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Dairy owner murdered, 12 and 13 yo boys charged.

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 10:40 am Thu 12th June 2014

NIS-4 page 152 page 5-20 Figure 5-1 only
Fatal Stabbing: Boys Charged
Thanks Sue Bradford and her arrogant feminist brigade that fought to erase male approaches, wisdom and strength from the area of disciplining children. We don’t know to what extent Bradford’s dishonest foolishness was a causal factor in this latest travesty, but we can confidently expect such events to increase into the future under her worthless legacy. Such a good idea to cut parents’ authority off at the knees, to limit parents’ options regarding discipline, to claim with false scientific justification that any fear children might develop of their parents is necessarily bad, and to encourage children to believe that their parents should never do anything children don’t like. Sure, youth violence has always been an issue but it has steadily increased since feminism has wrecked families, removed fathers and male approaches from children’s upbringing and disempowered parents vis-a-vis their children.

We don’t know whether these young thugs lived in households in which the DPB enabled the mother(s) to kick the boys’ father(s) out, but it’s a fair bet. We don’t know whether the Family Court applied its kangaroo justice in issuing without-notice protection orders to ensure these boys’ father(s) had little further role in their lives, but we wouldn’t be surprised. Yes, perhaps these boys’ violence can be blamed on their father(s) (and you can be sure that will happen), but it’s more likely that feminist policy is the main culprit.


  1. The point-blank truth that is known by everyone but no one will address. We need more causalities to happen (and no doubt they will), before people realize the effects of the social engineering policies that have been pushed down our throats by the previous socialist leadership.

    Comment by ashish — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 11:32 am

  2. My thoughts exactly when I heard this story break yesterday. Just a taste of the future and the decline of civilization. I can’t imagine not having my father when I was growing up to keep me on the straight and narrow.

    Comment by Ritche — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 11:37 am

  3. The first port of call in the blame game was our police.

    I heard the Police Commissioner on radio this morning, having to defend accusations about the quality policing in the area.

    Of course, it’s just a matter of law and order – the Police are responsible for the behaviour of children now.


    Comment by Downunder — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 12:48 pm

  4. I so much agree with Downunder. What should the police do about 12,13 year old wandering around committing crime, the answer is that the police have enough to do with adults and late teens. For younger people the first point of control should be the home. If the home cannot do anything then the home needs help and the adults in the home should be able to call on help. Are these ideas too wishy washy? Or has authority been removed from the home?

    Comment by andrew — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 5:09 pm

  5. @ 3 $ 4.. well you canmt blame mothers.. 😛
    so who is left??..

    Comment by kiranjiharr — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 5:32 pm

  6. Feminists and their self-serving social engineering.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 5:41 pm

  7. Surely the people who accept the child support will be happy to stand up and take responsibility, in proportion to the number of nights of care per year?

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 8:29 pm

  8. I’ll bet you a dollar to a dime that they grew up in DPB single parent homes devoid of a father due to the dads being booted out by the moms who used the government largesse as substitute husband/father.
    Also that they were schooled in an educational desert – bereft of male teachers due to the “all men are rapists, potential pedophiles” scare tactic meme and other forms of institutionalized misandry tacitly spread throughout education by feminists over the decades.

    Comment by Stephen Gee — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 10:23 pm

  9. Dear Stephen,

    dollar to dime, is a dime 5 cents? if so, then your odds are 20:1.

    See Figure 5-1. Incidence of Harm Standard Maltreatment by Family Structure and Living Arrangement
    page 152 = page 5-20
    from: Fourth National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect (NIS-4)
    Report to Congress

    This figure shows the prevalence of maltreatment is about 10x higher in solo mother with partner family, than married biological parents. (Doesn’t matter which type of maltreatment, the ratios are about the same for all cases.)

    But as solo mothers are only about 20% of the parents, we would expect that the likelihood that these two children are from solo mother’s households, to be about 0.3, leading to odds ratio about 3:1.

    If anyone takes you up on the bet (before the truth is published), then you should be making easy money.

    The responsibility should follow the people making the decisions. So I want to know who and what the parents are?
    Why aren’t we trusting fathers more?

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 12th June 2014 @ 10:48 pm

  10. This Stuff News report is about a 19 year old who set an acquaintance on fire – he has been denied parole again on the basis he still poses a risk.

    (Matt Dillon) Shannon was celebrating his 17th birthday at his home in Hastings in August 2011. Shortly after midnight, he poured petrol over a 16-year-old and set him alight with a cigarette lighter as three others held him down.

    Shannon claimed to have been copying a stunt he had seen on a Jackass movie.

    There is no a great deal of difference in circumstances, a little older, criminal stupidy rather than intent to rob and there was injury rather than death.

    There is no attempt to join the dots and a totally different political perspective.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 13th June 2014 @ 2:32 pm

  11. Oops – ended the blockquote in the wrong place.

    Labour tried to make this a law and order issue but they seem to have shut up about it pretty quick. This is what makes them so hamstrung as a opposition – they are hung up on failed ideology.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 13th June 2014 @ 4:20 pm

  12. Skeptik was on the button:
    In essence the children’s parents are all residing at her majesty’s pleasure and the children are being cared for by grandmother, alone. Sole parent, by her children’s poor choices, not her own. Nonetheless, she was out of her depth, caring for out of control teenage boys. Society should take responsibility, not leave parents in situations out of their depth.
    Parents of boys charged with stabbing have records

    5:00 AM Sunday Jun 15, 2014
    Accused in Kumar case both have parents who have found themselves in trouble with law.
    Arun Kumar’s son Shivneel stands by his father’s coffin before the funeral yesterday. Photo / Michael Craig
    The parents of both boys charged over the death of a dairy owner are in jail or facing active criminal charges.

    As shopkeeper Arun Kumar was farewelled in a moving service among his family and friends in Wiri, South Auckland, further details of the lives and families of the 12- and 13-year-old boys can today be revealed.

    Because the boys are so young, their names are suppressed. However, the Herald on Sunday has learned the 13-year-old murder accused’s mother appeared in court this month on dishonesty offences and breaching bail.

    The Herald on Sunday understands the 13-year-old’s father is also in custody.

    The 13-year-old had been in the care of his maternal grandmother, who was praised by relatives as being a “golden lady”.
    “She has been the backbone of family making sure everything is going well for those kids,” said a relative.

    Family members described the boy’s mother as having had a difficult path despite the support of her mother, now the caregiver for her children. She was a toddler and her younger brother was a baby when their father died.

    Family said the grandmother has lived at the house for many years, caring for her daughter’s children. The home is modest and secure, with a recently added full height security gate on the driveway.

    As Kumar was being farewelled, family and friends gathered at the grandmother’s home, where she had cared for many of her mokopuna.

    A great-aunt of the 13-year-old said the boy and his siblings were supposed to be in the care of their maternal grandmother in Auckland while his mother was in prison.

    “They were all fine when they were up here, we have heaps of kids up here but they are country kids and we bring them up differently, there is a lot of temptations down there for them to get into,” she said.

    Meanwhile, the 12-year-old’s father spent his birthday in custody this month on violence charges.

    The boy’s mother was last before the courts about five years ago. She was convicted and sentenced on a dishonesty charge.

    Kumar was farewelled by hundreds, including family friends, and Labour MPs Rajen Prasad and Phil Twyford, Auckland mayor Len Brown and deputy mayor Penny Hulse, at Ann’s Funeral Home yesterday.

    His daughter Sheenal told mourners: “We hope to be your children in our next lives.”

    “Everything you did in life was for us – and we are really glad to see us become the people you hoped we would become,” she added on behalf of herself and brother Shivneel.


    “Your honour and dignity will live through us,” Sheenal added.

    We missed out on the opportunity
    and the honour of taking care of you
    in our older years. It saddens us both
    that we won’t have that opportunity.
    Sheenal Kumar
    Despite the circumstances of Arun’s death, master of ceremonies Sam Achary told mourners not to ask how or why the crime occurred, or to seek recrimination, but to comfort one another.

    “The family is going through a difficult time today.

    “Tomorrow it could be any one of us.”

    Extended family members spoke on online networks this week of disbelief and disgust at the stabbing.

    Yet some friends in the same social network seemed to laugh off the incident.

    Kumar, 57, died on Tuesday morning. His wife Anita was in the shop during the attack and remained by his side as the ambulance arrived.


    – Herald on Sunday

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 17th June 2014 @ 8:37 pm

  13. For relative risk factors, for solo mother, see graph at top of this post.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 17th June 2014 @ 8:39 pm

  14. Murray (#12): We are not given a full story about the home situations for these boys. That one’s father is currently in prison and the other’s father was in prison recently on remand, doesn’t tell us whether those fathers had been kicked out of their sons’ lives before that anyway. The boys’ mothers, as well as being thieves, may well have been living on sole parent bounty.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Tue 17th June 2014 @ 9:53 pm

  15. If solo mothers were on trial for their performance as care givers – it is certainly not without-evidence!

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 18th June 2014 @ 8:38 am

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