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Police Challenge Integrity of NZ DV Statistics

Filed under: General — MurrayBacon @ 12:11 pm Mon 24th December 2012

NZ Herald – Mallet attack sparked by car sale
By Edward Gay
Thanks to Bruce S for drawing this to our attention
Lance Bain loved Ferraris, but after an argument with his partner over a car he was attacked with a mallet and left with a leg wound that became infested with maggots.

He went to hospital 11 days later where he eventually died of a bacterial infection.

Mr Bain’s partner Natalie van Breugel, also known as Natalie Reader, had originally been charged with manslaughter which carries a maximum penalty of life in prison.

However, at her brief appearance at the High Court at Auckland today, the Crown downgraded the charge to injuring with intent to injure which has a maximum of seven years in prison.
By downgrading this attack to assault with intention to injure, this clear manslaughter case is covered in official statistics as assault and the illegal death perpetrated by a woman aspect is hidden from public view in Government statistics.

The victim’s refusal to get hospital treatment seems to fit into the DV victim refusing help, in other words the same dynamic in a man, that is much talked about in women. Also the police gently pressured him to get treatment, but he refused. The police could have saved this man’s life, if they had had him detained under Mental Health Act and thus his physical injuries could have received medically competent treatment. I am not accusing the police of manslaughter, they just weren’t competent at handling the dynamics of this situation.

I do consider that the police hierarchy should be called to account, as this incident shows that their mindset of woman victim / man perpetrator is sometimes so out of touch with the real world reality, that it is costing too many lives. Men’s lives lost as DV victims and men’s lives lost when they are maltreated by police misled by their own dangerous misunderstanding of their own unreliable statistics.

Or, are the police telling us that letting off lightly, women victims of DV who murder, was wrong all the time?
I suggest that in each individual case, the response should be proportionate to the facts of the case.

I know a man who was prosecuted for male assaults female. The police photos showed bruises so mild that they were laughable. The accused lost his temper in district caught, in frustration at police perjury. Although this perjury was obvious from the caught file, it was ignored by the “judge” who convicted him. What a hero! (apology for the $350,000 a year of sarcasm). The policeman obviously had no fear of being prosecuted for perjury. Anyway, the Limitations Act hasn’t run out yet.

If he had known the Evidence Act, previous judgements on this point and possibly Evidence Regulations (if they exist), then he could have handled this challenge with a better outcome. (Sorry that I am ambiguous about “he”, it could be the accused or the “judge”.)
MurrayBacon – axe murderer frustrated a little


  1. I apologize for being deliberately obtuse with my nomination of Natalie van Breugel as a nominee for the “white ribbon poster girl of the year” award. I thank you Murray for spotting my deliberate obfuscation. I can only surmise that the white ribbon brigade were becoming somewhat concerned that female DV perpetrator numbers were starting to smear their already shonky campaign statistics. After a little subtle collusion with the white knights of the white ribbon (feather?) brigade, it would seem they have managed to have the statistics manipulated sufficiently to further encourage the delusional rantings of their campaign. Incredulous is what it is; and right in our faces too. Looks like another unhappy new year ahead for the men of New Zealand.

    Lest we forget; our condolences, thoughts and support should be with the friends and family of Lance Bain at this time.

    Comment by Bruce S — Mon 24th December 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  2. Murray, I couldn’t quite follow the reasoning behind your question “Or, are the police telling us that letting off lightly, women victims of DV who murder, was wrong all the time?” Would you care to elucidate?

    Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 25th December 2012 @ 9:07 am

  3. Hi Hans, I was raising the question that the number of women let off very lightly, after apparently planning and murdering their husbands in cold blood, maybe they should have been prosecuted for murder, rather than manslaughter?

    Generally, what’s good for the gander, should be good for the goose too?
    Cheers, Murray.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 25th December 2012 @ 11:29 am

  4. As he has failed to support her in the manner to which she had become accustomed it would be justifiable homicide wouldn’t it? Women behaving badly when their income stream is threatened isn’t considered doesn’t considered domestic violence is it? Women are excused from acceptance of responsibility or accountability when provoked so she should get off wounding with intent no problem. Pretty much the same rationale the state uses to collect child support.

    Comment by Down Under — Tue 25th December 2012 @ 2:25 pm

  5. that grates me is if you dont give the useless tart spending money it could be considered abuse by withholding funds from her..economic abuse..what a fucken joke

    Comment by Ford — Wed 26th December 2012 @ 8:16 am

  6. Wanted: One fully equal and liberated woman to be my wife.

    Must have own assets and income (equal to mine).
    Must be willing to make all relational decisions, incuding where we live; home furnishings, weekly groceries etc.
    Must be prepared to make all child-raising decision, including if or when to have children, naming the children, their education etc .
    Must be willing to raise any children we have, on her own, should I prove even remotely incompetent.

    For my part, I will defer all child-raising decisions to her. I will not withhold my sperm (which will in the interests of arital equality, be known as ‘her sperm’).
    I undertake to do half of all house work, to the point of perfection, or to my wife’s expectations, which ever is greater.
    I will also take care of all ‘hard physical’ labour, including lawns, gardening, moving heavy items.
    I will cease friendship with any ‘mates’ with whom my wife doesnot approve.
    I will not criticise or excert any influence whatsoever over any of wife’s spending habits. I will ensure my wife has ‘first call’ over wardrobe space, cupboards space, etc.
    I will allow my wife to freely belittle me in front of her friends. I will not criticise her if I fail to satisfy her (you know what I mean) and therefore I cause her to look elsewhere for fulfilment – even temporary fulfilment.
    I will not question or challenge or disagree with my wife’s views or opinions. I will not question her judement.
    I will cover the mortgage, bills, superannuation savings etc. I will do this with both our interests at heart, to the point of splitting all savings and assets 50/50 in the event of seperation.

    Comment by Happy Larry — Wed 26th December 2012 @ 9:36 am

  7. Finally, I will no longer refer to her as ‘my wife’.
    I will be her husband; she will be a free woman.

    I should say I own multiple properties and have good superannuation savings.
    All applicants please apply. No photo or bio necessary.

    Comment by Happy Larry — Wed 26th December 2012 @ 9:38 am

  8. Police commonly treat males far nore brutally than females. Yet female preform far nor serious acts of violence their partners. Police couldn’t care less. www, Is available for support. We are a totally free site and independently owned and oprated.

    Comment by Gwahir — Wed 26th December 2012 @ 10:26 pm


    check this load of baloney out…

    Comment by kirannjiharr — Mon 21st January 2013 @ 3:34 pm

  10. …and for the record; Natalie van Breugel, our mallet wielding anger management failure has just been sentenced today, Wednesday 27 March 2013, to 12 months home detention and 400 hours community work. More proof from the pansy NZ just arse system of just how worthless a male life is in New Zealand. So there you go girls; hammer away and you get to stay home and watch TV for a year as a reward.

    Story here:

    Comment by Bruce S — Wed 27th March 2013 @ 4:27 pm

  11. I wonder what the sentence would have been were the offender male.

    Could I be mistaken or do I heas the slamming of cell dors in the background?

    Comment by Gwahir — Wed 27th March 2013 @ 4:46 pm

  12. @Gwahir; to be fair; not always the case but more likely.

    What concerns me is the ease with which females get home detention and then they go on and have another crack at someone else.

    Take the case of the lovely little lady from Christchurch, Michelle Jade Corina Kerr. Back in August 2009 she beat up a Korean student in an attempted robbery. Judge Saunders sentenced Kerr to four months’ home detention with six months of post-detention conditions. Now fast forward to Invercargill, August 2011 and our darling little angel is at it again; tying up a couple of guys with a chain so they can be hit with a hammer….in an apparent drug deal stuff up. Now the “light goes on”, and Judge Kevin Phillips sentences Kerr to 2.5 years of jail time!!

    It seems to me; woman are being given sentences and “chances” that are not commensurate with their anti social behaviour; and in a number of cases they learn zip and go do it all over again.

    Wonder how long it will be before we see Natalie van Breugel in the headlines again? Watch this space.

    Comment by Bruce S — Wed 27th March 2013 @ 7:25 pm

  13. Chilling New Zealand figures

    Children most often killed by mothers

    Otago Daily Times

    Tue, 25 Sep 2012

    New Zealand mothers kill more children than any other group in society and men are victims of domestic violence as often as women, a police investigation has found.

    The Family Violence Death Review, released today by police, found mothers were responsible for 45 per cent of children killed by domestic violence.

    The review of 95 family violence deaths involving 101 victims between 2004 and 2011 revealed some “inconvenient truths”, Family First national director Bob McCoskrie said.

    He said the statistics debunked the misleading popular perception “that women and children need to be protected from men”.

    “This gender focus is misleading,” Mr McCoskrie said.

    “If we’re really serious about reducing family violence, we need to talk about … our violent culture and the role alcohol and drugs play in fuelling this environment.”

    The police report – which only involved deaths that were subject to a Family Violence Death Review – found:

    “¢ Victims were spread almost equally between men, women and children

    “¢ Mothers killed 15 of the 33 child victims

    “¢ 81 per cent of female victims and 29 per cent of male victims were killed by a former or current spouse or partner

    “¢ 64 per cent of all deaths were in families where police had prior involvement

    “¢ In 55 per cent of child deaths police had prior involvement with the family

    “¢ Most suspects or offenders were aged in their 20s.

    University of Otago Professor David Fergusson, an expert on domestic violence, said the public perception that men were the perpetrators of most domestic violence was the result of biased publicity.

    “The proper message is that both gender groups have a capacity for domestic violence [and] women probably perpetrate more assaults on children then men do,” Mr Fergusson said.

    The ramifications are a public health system that tends to overlook male victims of domestic violence.

    One example was White Ribbon Day, which he had been critical of because it focused on female survivors of domestic violence and there was “no comparable day for male victims”.

    “It is those biases which have been built into our system right the way through it, largely from feminist rhetoric that implies that males are always to blame.

    “The bottom line is the importance of public policy being based on evidence.”

    Mr Fergusson said dealing with child abuse “certainly needs to be a lot more of a priority than it’s given”.

    Education should be the cornerstone for parents, particularly to learn how to cope with the stresses associated with a newborn.

    “I think that by a series of programs targeted at teaching parents better skills, giving them support, we can minimise the risk of child abuse.”

    Labour’s women’s affairs spokeswoman Sue Moroney said the report showed “police must resume reporting full family violence statistics so we can get the full picture”.

    National crime manager Detective Superintendent Rod Drew said police had introduced ways to deal with domestic violence since 2004, including a risk analysis tool.
    History of abuse

    This review has been misled by not considering children who died by less violent methods, such as being held under a blanket until they had stopped struggling, or poisoned by pharmaceuticals or car exhaust. Unless looked at closely these victims don’t have obvious signs of violence or foul play. The deaths are easily passed of as SID, if the child is young.

    Even so, less misleading data is leaking into the public domain.

    However, the real issue, the largest well being threat facing NZ children, is poor quality upbringing and neglect, partly due to denial of access with their fathers.

    The issue child deaths is being used to keep attention away from the largest threats to children’s well being – their own mothers, aided and abetted by the dysfunctional antifunctional familycaught$.

    I am not criticising the majority of mothers, just the incompetents who know little about parenting needs for children and wilfully deny the children their birthright.

    Often this is just to maximise their child [and spousal] support take.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 30th December 2014 @ 12:26 pm

  14. However, the real issue, the largest well being threat facing NZ children, is poor quality upbringing and neglect, partly due to denial of access with their fathers.

    … denial of a relationship – that is the problem; even with access there are many other factors that restrict a parent from engaging in a relationship.

    Equally there are mothers that are given custody of a child on arbitrary grounds that suit feminist ideology, and agencies that refuse to protect a child preferring a sympathetic approach towards a mother rather than pragmatism towards a father.

    If society wasn’t soft on wayward women, quite a few of those children would still be alive.

    It you want to see this picture in action a few years back, have a read of this memoir:

    ‘out of the mist and steam’ by Alan Duff.

    (You may recognise that name as the author of Once Were Warriors.)

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 30th December 2014 @ 2:05 pm

  15. Labour’s women’s affairs spokeswoman Sue Moroney said the report showed ‘police must resume reporting full family violence statistics so we can get the full picture’.

    Is Sue advocating that we have a new charge of “female assaults male”? The “girls” won’t like that now will they? That’ll end their little charade…..wonder how long it’ll take the NZ courts and legal system to adjust?

    Comment by Bruce S — Tue 30th December 2014 @ 6:18 pm

  16. Meanwhile Al Jazeera’s militant feminist Halema Kazem defames New Zealand with her bigoted yellow journalism. Extreme, wildly exaggerated ‘results’ from militant feminist advocacy ‘research’.
    Quotes from ONLY women victims and NOTHING at all from any man or men’s organizations.
    In other words typical Misandric (anti-male) nonsense.


    Comment by ManAlive — Wed 31st December 2014 @ 3:22 am

  17. Dear Downunder, thanks for the reference to Alan Duff.

    The videos above are interesting, linked by ManAlive. The point about men heads of households being punished for infractions by children or wife, even jailed, were an eye opener for me. In essence, the head of household was expected to maintain discipline by whatever means were necessary. This could doubtless be a very big challenge, if the wife or children were out of control.

    Generally, it is important to put consequences onto the person who made the decision, so just punishing the head of household for dependant’s behaviour, risks harming them without addressing the source of the problem. Very harsh.

    Thanks, MurrayBacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 2nd January 2015 @ 10:01 am

  18. Are unmanaged conflicts of interest hazardous to our children and our wealth?
    Vested Interests – Conflict of Interest?
    [Those who don’t learn from history, are doomed to keep repeating it.]

    Police release crime stats: 3.2 drop in recorded offences

    Crime NZ Police

    Recorded crime dropped by 3.2 per cent in the past year, continuing a downward trend, according to the latest police statistics.

    There were almost 12,000 fewer crimes recorded nationwide in the 2013/14 financial year than in the previous financial year.

    ‘Ghost crime’ stats may be probed
    Independent authority awaiting police information as minister turns up heat.
    The Independent Police Conduct Authority may yet step in to investigate revelations that police altered burglary statistics.

    The authority said last night it had earlier received three anonymous letters about the handling of statistics and referred them to police for further investigation.

    “The police have now taken employment action in respect of the officers involved and the Commissioner has publicly accepted that errors were made and have now been rectified,” the authority said in a statement.

    “The authority is currently awaiting further information from police and will then determine what future action, if any, it will take.”

    A police investigation, revealed in the Herald on Sunday, into southern Counties Manukau police found about 500 burglaries had been wrongly reclassified as other offences or incidents between 2009 and 2012.

    Incidents are not recorded in crime statistics, leading to questions about whether police had fudged numbers to please political bosses.

    Judith Collins was Police Minister for most of that period and her Papakura electorate is one of the affected areas.

    She has trumpeted statistics in her newsletter Collins’ Courier – which boasted about a 36.7 per cent drop in recorded burglaries from 2009-10 to 2010-11.

    Police now conduct spot audits countrywide and have all tier-one statistics verified by Statistics NZ to ensure integrity.

    Ms Collins yesterday turned up the heat on the issue , blaming the Labour Party for leaking the report.

    Unstealing burglaries? Police made burglaries vanish
    Statistics altered over three years to make 700 burglary offences appear as other crimes or not as crimes at all.

    Two-year search for ‘ghost crimes’ truth
    It arrived in March 2012 and came with an apology.

    An anonymous letter in faded ink, the last line read: “Sorry the printer ran out of ink and I had closed the document without saving before realising the print was not good so hope you are able to read it. Obvious reasons why the doc is not saved.”

    The allegation at the top explained why the writer had been so careful: “Investigate Police – Fraudulent Crime Statistics From Counties Manukau South”.

    The next two pages contained allegations, in part about how crime statistics had been altered in one area of the Counties Manukau police district. “Burglary codes were changed to theft or any other minor offence to allow the area to achieve the best crime reduction stats for the district,” the letter read.

    “How would anyone know what the real facts are when the figures are falsified, this is fraud and the staff changing codes should be held accountable.”

    The whistle-blower’s cautious approach was because these were explosive allegations.

    Accurate crime statistics are a vital platform on which many decisions are made – about policing methods, policy and funding. The allegation that they were being manipulated was serious indeed.

    The handling of these allegations over the next two years is an insight into police administration, the oversight of the force, and accountability.

    Anonymous claims are always difficult to deal with, but there was enough detail in the letter to convince me this was worth investigating. On March 30, 2012, I sent an Official Information Act request asking Counties Manukau district commander Superintendent John Tims for documents relating to any allegations about the falsifying of crime stats.

    Police ‘hung out to dry’ over ‘ghost crimes’
    No dishonesty in recoded burglaries, says former cop, despite push to reduce crime

    Police deny being caught out by false review claims

    Emails show chiefs wrongly told national audit held after problems with burglary stats.
    Internal emails reveal that police bosses sought assurances in the wake of significant problems with burglary statistics in South Auckland – and were wrongly told that a national review had taken place showing that the system was overwhelmingly robust.

    Police deny the assurances gave them a false sense of security over the integrity of burglary statistics.

    Emails released under the Official Information Act also reveal that Police Commissioner Mike Bush was told about issues with crime statistics in South Auckland in November 2009, 2 years before police launched an internal investigation that lifted the lid on improper practices for recording burglaries.

    The 2012 investigation found that about 700 burglaries had been wrongly recoded to other crimes or incidents in the southern region of Counties Manukau between July 2009 and April 2012.

    Five officers were disciplined, while the report raised questions over pressures to meet crime reduction targets, and whether there were wider problems with statistics.

    Police have said it was an isolated problem.

    Police bosses, including then-deputy commissioner Mr Bush, were notified of the investigation by email in August 2012. “The recoding of burglary offences to non-burglary offence codes appears significant over those years and is believed to have led to a false report of a reduction in burglary offences,” the email said.

    Police trumpet their accountability to law and Parliament, but it only works well when the public already know what is going on ie when police secrecy has already failed.
    Reminiscent of accountability of our caught$…..

    Conflict of interest rules supreme!

    MurrayBacon – axe murderer.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 2nd January 2015 @ 12:15 pm

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