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Filed under: General — Bruce S @ 7:01 pm Fri 3rd January 2014

“A shocking exposé of the inner workings of the $50 billion a year U.S. family law industry, Divorce Corp shines a bright light on the appalling waste, and shameless collusive practices seen daily in family courts. It is a stunning documentary film that anyone considering marriage or divorce must see.”

Whilst United States centric; there are so many parallels that this could be New Zealand. Movie coming soon….or will it be banned here?

More details here:


  1. This documentary would be relevant to all WESTERN NATIONS. This industry is the silent killer of life and is more destructive to society than HIV virus has ever been. Check out the trailers …….

    Comment by triassic — Fri 3rd January 2014 @ 11:22 pm

  2. This documentary would be relevant to all WESTERN NATIONS. This industry is the silent killer of life and is more destructive to society than HIV virus has ever been. Check out the trailers “¦”¦.

    Comment by triassic — Sat 4th January 2014 @ 8:10 pm

  3. Its a great movie / documentary very well done.

    I have the blue ray DVD here in NZ if anyone wants to see it,

    YES it is extremely extremely relevant to NZ.

    This information needs to get out to the public ,

    Comment by Dominic Dilligaf — Wed 5th March 2014 @ 9:35 am

  4. Hi Dominic; I suspect getting the information out to the public is a bit like applying repellant after the mosquito has bitten. There’s a lot of apathy out “there”; folks only get excited once they’ve been trapped in the vortex. Navigating the traps of a marital breakdown from the first protection order, through the procession of family court lawyers, family court rulings, to the ultimate marital property disbursements (kids included) and fractured family payments is a human beings worst nightmare come true. Only problem is; we don’t seem to be able to educate anyone about this before hand; they just have to experience it for themselves. Personally; I preferred canoeing over the Huka falls.

    Comment by Bruce S — Wed 5th March 2014 @ 4:05 pm

  5. Bruce S,

    The message “Divorce Corp” has to say to young men has already gone out through other means and started to have an effect. Hence the growing MGTOW movement where you can find young guys who HAVE been educated beforehand and hence already avoided the traps you mention of modern day marriage/de-facto relationships.

    Comment by Skeptik — Tue 11th March 2014 @ 6:41 pm

  6. Watch “Divorce Corp” for free by signing up for a 5 day free trial of this s video treaming service here –

    George Sorge, the Director of “Divorce Corp” gives an interview about the documentary and it’s background here –

    Comment by Skeptik — Tue 11th March 2014 @ 6:57 pm

  7. With respect, how young are these men who think of marriage and decide to GTOW? Are we talking about men in the teens, 20’s or 30’s?

    Someone said something interesting to me the other day. Something about every 3rd (was it another number) generation rebelling against tradition. It has to do with wealthy families and there’s a generation they assume they have lost and they compensate for it.

    On another note.

    I think young men from the minority groups are going for what spoilt boys are walking away from and I place poorer European families into that category. There’s definitely a shift in power occurring, IMO, and I think it comes down to ‘what a person values’.

    It’s an interesting subject, to me. Apparently this stuff goes back 100’s of years.


    BUT, it has nothing to do with young men looking at marriage and walking away to GTOW. I personally haven’t come across this yet (yet means I expect to). They are probably from well-to-do families since they are already looking at loss of capital and cash. I don’t know those sorts of people (grateful I don’t, lol).

    Comment by Julie — Wed 12th March 2014 @ 7:19 am

  8. Thanks for the link to the 5 day trial.

    Comment by Julie — Wed 12th March 2014 @ 7:32 am

  9. “I think young men from the minority groups are going for what spoilt boys are walking away from (women) ”

    To call young men who are smart enough to avoid the multiple traps of modern day marriage “spoilt boys” is just an example of terrible shaming rather than understanding and empathizing.

    Comment by Skeptik — Wed 12th March 2014 @ 9:30 am

  10. Damn, my writing disappeared. It is annoying when you spend time writing and it just disappears, lol.

    Skeptic, I though I made it clear women had nothing to do with what I was talking about. Once again, my apologies. I don’t like to involve women and children in men’s status, position and power within men’s circles, which is what I am talking about.

    Funnily enough, I was in discussion about young men (and older men)regarding status, position and power in men’s circles with my doctor at lunch time because he is part of the team I have for my non official nephew whose been damaged because of his parents. He was sharing stories of clients, without giving them away, that have opted out of this sort of thing. Since they don’t do it because of women, I can get away with sharing my doctor says some have 80 year plus mothers caring for them. I guess you could say they are spoilt, lol.


    I am aware you deal with far, far, far more young men than I do. I asked what age these fine, up coming in status young men that you can only say positive things about, are. 🙂

    I am curious.


    My thoughts and what I mentioned is irrelevant to the online men’s movement thus irrelevant to MGTOW.

    Comment by Julie — Wed 12th March 2014 @ 3:05 pm

  11. Hey (dear) friends and readers, I just want to say that I consider myself a visitor when it comes to men’s sites, the same way I am a visitor to a rugby club that allows women in their gym. My opinion is not relevant in the sense the movement does not build on how things affect me, like the gym does not arrange equipment to suit me. It would be sad if women decided how men run their movement or gyms or other men’s spaces. (Please, if you feel the need to comment about my words above, just email me. I say it for a reason.)

    Some of you are close to me in that we have protested together, shared speaking engagements, worked on a project or two together and think much alike when it comes to putting the children as a priority after separation. Some of you are teaching me things I didn’t know or challenging me to open my mind. Some of you are considered friends in my view. Some of you I will get to know as time passes.

    I think in a lot of ways great stuff is happening for men all over the world and the movement is coming together nicely on an international scale.

    You are all fabulous men for helping other men and boys and for putting your precious time and hard earned money into making a difference. People from the government to small community groups don’t consider how you have to do things late into the night, early the next day, because they don’t calculate how you didn’t have someone providing for you as that was considered your job. (I see the stay at home dads give a great deal too)

    MGTOW (men go their own way) is a fabulous concept, IMO (I didn’t always say so – sorry about that). It puts the human aspect into a man, IMO. Yesterday, on the sports radio station they read out a statement from a 26 year old football player who has quit his career saying he doesn’t want to be an entertainer of a violent sport any more. He had awesome things to say which made people think hard about the demand placed on men who play professional sport. They talked about the concussions, the way they put their lives at risk and more, even questioning whether doctors allow them back on the field when their bodies are not ready.

    MGTOW is a statement saying, IMO, “I no longer wish to be disposable” as much as it’s telling women, the government, etc, IMO, “I don’t like the rules in which I am used as a chattel”. I hope it really takes off because one thing men say to me is, “When we had the campaign ‘Girls can do anything’, boys were expected to take the humiliation when a girl beat them at something, expected to let the girls beat them at times, and told off for not protecting the girls if they hurt themselves when attempting to beat the boys”. What crazy expectations.

    One thing I know for sure is that others will gain status, position, power and money from your sacrifices while you’ll be the forgotten heroes. For sure there will be the payoff, “Job done” and many of you won’t care that you’re not remembered for you didn’t do all this for the glory which doesn’t exist when you’re considered the ‘bad guy’.

    I’ve got to know a good number of you men, and it’s been a positive highlight in my life. If I come across as an argumentative visitor, please try to think that it’s me being silly and that I am still growing in this kind of work. I have always and will always think well of you all.

    ……. I had nothing of value to add by this drivel. Tsk tsk. I just wanted to say how great I know you are. And thanks for letting me in your lives. For all new comers,… you have excellent men here to learn from. I really hope 2014 is a great year for New Zealanders.

    Comment by Julie — Wed 12th March 2014 @ 6:45 pm

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