FUD Submissions
Fear Uncertainty and Darkness (FUD)
Instead of addressing the problems and looking for solutions, it seems that the beneficiaries in the existing familycaught$ system are distracting our attention away from the required outputs and a system for achieving them at a sensibly low cost.
Family Court Proceedings Bill Submission Kitset
Family Court Proceedings Bill Submission Kitset – Dark Side
I was woken by pain, to give an injection. As occasionally happens, it was hard to get back to sleep. I tried counting sheep, but got into the millions, without any sign of sleep. It wasn’t so pleasant as the drought has made them so skinny. I remembered the Right Hon. Frederick Dagg suggesting to listen to Parliament as being a good means of escape into the nether netherlands.
Being late at night and in the weekend, that was never going to work. So I looked at the Parliamentary website. Even with practically no-one looking at it, it was still running at a honourable, gentlemanly pace, downright slow even. Quite good when all you want is to get back to sleep.
The Law and Justice Committee has put most of the submissions onto it’s website.
Submitters fell into several predictable groups
end users of familycaught$ services – want service at unreasonably low cost
Mother advocates
Child advocates
Father advocates
Citizens concerned for fellow citizens
Concerned for children being protected from darkness and fathers
Concerned for parents with mental health problems
Concerned for parents with financial problems (legal bills)
People who are employees of the familycaught$ industry – want service at unreasonably high cost
mediators
counsellors
psychotherapists
psychologists
legal workers
legal workers – judges
I could not see any social contribution in any of the submissions from the judges. Although much of their comment is sensible or true, given the present situation in NZ, their comments didn’t offer a single idea for improving the output quality or reducing the financial cost to Government and citizens. The truth, but very far from the whole truth. In other words, they were defending their performance and problems thereto, as being the best that could be achieved.
All of their ideas were based on self congratulations, claiming that they are well respected internationally (by people in the same trade as themselves). I cannot see how that should be read as any form of independent evaluation or endorsement.
I would see this as that they would not look at improving their quality or cost effectiveness. This being the case, they are the problem and not any part of a solution. They would need to be replaced completely, as part of the final solution. I am always suspicious of people who spend more time telling you how good they are, than working.
These judges have been dredging up the same, stale old promises for 30 years. Thus society must take heed that they are talking and promising, but being careful not to action these promises. After 30 years of wasted time, we need people who will put improvements and cost reductions into action. Dithering about has never been useful.
Fresh Ideas Aimed at Improving the Output Quality and Cost Effectiveness of familycaught$
Generally, the best submissions didn’t present any new ideas. In fact many of these ideas have been suggested through the last 30 years by familycaught$ judges, but for talking about, rather than doing! Many of the ideas have been well known for many centuries.
The Parliament website often runs rather slowly, so it can be very slow to work your way through to find the submissions that you are looking for.
To help you, I have put links in to the more interesting submissions. They are pretty much all dull as old dishwater, so to save you from having to wade through all of the repetition (especially in the legal worker’s submissions, lawyers and judges alike) I have highlighted the submissions that are a bit more original than the boring rest.
Grace Haden -Transparency New Zealand Limited investigator citizen
In her oral presentation, Grace spoke about parents dealing with familycaught$ being driven insane, ot to suicide and made unproductive by artificial stress in familycaught$.
Steve Taylor, Director, 24-7 Ltd Counsellor
A.M.Joanne Neilson social work student
AnatolyKern self represented father
Annie Meates citizen makes observaion about familycaught$ handling of DV
Anonymous6 brilliantly written observation of social value of familycaught$
Submission by Craig Jackson psychologist on the proposed changes to the role of the registered psychologist as specialist report writer to the Family Court
Oral submission by Craig Jackson psychologist to the Select Committee Supplementary
FAMILIES APART REQUIRE EQUALITY (FARE) Bruce Tichbon
Gary Owen Burgess self represented litigant
KerryBevin
JeremyDaley of Harman’s Lawyers Christchurch Shaken and not stirred comments about Judith Collins Minister of something or other. Quite astonishing comments leaking out from a legal profession in almost as much crisis as street prostitution, which also needs upgrading.
I still have more to read yet. Cheers, MurrayBacon.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 12:05 am
HansLaven psychologist
Julian Price believes that it is possible to do away with CYFs and change over all parenting agreements to 50% / 50% shared parenting
Embarrassingly low quality submissions from overfed underworked [largely funded by] Government workers
(They are listed here, so that you can make your own judgement. I am not listing them as an indication of their value or merit. The low quality largely results from addressing a problem which spans human psychology, biology, child development, law, household economics and negotiation, using only skills from one narrow professional skill.)
Families Commission
Submission of the Family Court Judges of New Zealand
Submission by the Human Rights Commission
Mental Health Foundation
New Zealand Law Society
judge paul von diddleson
JudgeSJCoyl
Christchurch Family Court Judges
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Curious submission by Rachael Rotherham employed by McVeigh Fleming, presenting self represented litigants as submitting irrelevant material.
Well, I am starting to get drowsy from the boring submissions, just what is needed right now.
Cheers, MurrayBacon.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 12:32 am
Sleep is rapidly taking over. It is always “spot the gaps”. What are the gaps, what do they mean?
Lawyers who did not make any submission:
In several cases where another lawyer from the practice had made a submission, I gave them the benefit of the doubt, that they might have contributed. Late at night, so I apologise if I have made any mistakes. (This list is not intended as advertising, in any way.)
Adrian Stone
Adrian Tisch
Adrianne McLean
Adrienne Edwards
Ainslie Hewton
Akeripa Seumanutafa
Alan Broadbent
Alan Davies
Alan Gluestein
Alan Goodwin
Alan Johnston
Alan Little
Alastair Logan
Alethea Lombard
Alex McDonald
Alexandra Beaumont
Alison Douglass
Alison Jones
Alison King
Alison McEwan
Alison Souness
Alistaire Hall
Alister James QSO
Allan Cooke
Allison Adams
Amanda Donovan
Amanda Iles
Amanda Kennedy
Amanda Morgan
Amber Parlato
Andrea King
Andrea Manuel
Andrew Clemow
Andrew Easterbrook
Andrew Finnie
Andrew Gallie
Andrew Henderson
Andrew Watkins
Andrew Woods
Angela Bean
Angela Corry
Angela Davis
Angela Grant
Angela Morgan-Roberts
Angela Reeve
Anil Jaichand
Anita Chan
Aniva Hansen
Ann Fass
Ann Gardner
Ann Leonard
Ann Wilson
Anna Carbon
Anna Jane Pollett
Anna Skellern
Anna Stevens
Anne Earl
Anne Hinton QC
Anne Montgomery-Lee
Anne-Marie Percy
Annette Gray
Anthony Morahan
Anthony Robinson
Anthony Whitcombe
Antoinette Vujnovich
Antonia Fisher
April Kelland
Arama Ngapo-Lipscombe
Arthur Fairley
Ashima Budgoojar
Ashley-Jayne Lodge
Audrey Seaton
Barbara Collis
Barbara Knowles
Barry MacLean
Belinda Fletcher
Belinda Inglis
Ben Snedden
Bernadette Farnan
Bev Connors
Bev Roche
Bevan Coombes
Beverley Alexander
Beverley Pearce
Bill Herbison
Blair Strang
Bob Perry
Brenda Thom
Brendan McConnell
Brett Daniell-Smith
Brian Carter
Brian Fletcher
Brian Gubb
Brian Kilkelly
Brian Pelham
Brigham Nordstrom
Brigid Clinton
Brigid Ward
Bronwen Klippel
Bruce Andrews
Bruce Boivin
Bruce Corkill QC
Bruce Dell
Bruce Wilson
Bryan Yeoman
Bryony Millar
Bryony Sloane
Cara Gelston
Carla Leader
Carlyle Gibson
Carmen Jillett
Carol Hannagan
Carol Powell
Carole Curtis
Caroline Hannan
Caroline Hickman
Caroline McCarthy
Caroline Rieger
Carolyn Bielby
Carolynn Bull
Catherine Cull
Catherine Lintott
Catherine Moody
Catherine Quin
Catherine Starr
Catherine Wilson
Cathy Flynn
Catriona Doyle
Chanel Gardner
Charles Southall
Charlotte Becker
Charlotte Clifford
Cherie Hainsworth-Powrie
Chris Fogarty
Chris Grenfell
Chris Jones
Chris Lord
Chris Nicholls
Chris Robertson
Chris Robertson
Chris Sygrove
Chrissy Armstrong
Christina Keil
Christina Lee
Christina Leech
Christopher Dellabarca
Christopher Podwin
Christopher Twigley
Claire O’Donnell
Claire Price
Claire Reynolds
Clara Matthews
Clare Murphy
Claudine Dupuy
Clayton Williams
Cleland Murdoch
Clifford Robinson
Clinton Light
Colette Mackenzie
Colin Abernethy
Colin Pidgeon QC
Colleen MacLeod
Colleen Moore
Corin Merrick
Craig Boyes
Cushla Webster
Cynthia Bluett
Dale Lloyd
Dana Holbrook
Danielle Christoffersen
Danielle Williamson
David Barry
David Brett
David Brown
David Dowthwaite
David Graham
David Iggulden
David Jury
David More
David Parker
David Polson
David Rimmer
David Salter
David Scott
David Venter
David Walker
David Woodbridge
Debbie Bryan-Lamb
Debbie Dunbar
Debbie Ericsson
Deborah Hollings QC
Deborah Sim
Denise Evans
Denise Woods
Dennis Standring
Dianne Forgeson
Dianne Martin
Dinah Kennedy
Dineen Grantham
Dominic Dravitzki
Don Kennedy
Donald Fuller
Donna Carroll
Donna Cherry
Donna Wingham
Dorothy Bogers
Dorothy Owen-Tana
Dorothy Stewart
Dr John Gray
Dr Mark Gazley
Duncan Walker
Ed Johnston
Elise McCabe
Emily Gendall
Emma Cooney
Eoin Cameron
Eugenie Laracy
Eva Ho
Eva Kuo
Eymard Bradley
Fazilat Shah
Fenella Devlin
Ferne Bradley
Fiona Ashcroft
Fiona Cowan
Fiona Emery
Fiona Mackenzie
Fiona Patterson
Fiona Thompson
Fran Taylor Boyd
Frances Gush
Frank Freeman
Gaeline Phipps
Garry Barkle
Garry Spooner
Gayle Williams
Gaylyn Cannon
Genevieve Denize
Geoff Harrison
Geoff Kean
Geoff Rothwell
Geoffrey Jenkin
George Ireland
George Linder
George Swanepoel
Georgie McIntosh
Georgina Lawrenson
Gerald Nation
Geraldine Whiteford
Gerard De Courcy
Gerard Letts
Gerard Molloy
Gerry Deacon
Gillian Spry
Gina Cole
Glenda Murphy
Glenn Mason
Gordon Hart
Graeme Mansfield
Graeme Stanton
Graham Coumbe
Graham Day
Graham Takarangi
Grant Amer
Grant Dowland
Gray Cameron
Greg Clarke
Greg Kelly
Greg Milicich
Greg Webster
Greg Woollaston
Gregory Keene
Gregory Thomas
Haam Raumati
Hamish Senior
Heather MacColl
Helen Sumich
Helen Tyree
Henny Fairgray
Hugh Perry
Ian Parker
Ian Todd
Ilati Vukona
Indira Sirisena
Inger Blackford
Ingrid Squire
Isaac Hikaka
Isabel Mitchell
Jackie Woolerton
Jacqueline Blake
Jacqueline Stephenson
James Berkett
James Simpson
James Takas
Jamie Steele
Jan Avery
Jan Naish-Wallis
Jan Wasey
Jane Anderson
Jane Argyle
Jane Connell
Jane Greenhill
Jane Hunter
Jane Hunter
Jane Signal
Jane Walker
Jason Wren
Jaya Chittenden
Jean McCormick
Jeanette Mehrtens
Jeff Walker
Jenifer Strauss
Jennie Hawker
Jennifer Anderson
Jennifer Perry
Jennifer Wademan
Jenny Dawson
Jenny Grant
Jeremy Glasgow
Jerry Noble
Jess Babe
Jessie Hunt
Jim Guest
Jim Meates
Jo Bates
Jo Hambleton
Jo Hosking
Jo Naidoo
Jo Robertson
Jo Watson
Joan Davis
Joan Key
Joan Rotherham
Joanna Jordan
Jo-Anne Thomas
Jocelyn Cooney
Jodi Ongley
Jodie Foster
Joe O’Neill
Johan Niemand
John Adams
John Bannerman
John Brandts-Giesen
John Dean
John Donkin
John Douglas
John Evans
John Farrow
John Gwilliam
John Hickey
John Logie
John Mather
John Mathieson
John McDowell
John McGlashan
John Millar
John Pringle
John Ray
John Ross
John Rust
John Samuel
John Sandston
John Waddington
Jon Olphert
Jonathan Everist
Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Natusch
Jonathan Nicholson
Jonathan Ruthven
Jonothan Briscoe
Judith Daniell
Judith Flett
Judith Hounsell
Judith McMillan
Judith Walshe
Judy Restieaux
Juenith McIntosh
Julia Graham
Julia Sanders
Julie Mettrick
Julie Millar
Julie Young
Juliet van der Oord
Justine Baird
Karen Dennison
Karen Lindberg
Karen Monet
Karen Pearce
Kasey Templer
Kate Dougherty
Kate Leys
Kate McKenzie-Bridle
Kate Muir
Kate Sullivan
Kate Yarrall
Kathleen Byrne
Kathryn Crooks
Kathryn Hayman
Kathryn Lellman
Kathryn Vesty
Kathy Jackson
Katie Graham
Kay Hoult
Keith Hales
Keith Young
Kelly Marriner
Kenneth Marshall
Keri Kereru
Kerrie Heaysman
Kerry Knowles
Kerry O’Brien
Keryn Broughton
Kevin Casey
Kevin Muir
Kim Holden
Kim Kyle
Kim Starnes
Kiri Rademacher
Kiriana Tan
Kirstin Monk
Kris King
Kristy O’Connor
Lana Paul
Lance Pratley
Lauren Pegg
Lavanya Dunraj
La-Verne King
Lee Goffin
Lee Jack
Lee Stevens
Len Andersen
Letizea Ord
Libby Lockhart
Liliana Bracanov
Lili-Marina Stanley
Linda Miles
Ling Wang
Lisa La Mantia
Lisa Thorsen
Lisa Tregenza
Lisa Willis
Liz McKenzie
Liz Ross
Lloyd Collins
Lois Flanagan
Lope Ginnen
Lorraine Lipman
Louis Te Kani
Louise Elder
Louise Laugesen
Lucinda Aboud
Lynda Frew
Lynda Kearns
Lynda Manning
Madeleine Flannagan
Madeleine Recordon
Malcolm McKenzie
Mandy Rusk
Maninder Sidhu
Manisha Saini
Maree Hayward
Maretta Twentyman
Margaret Casey
Margaret Lewis
Margita Grins
Margot Harkness
Maria Hamilton
Maria Hoebergen
Maria Kazmierow
Marian Whyte
Marieke van den Bergh
Marie-Therese Egan
Marilyn Gilchrist
Marion Anderson-Ulu
Mark Bullock
Mark Callaghan
Mark Dobson
Mark Duston
Mark Patterson
Mark Tolich
Mark Vickerman
Marlo Greenhough
Marnie Blank
Martin Bradley
Martin Hine
Mary Falloon
Mary Jeffcoat
Mary More
Mary Redington
Mary Shanahan
Maryanne Crapp
Matthew Wright
Maurice Casey
Max Gomas
Megan Dick
Megan Leaf
Megan Wills
Melanie Baker
Melanie O’Neill
Mele Kava
Melissa Sandom
Merridy Gordon
Merrin Gill
Michael Hay
Michael McIvor
Michael Mika
Michael Morris
Michael Robinson
Michael Roots
Michael Scott
Michaela Greaney
Michelle Cecile
Michelle Chisnall
Michelle Woods
Mike Basil-Jones
Mike Curtis
Mike Dodds
Mike Hardy-Jones
Minka Bodde-Phillips
Miranda Harvey
Miranda Rout
Miriam Arnet
Miriam Menzies
Miriam Schumacher
Moevao Faimalie
Murray Cochrane
Murray Earl
Murray Jordan
Natalie Palmer
Natalie Quirke
Natasha Simpson
Nazmeen Rasheed
Neil Johnstone
Nerida Mulvey
Nevan Percy
Nicholas Birdsey
Nicholas Burley
Nickie Bond
Nicky Grimes
Nicky Sinclair
Nicky Wise
Nicola Ebert
Nicola Roberts
Nicola Vryenhoek
Nicola Williams
Nicole Ironside
Nicole Murphy
Nicole Walker
Nicolette Bodewes
Nikki Burley
Nina Elliott
Nina Hood
Nisha Dahya
Noel Rayner
Noela Remmerswaal
Nona Benner
Nora Michael
Norman Sainsbury
Norman Scott
Ophir Cassidy
Pam Harvey
Pam Small
Pamela Williamson
Patricia Lavus
Patricia Wardill
Patrick Molloy
Paul Broatch
Paul Cheng
Paul Ellicott
Paul Gallagher
Paul Gascoigne
Paul Genet
Paul Maskell
Paul McNabb
Paul Phillips
Paula Anderson
Paula Sullivan
Paulette Main
Paulette Petelo
Pauline Nidd
Pauline Shoemack
Penny Henderson
Penny le Page
Peter Craighead
Peter Egden
Peter Fuscic
Peter Harrison
Peter Headifen
Peter Langdon
Peter Maciaszek
Peter McCutcheon
Peter O’Donnell
Peter Oliver
Peter Redpath
Peter Richardson
Peter Wetherall
Phil Clarke
Philip Dreifuss
Philip Hope
Philip Miller
Philippa Tucker
Phoebe Bromiley
Phyllis Strachan
Priscilla Kirk
Prue McGuire
Raajan Sami
Rachael Adams
Rachael Adams
Rachael Dewar
Rachael Webb
Rachel Lohrey
Rachel Paul
Rachel Smyth
Rachelle Cavanagh
Raewyn Sporle
Rajan Rai
Raukawa Simon
Raylee Harley
Raymond Hovell
Rebecca de Farias
Rebecca Dean
Rebecca Holm
Rebecca Murphy
Rebecca Roukema
Rebecca Teirney
Rebekah Webby
Reuben Gubb
Rhonda Evans
Ric Sinisa
Richard Bedford
Richard Gay
Richard Jerram
Richard Lang
Richard Pidgeon
Richard Smith
Richard Sutton
Richard Swarbrick
Rick Grayson
Rob Collis
Rob Somerville
Robb Newberry
Robbie Lavën
Robert Hacking
Robert Handley
Robin Jones
Robyn Loversidge
Robyn von Keisenberg
Rochelle Johnson
Rod Hooker
Roger Clark
Rohan Cochrane
Rosaline Fuatai
Rose Wilson
Rosemary Carruthers
Rosemary Cox
Ross Dillon
Ross France
Ross Knight
Royal Reed
Russell List
Russell Walker
Sacha Nepe
Sally Buckenham
Sally McMillan
Sandi Bailey
Sandra Alofivae
Sandra Heney
Sandra Millar
Sao Timaloa
Sara Gracia
Sarah Bush
Sarah Duncraft
Sarah Fitchett
Sarah Heald
Sarah Holder
Sarah Hughes
Sarah Ineson
Sarah Little
Sarah Sinclair-Taikato
Sarah Vyle
Sarah-Jane Telford
Sean Kelly
Sean Quinn
Selina Trigg
Shane Robinson
Sharee Christensen
Sharon Chandra
Sharyn Otene
Shaun Gifford
Sheila McCabe
Shelley Sage
Shelley Stevenson
Sheridan Emerson
Sheryle Proctor
Sija Spaak
Simon Meikle
Simon Mitchell
Simon Shamy
Simon Travers
Simon Whitehead
Sione Fonua
Sonja Clapham
Stephanie Aitken
Stephanie Ambler
Stephanie Burlace
Stephanie Larkin
Stephanie Marsden
Stephanie Northey
Stephanie Rose
Stephen Clews
Stephen Gill
Stephen Hembrow
Stephen McCarthy
Stephen Munro
Stephen Ross
Stephen van Bohemen
Steve Macbeth
Steve Slade
Steve Taylor
Steven Kirkeby
Stuart Smith
Sue Barber
Sue Barnett
Sue Clark
Susan Hayward
Susan Hurley
Susan Marks
Susan Pearson
Susie Houghton
Susie Tait
Suzanne Coffey
Suzanne Robinson
Tania Belz
Tania Cook
Tania Davis
Tania McKenzie
Tania Tetitaha
Tania Williams Blyth
Tara Hurley
Tara Vanderkolk
Tarryn Rea
Tenille Homes
Terangi Bartlett
Terena Wara
Teresa Lawrence
Teresa Penman
Terry Kopua
Tim Black
Tim Braithwaite
Tim Lancaster
Tim Twomey
Tina Williams
Toni Brown
Toni Nelson
Tony Greig
Tony Krouk
Tony Lendrum
Tony Sweetman
Tony Thackery
Tracey Gunn
Tracey Norton
Tracy Johnston
Traicee McKenzie
Trudy Robertson
Vaioleti Ho Kum
Vanessa Bruton
Vao Gale
Vicki Thorpe
Victoria Anderson
Vimlesh Anand
Virginia Mills
Virginia Pearson
Vonja Young
Walter Swanson
Warwick Heal
Wende Bennetti
Wendy Weal
William Dean
Yuet Fah Wu
Zaheda Malkawi
Zandra Wackenier
Zelda Tope
Cheers, MurrayBacon – axe murderer.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 12:35 am
Most of the secret submissions have not shown up on the website, in any form. Adam Cowie’s submission has also not shown up, despite the Committee stating that they would change their mind and allow him to make a presentation.
I wonder what the women secret presenters said?
It is hard to reconcile the relationship between men’s suicide rates and women’s suicide rates to the way Government says it tries to treat men and women?
It is always hard to spot the gaps.
Cheers – over and out – MurrayBacon silently creeping axe murderer.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 12:46 am
This is an interesting section from Hans Laven’s submission.
I assume Hans that you are opposing this clause on the basis that it shows bias by giving one family group (the mothers) a preference and consequently you are seeking to have the families of the mother and father included by changing the word to groups.
The reason this would have been drafted in this manner is the legal definition of family. Family does not recognise mother and father, only parents who provide or care and pay for a child.
In other words, your interpretation of family recognises biological connection the law does not.
The use of the word family in this manner has been one of the most surreptitious and misunderstood political deceptions but it is not new – Hitler employed the same legal deception to promote his Aryan super race concept.
She did not mean that a biological family functions better in a community. Village, within her definition of the socialist agenda meant family as I have described above but I bet you a pound to a pinch of snuff that if you surveyed the world only a very small percentage would have understood this.
It is also not a new concept – Napoleon 111 did not like the idea and outlawed it by decree.
Even protesters such as Bob McCoskrie from Family First cannot get his head around this, which you can see in his media articles.
But this is the law and the law is based in definition and concept and while you oppose this Hans it will not be changed because your proposed change would be inconsistent with the law.
This is the nature of the civil society we are subjected to – the secular society rather than the sacred society that women desperately fought for, many without knowing what they were actually getting.
I highlight this point because it is a flash point or a point of conflict between public perception and what the law says.
Jim Bailey’s campaign was based on the natural biological family. Family First’s campaign is based on marriage but the political campaign is based on maintaining the law so that it can be enforced by Judges.
There is a much greater change required than that of putting an ‘s’ on the word groups.
Comment by Down Under — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 7:56 am
Thanks Down Under for your observation.
As far as I can see, “and pay” is quietly ignored by familycaught$ judges.
Research into genetics of parental relationship behaviours strongly underlines the impact of biology. Inheritance does not control future behaviour, but it is usually about 50% contribution, varying for different behaviours under study. Attempts to ignore our biological reality are doomed to partial success at best and countrywide social disaster at worst – for example present familycaught$ performance.
I have come across my own submission on the Parliament website:
or the submission as submitted is available here.
I like to think that I have covered the same breadth of topics as Grace Haden, but in more detail about making them workable in a real organisation. In the end this is necessary, for reforms to actually deliver advantage to consumers, socially and financially. MurrayBacon.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 9:46 am
If you look at this from an arrogant lofty point of view, judges enforce obligations to care for and fund a child. Parent is a non-descript entity, conscripted to function according to a code of law. The law doesn’t deal in emotion, yet we let it rule the family.
Comment by Down Under — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 12:28 pm
Down Under, when the “law” is running on a human animal, then all decisions are finalised in the emotional parts of the brain. Training may reduce the impact of emotions in some situations, but the impact is never zero. When decisions will later be reviewed by many commentators, there is some pressure to put in the effort to put sympathies aside. Sympathy is easily manipulated if the judge isn’t given the whole story. Manipulators are allowed to thrive when protected by secrecy and no working accountability (eg prosecution of perjury).
Watching familycaught$ in action, I am not sure what they are trying to do? The only consistent correlation that I can see, is mercilessly maximising their financial return$. They are often casual about gathering information, despite the inquisitorial powers given to them by Parliament, many many years ago.
Accurate input data just doesn’t seem to concern them or matter. This is why presently, I believe that a coin flip would deliver the best outcomes for children. Coins don’t wear out very fast, during flipping service.
If “law” was to run on a computer, then we could set the degree to which emotion and sympathy would be allowed to influence the final decision. I guess this is about 5 or 10 years away, but possibly much closer. The cost of legal work will be much lower, but generally of higher quality.
Which would you prefer to trust?
computer
coin flip
open court judge
secret caught judge
Cheers, MurrayBacon.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Mon 8th April 2013 @ 2:03 pm
I have studied this and a coin flip would actually produce better results for everyone. Everyone except obstructive mothers and the divorce industry, that is.
Comment by Vman — Tue 9th April 2013 @ 2:33 pm
Having been a mother who fought 7 long years to keep my children and my self safe I too could be classed as a steroid women. But I did what I had to do to keep me and my babies safe. Now sadly I support without question the father’s of my grandchildren for the same reason. The law cyps and my family see me as a traitor. Good luck to them as my grandchildren come first as did my children. More grandparents need to speak up there is no shame in having a voice, our grandchildren and men deserve thi god given right.
Comment by louise — Tue 6th May 2014 @ 8:54 pm
In contested Care of Children custody cases: Anything other than 50/50 Shared Care of Children unless a REAL (JURY) conviction for abusing your own biological children is CHILD ABUSE!!!
Comment by Phil Watts — Wed 7th May 2014 @ 12:23 am
Hear hear Phil Watts #11
Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Wed 7th May 2014 @ 12:28 am
The definition of child abuse needs to be reviewed. A child deserves to be able to have contact with all members of their family. Women have been empowered to use their children as assets. This is CHILD ABUSE! Until the court’s and Lawyers acknowledge this the battle that men undergo mentally and physically will never end. Reform is required and urgently if our future generations are to be whole well developed individuals. Sadly the hidden agendas of others effect all outcomes. Children need to be paramount at all times as they are our future citizens, lawyers, doctors, leaders of our nation. We are there first teachers. What are we teaching them? The 10 commandments need to be part of every day life, part of decision making, legislation if our battlefield is to be closed down. 100% shared care for mothers and father’s is a realistic outcome, when weapons are laid down. Qualitative outcome for all. 🙂
Comment by louise — Wed 7th May 2014 @ 8:33 am
Beautifully said, Louise. Care of Children Act 2004 does make that clear, but not to judges? Thanks, MurrayBacon.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 7th May 2014 @ 9:25 am
I agree with the mother who fought to keep her babies safe I am doing the same fir my granddaughter, urgent interim order signed by a judge without any background and the unbilogical father was having contact 3 to 4 times a week. Because my daughter after the case was clused due to her having to sign a parenting order under emotional duress as my granddaughter was kidnapped fir 14 days, judge held onto the warrent if arrest which the police was waiting fir. Then a month later case gets reopened again and because my daughter reap resented herself lawyers both child and other get really nasty and going fir full custody thus legal system is just that only a dollar sign on the child’s head
Comment by Acameron — Sat 31st October 2015 @ 7:29 pm