost”(safe route), game(dangerous route) or look for better options outside of the poisoned western/feminized world. Men just have to stay in that country to have the best chances of making things work long term. The bottom line for smart men in America? Just say “no” to this crap deal and GYOW.

    The radicalization of disaffected men (a term I prefer rather than bitter) then gets overlooked by many, politicians included, as apart from the occasional public manifestation like Fathers for Justice protests on the surface all appears fine with men.

    More and more males do withdraw to the margins however, disinterested in any longer contributing as much as they otherwise would to oppressive feminist society and they ‘drop out’.
    They find increasing ways to withdraw support for feminist-chivalrist oligarchies thus weakening those systems by incrementally denying them valuable social and economic capital.
    I’m a classic example of that myself.
    My considerable intellect and productivity, which could have been used for several years now by New Zealand has been taken elsewhere to a place where the laws and conventions which apply to me aren’t so obviously misandric.
    That’s a loss for New Zealand which gets multiplied every time a man (or woman) makes a similar decision to relocate so as to stop supporting a corrupt system.

    Personally I think you, as a rational, caring and courageous man deserve much more than life in New Zealand as it is.
    This leads me to the question – “Hans, Why do you stay in New Zealand?”

    Comment by Skeptic — Tue 3rd May 2011 @ 7:50 pm

  2. Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Skeptic. I’m sure you’re right that the process will continue for some time yet of men dropping out, underachieving, under-contributing to society, and indeed harming and killing themselves due to their demoralization. However, the process of radicalization will pick up speed very quickly once it’s underway, and I sense that time is approaching with increasing acceleration. In the end, men are strong, brave and resourceful, and they won’t put up with the current nonsense forever.

    The reasons I stay in NZ are firstly that my teenage children still live here, I love them both, they need me around and I love to increase my debts by showering them with what I can after the state taxes me twice, and secondly, my aged, demented mother is still alive here and needs my frequent support.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 3rd May 2011 @ 8:33 pm

  3. I’m gob smacked. You only get two months more for killing a man by kicking them in the head that what you do if you have been a bit of a dick over an old girl friend. Sure does put a value on a man’s life and a woman’s virtue eh?

    Comment by Tony J — Tue 3rd May 2011 @ 8:49 pm

  4. And it isn’t just our disaffected and deprived and marginalized youth that will become radicalized. I’m educated, accomplished and middle-aged and a radical!!! But I don’t call it “radical”: I call it desperate. Too many men and boys have nothing left to lose. I think it’s important to distinguish the two – radical and desperate.

    Comment by Darryl X — Wed 4th May 2011 @ 3:14 am

  5. This is the Official Online (Youtube) Release of “Zeitgeist: Moving Forward” by Peter Joseph. [30 subtitles ADDED!]

    On Jan. 15th, 2011, “Zeitgeist: Moving Forward” was released theatrically to sold out crowds in 60 countries; 31 languages; 295 cities and 341 Venues. It has been noted as the largest non-profit independent film release in history.

    This is a non-commercial work and is available online for free viewing and no restrictions apply to uploading/download/posting/linking – as long as no money is exchanged.

    A Free DVD Torrent of the full 2 hr and 42 min film in 30 languages is also made available through the main website [below], with instructions on how one can download and burn the movie to DVD themselves. His other films are also freely available in this format.

    It is worth taking to watch the movie if you care about your children and the world around you.

    Comment by David Hardy — Wed 4th May 2011 @ 10:41 am

  6. The correct comprehension of basic facts about the world around us starts with the realisation that we live in a feminist dictatorship. 4 previous comments show correct thinking.

    Femi-imperialist wars against traditional societies are the beginning of the end of feminist dictatorship, because they point the only way to fight back, which all can easily understand.

    Comment by Ivan Zverkov — Wed 4th May 2011 @ 10:44 am

  7. Ask yourself. What has peaceful methods to bring about change achieved for fathers in NZ or any western country? The answer to this question should be a concern to our political leaders. However it is not evident that it is of concern to them.

    I am not proposing violence. However a campaign of civil disobedience worked for Gandhi.

    Comment by Vman — Fri 6th May 2011 @ 2:38 pm

  8. Hi Vman,
    A ‘campaign’ of sorts IS underway.
    I won’t claim it’s co-ordinated, organized in any official way.
    But it is growing as a natural consequence of feminist oppression.

    Comment by Skeptic — Fri 6th May 2011 @ 6:46 pm

  9. That first link is awesome, thank you. Bookmarked for later :).
    You might want to redo the second link though. You’ve accidentally placed two website addresses together in that link.

    Comment by Wayne — Fri 6th May 2011 @ 7:21 pm

  10. Yes Skeptic I am part of that “campaign” at least as far as MGTOW is concerned.

    Comment by Vman — Fri 6th May 2011 @ 9:16 pm

  11. Actually, civil disobedience didn’t work for Ghandi – look at India today – what a mess. There are sociological reasons for that.

    Anyway, Vman, just a quick response to your post. Our circumstances do not concern our political leaders. Our circumstances are evidence for them of their successful oppression of us. They want us down. They have no reason to be concerned. They are succeeding in their goals and our complaint is evidence of their success. Of course, no one wants violence to solve a problem, but sometimes that’s the only way to stop oppression. As much violence as necessary and as little as possible.

    In a letter to John Adams in 1823, Thomas Jefferson wrote about the necessity of violent revolution – “To attain all this (universal republicanism), however, rivers of blood must yet flow, and years of desolation pass over; yet the object is worth rivers of blood, and years of desolation.” Thomas Jefferson was a strong proponent of violent revolution to maintain liberty. Nothing has changed and our oppressors will never stop until they have been eliminated.

    The only way to stop our current oppressors (malignant narcissists and psychopaths that they are) is through violent and bloody revolution. It has gotten that bad – if you don’t think so, it’s only because you’re like a frog being boiled and it has happened so slowly you don’t notice. In the United States during the past forty years of feminist oppression, 52-million children have been forcibly separated from 36-million fathers (half those children never see their fathers again). Nine-million men have been incarcerated for child support arrears. Approximately 200-thousand men are in prison who are not just innocent of rape, but for rapes that never occurred. Tens of millions of honest and hard-working men have been driven to poverty and the street. Millions of men are incarcerated as political prisoners (more than any other country in the world and no one even knows it because the US propaganda machine is so good at lying). Approximately 10% of all children currently are victims of paternity fraud. During the past three years, 25% of all children born in the US don’t even know who their fathers are – the mothers defrauded the fathers and the children or didn’t know who the father was so couldn’t list him on a birth certificate. The list goes on.

    It’s time for a revolution and a very violent one.

    Comment by Darryl X — Fri 6th May 2011 @ 11:00 pm

  12. Sometimes an article or blog post seems so incisive I want to share it in it’s entirety.
    Here is just such a posting from a Guy in USA called ‘Dragnet’ It’s from a discussion board which is reviewing Kay Hymowitz’s new book ‘Manning up, How the rise of women has turned men into boys’ and her New York Times follow up piece ‘Where have all the good men gone?’.

    To read the whole article and thread you can go here.

    Dragnet gives a view which is essentially what I would be saying to all young men and women in feminist cultures –

    “She (Hymowitz) admits that the modern young man is “free as men have never been free before,” but gives no suggestions as to changes that could be made to encourage men to invest in families and careers before they’ve had their fill of beer and sluts.”

    This is key. For some reason, people don’t think in terms of incentives when it comes to men as a demographic. But the only way to get people to do anything is to provide incentives-that’s how human beings work.

    The reason men don’t “man up” is because it’s not really in their interests to do so. Attempting to browbeat them into manning up (providing only a negative incentive) is not sufficient, you need to provide some reward (positive incentive) for them having done so. Previous iterations of human civilization have done this: the negative incentive was the shame, infamy and denial of status to men who didn’t “man up”, and the positive incentive was that they would marry young, fertile women and head families with their paternity largely guaranteed thus giving them a stake in society. These days, the shame part of the equation is still very much intact, but the positive incentive has completely withered”¦and yet men are expected to behave the same? I’m not saying that we should necessarily go back to the positive incentives of yesteryear-I don’t have much desire to be a pack mule for a nagging (if young and attractive) wife and mewling children only to drop dead at 45 from work-related stress, a hideous death in battle, etc. even if it means I get to be nominally in charge at home-just not a worthy trade-off, in my view. But those positive incentives must be replaced with something. If we don’t want to turn back the clock a bit that’s really fine by me but then we’re going to have to get creative and find other ways to incentivize men-we just don’t seem to be interested in doing that.

    Whenever I read stuff like how men should “man up”, part of the reason I’m so put off is that it’s clearly an attempt to bully me into doing something that will benefit others at their expense”¦without providing men any incentive to go against their own interests. Everything in our society acknowledges the necessity of incentives for all manner of demographics but not for men, not really.
    To ignore this basic human need in men is, well, vaguely dehumanizing.

    Women got to redefine what it means to be a woman”¦but apparently being a man is supposed to be more-or-less the same as it always was. Eh, fuck that.

    Superbly stated.
    Thank you Dragnet.

    Comment by Skeptik — Tue 24th May 2011 @ 9:07 am

  13. A WIKKI website set up for men’s issues, but which started out as German but is now also in English.
    It CANNOT be trolled, tampered with or overrun by feminist ideologues and is rapidly building a database of research and references to articles and publications which puts forward a Men’s Rights Antifeminist knowledge base.
    It’s a major focal points for a rapidly growing Men’s Rights Movement in Germany where there are reports of a full blown Men’s marriage strike in place.

    I think it will be very useful, increasingly so over time for those who want to research Men’s issues for academic purposes, or simply to get more informed about MRA activity in Europe.

    ‘Mann’ in German means man in English.

    For those who missed it, here’s a link to a very comprehensive series of powerful videos from UK.

    Don’t assume it doesn’t relate to NZ though.
    I’ve viewed the complete series and the parallels are chilling as those who view it will discover for themselves.

    Comment by Skeptik — Fri 16th September 2011 @ 8:32 pm

  14. @Skeptik – Awesome.

    Comment by Darryl X — Fri 16th September 2011 @ 10:59 pm

  15. Hi Skeptic.

    I tried to go to that wikimannia URL but my anti-virus software is telling me the following:
    ‘website can transmit malicious software or has been involved in online scams or fraud.’

    Perhaps you can let the owners know somehow, as it may be real or it may be that someone is trying to stop access….

    Comment by noconfidenceinNZfamilycourt — Sat 17th September 2011 @ 12:29 pm

  16. I’ve jst accessed the site no problems.
    in any case I’ve passed your message onto the folks at

    I’ve just tested the link I created above too, and no problems arriving at the site.

    Comment by Skeptic — Sat 17th September 2011 @ 1:04 pm

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