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Police Managers Guild on Family Violence

Filed under: Domestic Violence,Gender Politics,General,Law & Courts — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 1:04 pm Fri 31st May 2013

We were invited to donate money towards the booklet on Family Violence produced by the Police Managers Guild Trust. We asked to see the contents of the booklet first, explaining that we would not support inaccurate male-bashing propaganda.

Although the booklet makes some mention of women’s family violence as well as men’s and is perhaps an improvement on the kind of anti-male hate speech we routinely saw until recently, we declined to support it because other content continues feminist traditions of false propaganda and misandry. The booklet highlights the widespread unscientific confusion and poor advice that has resulted from feminist ideology regarding child behaviour management and adult conflict management.

We would appreciate it if others here could read the booklet and offer their observations on its content to assist us in providing a critique, including positive feedback.


  1. New Zealand studies indicate that in cases where women had been beaten, many of the children in the re

    lationship had also been abused. Interviewing children, researchers found that almost all could give detailed
    accounts of violent behaviour that their mother or father never realised they had witnessed.
    Battered women are more likely than other women to assault children.
    A United States study found that women who were chronically violent to their spouse were also likely to
    abuse a male child. The same study found that nearly all violent men assaulted their sons. (National Center
    for Health Statistics.)

    I thought that at least this was factual and introduced some balance.

    Comment by Vman — Fri 31st May 2013 @ 4:14 pm

  2. I don’t agree with the wishful thinking that there is a massive increase in crimes that always existed and are just recently being reported. I have never seen any evidence to support this.

    Most reported family violence is committed by men
    against women and children, although women, like
    men, can assault children. Recent statistics show
    that 80 per cent of all victims of family violence are
    women, more than 90 per cent of protection orders
    are taken out by women

    I object to this part. This is hiding several facts.
    Firstly men don’t report being assulted by women.
    Secondly if a man reported being asslted by a woman he will loose his home nad his children.
    Protection orders are mostly a tool used by mothers to gain custody. They have little to do with actual violence. More protection orders have not reduced family violence.

    Psychological abuse
    can include mind-game manipulation and control
    of someone’s money, time, vehicle or contact with
    friends as a way of asserting power over them.

    How many women in NZ have NOT done these thigns to their male partner? Not many. By this definition most NZ women are guilty of family violence.

    Comment by Vman — Fri 31st May 2013 @ 4:32 pm

  3. OK I stopped reading the rest of it.
    So I’ll give some notes:

    1. The booklet hides the fact that if the victim is male he will be removed from his house and he will loose custody of his children. This needs to be spelt out. it is rediculous to ask men to report this crime without telling them the consequences.

    2. The booklet needs to make it clear that the majority of voilce against children is perpetrated by mothers followed by mothers’ boyfriends. This is a simple fact and hiding it is not helpful at all.

    3. another positive is that there is a section that points out men are victims of family violence as well.

    Comment by Vman — Fri 31st May 2013 @ 4:37 pm

  4. Overall I think it is vast improvement on what has been published previously.

    Comment by Vman — Fri 31st May 2013 @ 4:38 pm

  5. 80% baloney.. 20% good material.. plus have you notice3d they put in contact details for all groups except for Men’s help group…

    Comment by kiranjiharr — Fri 31st May 2013 @ 6:20 pm

  6. Thanks for the feedback. A critique will be prepared in due course. Further ideas and assistance will be welcome.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Sat 1st June 2013 @ 10:23 am

  7. How about they just stop mentioning gender at all? Just focus on true facts like violence and abuse is wrong, surely that is the message right? Or is that too simple and obvious?

    Comment by Scott B — Sun 2nd June 2013 @ 7:15 am

  8. Mother cut her baby…stabbed partner in back…

    A mother cut her baby after she stabbed her partner in the back while he was holding the young child in a domestic incident in Christchurch last night, police say.

    The 23-year-old woman will appear at Christchurch District Court this morning after the incident in Barbadoes St around 7pm.

    Police said the woman and the 30-year old man were involved in a domestic-related argument at the address when she used a hunting knife to stab the man in the back.

    The man was holding the couple’s 14-month-old son at the time and the child suffered minor cuts during the alleged incident.

    The man was not seriously injured and was able to flee to a nearby address, carrying the child, and call emergency services.

    Police arrived and arrested the woman at the house, where a knife was found.

    Detective Sergeant Chris Power said the man and the child were both treated at hospital and discharged last night.

    “It is extremely fortunate the man’s injuries were not more serious,” he said.

    “They had the potential to be life-threatening.”

    The woman was held in custody overnight and will appear in court this morning facing two charges of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

    – APNZ

    Comment by kumar — Tue 18th June 2013 @ 11:00 am

  9. Hi,
    I was just skipping through the site and have felt a need to remind about how police acted upon my complaint. My wife dragged our daughter by the neck. My wife’s violence was long term and escalating. Although we had sought help from all the right places, she boasted that she was not required to take part. I called police as a last resort one day when I felt it only dumb luck my daughter had not been killed. The constable arrived. My wife was confessing. My daughter displayed the marks around her neck, and I was complainant. And so the constable asked me what I was doing to cause my wife to act that way. He added he smacks his kids too, and shame on me for calling them. Okay he did not arrest me – what luck. But he did enable the violence and abuse to continue for another eight months. My wife was refuged and by way of -false allegation- my kids joined her there. Statistically, that will be three victims of male-violence refuged. I was accused and so am likely recorded as an offender. These statistics are unrelated to the facts or reality. They are just stacked to suit their objectives. So excuse me when I consider Police as just another part of the problem. In no way are they defenders of abused children.

    Comment by Alan Radford — Tue 18th June 2013 @ 11:11 am

  10. #9Alan…similar expreiences.. I have heard…wife threatend husband..who called police..and police removed husband from the house as they concluded that husband is aggravating the threatening behaviour by being in the house.

    Comment by kumar — Tue 18th June 2013 @ 12:11 pm

  11. Newlywed Jordan Linn Graham Admits Pushing Husband Off Cliff

    A Montana newlywed may be facing life in prison after being charged this week for her husband’s murder after authorities say she admitted pushing him off a cliff at a national park just over a week after their wedding.

    Jordan Linn Graham, 22, told FBI agents that she and her husband of eight days, 25-year-old Cody Lee Johnson, were arguing on July 7 while walking in Glacier National Park near their home in Kalispell, Mont. when he grabbed her arm, according to an affidavit filed at the federal district court of Montana.

    “She could have just walked away, but due to her anger, she pushed Johnson with both hands in the back and as a result, he fell face first off the cliff,” the affidavit states she told investigators.

    Charging documents in the case reveal that Graham told a friend that she was having second thoughts about the marriage, and that she said that she wanted to talk about her issues with Johnson the night he died.

    Graham also sent a message to her friend saying, “”But dead serious. If you don’t hear from me at all again tonight, something happened,” according to the affidavit.

    Johnson was reported missing on Monday, July 8 after he failed to show up at work.

    When interviewed by authorities on July 9, Graham said that she saw “a dark colored car pulling out of the driveway” after receiving a text from her husband saying he was heading out with a friend from out of town, according to the affidavit.

    It was Graham who reported the discovery of Johnson’s body to a park ranger on July 11, according to the affidavit. When the park ranger commented that it was unusual that she was the one to make the discovery, Graham said that “It was a place he wanted to see before he died.”

    “He would come up here with friends to drive fast when his friends were visiting from out of state,” she said, according to the affidavit.

    Police had to use a helicopter to retrieve Johnson’s body from the steep cliffs below the park’s Loop Trail. His body was recovered on July 12.

    When interviewed by authorities on July 18, Graham admitted that she had lied about the death of her husband and provided false statements.

    Graham, who is currently in custody, made an initial court appearance Monday at a federal court in Missoula, Mont., on a charge of second degree murder. It was not clear whether she entered a plea at that hearing and her attorney, public defender Michael Donahoe, declined comment to

    Comment by kumar — Wed 11th September 2013 @ 2:32 pm

  12. (re #11): She may be facing life in prison but there is a greater chance she will get a reduced conviction because he grabbed her arm so she’s a battered woman, and even if she does get ‘life in prison’ that will probably amount to a few years. And unlike men in some US states, she almost certainly won’t experience the death penalty. Although women make up about 10% of arrests for murder in the US, women received only 2% of death penalty sentences and less than 1% of actual executions in the US since the 1970s. Female executions amounted to about 2.9% of the total number of executions in America since 1608. Talk about gender discrimination in the patriarchal era!

    Comment by blamemenforall — Thu 12th September 2013 @ 5:01 pm

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