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Child Support – Dunnes moves a 20th Century Solution

Filed under: Child Support,General — Scrap_The_CSA @ 9:55 pm Wed 9th May 2012

Paul Jenkins is a name we should not forget. It confirms what we all know, child tax enforcement is draconian, brutal and drives dads to kill themselves.

Ask yourself the question: What does the IRD do? IRD is the revenue collection department, the tax woman. Its reason for existence is to collect money from citizens. It’s the Department that collects child tax. Its who advises Dunne so there is little surprise with the tinkering to the child tax act that Peter is promoting.

The whole purpose of the change is to increase compliance at the least cost for the highest return. This bill is not about making fundamental changes its a few baubles, packaged together to insure you comply.

Why are child support payments to be compulsorily deducted from salary and wages?
Paying parents will have their payments automatically deducted from their salary to ensure that as many child support payments as possible are made, and made on time

This legislation and analysis that led to the tinkering is still focused on the “same old, same old” Taxing Liable Parents via a formula assessment, a system that has failed worldwide because of the assumptions used to create the system.

Those assumptions include; Parental responsibility aka benefit recovery, income equalisation, all dads are deadbeats, one size fits all, imaginary incomes, the cost raising children……. These assumptions lead to the tinkering Dunne is proposing. It is nothing more than a 20th century solution, already out of date.

The Government’s concern is about increasing the fairness of the child support system. Although it is recognised that, for some parents, changes to the formula will result in lower amounts being received, any move to a revised formula would be made with the aim of reducing current inequities to ensure the system is more balanced, that paying parents honour their responsibilities to their children and that it is perceived to be fairer overall. It should also be noted that the other (non-formula) changes to the child support scheme are designed to improve child support payment rates, meaning that more receiving parents will receive child support payments than is currently the case

Read the info from IRD and get ready for action.




  1. … The child support system should reflect this expectation, whilst also providing better incentives to pay,’ Mr Dunne said

    Better incentive to pay to me means charging more penalties and dunne sats the CS schemme provides financial assistance to 210,000 children yet they only receive $637 million.
    The govt recieves $1,668 million.
    The CS scheme is nothing but a moneymaking racket for the govt and they are only making changes to increase its revenue.You’ll never see a govt do anything to receive less money.

    Comment by Ford — Wed 9th May 2012 @ 10:50 pm

  2. “…that paying parents honour their responsibilities to their children…”

    It’s a quaint idea, but I think it belongs to a bygone era when fathers actually were the head of household, controlled the family finances and had some ability to balance the demands of his dependents with the supply of his income.

    Whatever will Mr. Dunne come up with next? That women should not have the vote?

    Comment by rc — Thu 10th May 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  3. Reply to rc #2

    Now in today’s western European feminist society..The Father will have asked the feminist control government departments/state to get ‘permission’to even see his own children….And heavens forbid if ‘He’ the birth Father dare to give a loving Hug to his child/Children ….He will arrested and charged on the spot as a ‘pedophile’

    Your comment rc…’Whatever will Mr. Dunne come up with next? That women should not have the vote?’

    Beg to differ with you rc…..Feminist lover ‘Mangina’ Mr Peter Dunne will say this…’That ‘Men’ should not have the right to vote?’

    Kind regards John Dutchie …Free at long last……..

    Comment by John Dutchie — Thu 10th May 2012 @ 1:17 pm

  4. #3..1 thing i have never done john and thats hug my kids in public.thats asking for trouble

    Comment by Ford — Thu 10th May 2012 @ 2:05 pm

  5. and 99.9% of the time the woman has lied to keep the children

    Comment by Ford — Thu 10th May 2012 @ 6:58 pm

  6. Ford, were you meaning lie on her back, or tell untruths as if they were true?
    MurrayBacon – maniacal tax murderer.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 10th May 2012 @ 9:34 pm

  7. lying while shes lying

    Comment by Ford — Thu 10th May 2012 @ 10:10 pm

  8. A respectful question to John Potter…Why was a comment concerning a ‘plight of an American father’ deleted from this post…????

    Kind regards John Dutchie….. Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Fri 11th May 2012 @ 3:06 pm

  9. Extracted from Hansard

    HOLLY WALKER (Green):

    I turn now to the aspects of the bill that the Green Party has concerns about, and the reasons, on balance, why we have decided not to support this bill…..
    I do wonder to what extent some aspects of this bill that appear to be really designed to placate non-custodial parents have been influenced by the very vocal and grumpy fathers groups out there on the fringes. I think they are epitomised by the notorious self-styled dad4justice in the blogosphere, whom members may be familiar with. These are the fathers who view their children effectively as their chattels, and they have made it very clear through their actions that their motivations are not what is in the best interest of their children but their own self-perceived rights, including the minimising of their child support obligations.

    Comment by Down Under — Sat 12th May 2012 @ 10:19 am

  10. Reply to Down Under#9

    Make note, if I ever met a green party Feminist ‘HOLLY WALKER’ in this Asian country I will make sure she is truly welcome….By my Asian lady partner, then stand back watch the ‘s***t hit the fan’

    And my reply Feminist ‘HOLLY WALKER’ from the Green party ..Take your feminist shaming tactics spin elsewhere..

    Oh,by the way Feminist ‘HOLLY WALKER’ from the Green party do want to stitch up ‘dad4justice’ like you beloved Kiwi women feminists stitch up ‘Peter Ellis’ from ‘The Christchurch Civic Creche’

    Kind regards.. John Dutchie….. Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sat 12th May 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  11. We’re here for children. It’s in the best interests of the children. That’s not a debate; it is pathetic weak minded justification for not having one. The parliamentary line it’s 214,000 children – oooh important stuff, good for a bit of self glorification.

    The family court has consistently parroted the line one weekend a fortnight and one week of the school holidays, that’s all a father should expect. (26 x2 =52) + (5 x 4 =20) = 72 nights well short of 102 days represented by the 28% figure. A father of child/children who has/have a mother on the DPB won’t get an agreement out of the family court now that exceeds 102 days rather than the 145 days represented by the current 40% figure. There is no way the state is going to relinquish this money stream so this debate is not about 214,000 children.

    This amendment doesn’t threaten benefit recovery by the state in fact it improves it by attacking avoidance mechanisms. The IRD can now determine what avoidance is as they would with any other tax. The implications are huge especially for fathers who are not supportive of the ruling party. You can bet it will be a weapon more so now than it has been in the past. Expect to see more bankruptcies brought about by the IRD chasing the larger amounts of money.

    This will also bring about some major money related litigation in the family court. Expect to see some high profile men taken to the cleaners by the ex-partner for retrospective child support. Also expect to see many more men abandon the country and take their creativity productivity and success elsewhere.

    There will be many parents who will have parenting agreements over 102 days but less than 145 days. It is more than a fair assumption that many of these shared parenting agreements will fall over because of the drop in child support. This of course doesn’t mean the level of support for the child will drop, simply that the spending power is moved. Expect more fathers back in the family court defending their current parenting orders.

    There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth with the inclusion of the custodial parent in the child support calculation and parents won’t think further ahead than their current financial state. The slippery slope here for parents is that now you are both included in the calculation it is only a matter of time until child support is deducted from wages at source for other state funded activities beyond school. For example such things as student allowances will be able to be recovered from parents. Children will make their choices at your expense and parents won’t have any say in these matters.
    So it’s not really about the children it’s about an imploding state that is sucking its citizens, women included now, into financial servitude.

    Comment by Down Under — Sat 12th May 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  12. Extracted from Hansard [and added to…]

    JAN LOGIE (Green):
    Again-and I am going to be a broken record in this House-(She said it, we couldn’t agree more)
    this bill also ignores the context of domestic violence in this country. A women’s safety survey conducted in 1996 found that 70 percent of separated women had experienced some form of domestic violence. ….was that the one where you ticked boxes for things like – has a man EVER raised his eyebrows whilst looking at you.

    We know that our courts and custody are used as a tool of abuse. We have New Zealand research that shows that although custody applications based on assertions of parental rights appear to be accepted at face value by our courts, it is too well documented that Family Courts often treat applications concerned with violence, abuse, and coercive control with a degree of scepticism that is unwarranted, leaving children and their mothers in highly dangerous situations. Okay, we get where you are coming from – you think men shouldn’t be allowed to make applications to the family court they should just accept what women think. [What part of the population does this bitch represent? Can definitely see the Green vote decreasing next election.]

    Auckland University research has shown that women sometimes feel fearful and under pressure to agree to care arrangements that they do not believe are in their children’s best interests.only sometimes, but they do come to their senses and get over it – what’s your problem woman? [And this is what she came to parliament to tell us – does highlight the desperation of political parties; they’ll take anyone for a candidate these days, even the ones with ‘D’ on their forehead.]

    Comment by Down Under — Sat 12th May 2012 @ 2:40 pm

  13. Reply to Down Under #11 and #12

    Your comment…’This will also bring about some major money related litigation in the family court. Expect to see some high profile men taken to the cleaners by the ex-partner for retrospective child support. Also expect to see many more men abandon the country and take their creativity productivity and success elsewhere.’

    Its already happening Down Under,in this Asian country where I now abode,this year myself and my western male work colleges/friends have noticed a massive increased of new arrivals of highly intelligent western European men who turned there backs of living and working in there feminist western European countries…And this Asian country government welcomes them with open arms….

    But I will guarantee you this is what going to eventually happen in N.Z….

    Western European women Feminists have cotton on that intelligent Western Men are now waking,and these Men are leaving in droves ….

    That is unacceptable to feminists, they are losing there sperm donors and there walking A.T.M machines that can fleece to death

    Just like America….If the Father can’t meet his so called ‘unbiased’ child support payments and if the father falls in arrears with his crippling child support payments or if the Father dares to dispute and appeals in this feminist state,concerning his Child support payments…

    The Father will be ‘punished’ and ‘villain fry’ though the N.Z justice system, He will receive a permanent travel ban,the justice system will order his passport to be revoke,and he must surrender his passport..thus he,the Father is struck in this feminist state called New Zealand…

    Basically ‘he’ the Father will be a ‘slave’ for the feminist state …

    But what really concerns me ….Watch out for more decent and loving Fathers who be totally overwhelm and then commit suicide.. All driven by the ‘fair minded’ feminist state, and like there fair minded Feminists politicians called.. JAN LOGIE….. HOLLY WALKER

    Kind regards …John Dutchie…Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 13th May 2012 @ 5:21 am

  14. Reply to all

    And my apology to the author ‘Scrap_The_CSA’ that I have deviated from the original subject on his thread

    In my previous post#13 …..I mention the ‘white male flight’ to Asian countries,my wonderful Asian lady partner,soon to be my wife ask me kindly to post these two article for all to read.

    From her know personal experiences of living and working in American and Canada,she knows first hand how decent,caring and loving Men/Fathers are getting truly ‘slaughtered and quartered’ in those feminist controlled counties,and N.Z is no exception either…link below

    The second link below,is about about western European women experiences of working and living in a couple of Asian countries and how she found it impossible to find ‘romance’…Hello…That one I am not surprise at all…

    As I said before in a previous post ,where I live and work in this Asian country, single Asian male men do not get emotionally involved with western European women,they are far from ‘stupid’ nor are they ‘naive’, they know exactly on whats been going in western… feminists… European society …They avoid emotionally attachment to western European women like the ‘black plague of death’….

    Kind regards to all….John Dutchie…Free at long last….

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 13th May 2012 @ 7:50 am


    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 13th May 2012 @ 7:59 am

  16. Whoops having a bad hair day…Google this concerning the first article

    yahoo why-so-many-western-men-attracted-Asian women

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 13th May 2012 @ 8:06 am

  17. Reply to Down Under#9

    ‘These are the fathers who view their children effectively as their chattels,’….As per usual, more of same old Kiwi women Feminists gender supremacy ‘shaming tactics’

    I wonder if Feminist ‘HOLLY WALKER’ would say that statement directly to her Father face…

    King regards …John Dutchie…Free at long last…..

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 13th May 2012 @ 11:31 am

  18. Reply to Down Under#11

    Your comment Down Under on ‘even the ones with ‘D’ on their forehead’…

    Yes, I understand that Down Under,but its even worse then that Down Under,and sorry to say this, this type ‘mentally’ displayed by ‘HOLLY WALKER and ‘JAN LOGIE’ is normal thinking by a lot of Kiwi women…

    Honestly,would any decent and caring single and unattached intelligent young Kiwi Man in his right mind would stay in N.Z and become Father…????

    Kind regards John Dutchie…Free at long last

    Comment by John Dutchie — Sun 13th May 2012 @ 11:46 am

  19. John Dutchie….

    I am also on the list of white professional males that have left NZ due to lack of Justice and complete exasperation at how feminist controlled the whole system is.. in the beginning i did everything right and by the book… despite the glaring injustices of the whole system biased to please feminists and nothing else… the system has nothing to do with children’s welfare…I went to family court with legal costs of over $100k and without court outcomes following the stated laws of the country….

    Now happily living in Asia… I agree Asian males do not even go near white women for the reasons you stated.. Asian men are not stupid.. nor sexist.. like most men entering a marriage they are looking for a life partner to raise a family with.. one who is committed to the family and not some feminist political agenda.. one who wants to contribute to the family and understand that men and women are different and have different roles but can both complement each other… one who loves her partner and shows respect to him… Asian men want an equal relationship as do Asian women inmost cases… Asian men understand white women quite well because they have other women not yet completely infested by feminist lies to compare with… and they do not want to “ruin their lives” as told by one friend…

    Hopefully feminism in its fullest extent, as we now see expressed in western countries does not infest the rest of the world.. despite what feminists may claim about “suppressed” Asian women or legal systems favouring men that is simply not the case… Asian women are as free with their choices as western women… and the legal systems of most (to avoid feminists claiming some obscure exception) Asian countries in divorce are actually FAIR and not feminist biased…

    Happy I left NZ… no desire to go back or visit ever again…. it is simply getting worse….

    Comment by NZexile — Wed 14th August 2013 @ 2:12 pm

  20. Your a lucky man Dutchie, lucky you found happiness – but we have to fight this fight, we have to expose the injustices and hold people to account – people who are allowing the destruction of good parents, and allowing harm to come to kids….in the pursuit of money…..and self interest.

    I agree with all you say about spending a fortune, doing everything right and by the book – I did the same and got absolutely no where. So the system is broken, and needs fixing and it needs good men / and women to stand up and make some changes otherwise it will get worse…….more kids will be harmed and more good parents will be destroyed……

    If we ever get traction in the right direction down here – please send me your story to add to the massive list of good people who have been trashed by this horrible system.

    Comment by hornet — Wed 14th August 2013 @ 3:23 pm

  21. I should qualify.. a “white woman” is any woman (Asian, middle eastern, African.. from anywhere) who has grown up in, spent significant enough time in, or has absorbed the values [sic] of the western European style of feminism..

    my own white mother was very feminist until she saw the injustices doled out by the system on her own son… she has changed…

    Comment by NZexile — Wed 14th August 2013 @ 5:26 pm

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