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Futigive Killer Phillip Smith

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 4:26 pm Tue 11th November 2014

I think this story is worth following.

There is comment from his estranged father.

He used a passport in his birth name of Phillip John Traynor, and was not stopped at the border as his conviction was under his Smith alias. (I am wondering if that is he mother’s maiden name?)

From what I have seen in the media so far this is a story about a father who lost contact with his son in his infant years.

The child latter went wayward and tried to make contact with his father in his teenage years, which didn’t work out, and he went on to a life of crime which included murder.

The Father wants him locked up for life because he is evil.

There is plenty of comment going on around the case which we can link to in comments.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this case.


  1. Another product of father loss. I heard the father interviewed on the radio; he speaks of his son as if a stranger and an enemy. The father would not let the son as a teenager live with him because he didn’t approve of the son’s delinquent behaviour. His idea of showing fatherly guidance at that stage was to take him for a drive ‘in the hope of talking some sense into him’, driving him past Auckland prisons dozens of kilometres apart to warn him that’s where he would end up. When the son did end up in prison the father disowned him totally because he hates sex offenders.

    We don’t know whether the father just didn’t bother to maintain a relationship with the son when younger or whether the mother made this difficult. The latter is by far the most common scenario, and the fact that his mother moved with the boy away from the father’s city then changed the son’s surname from Phillip Traynor to Phillip Smith suggests she had little respect for the boy’s paternal heritage or need to identify with and be guided by a father. But Mr Traynor shows remarkably poor insight into the role his own absence and then rejection probably played in Phillip’s worst offending that came three months after being rejected by his dad.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Tue 11th November 2014 @ 5:03 pm

  2. WTF is the fuss all about??? He did his minimum time of 13yrs prison time. Now he has left NZ and relieved tax payers of financial burden and his victims worry free of contact with him. For the life of me I cannot see a negative side to his absconding. I bloody well wish all recidivists were so easy to get rid of. Once again the pathetic media run a story with fuck all substance to it. How boring can news get?

    Comment by Kant — Tue 11th November 2014 @ 10:22 pm

  3. Is it true, that the only people with enough brains to run the prison system, are locked up in it?

    If so, then what should we do? What can we do?

    I can see a job advertisement:
    Prison Officer
    Job To carry the blame for the escape of Phillip Smith.
    Employment period From today, for 2 weeks.
    Must be skilled at playing the victim role, able to whimper and gather support for defenceless causes and willing to die in public.
    Not bear any grudges against the people responsible.

    Far better to recruit someone to take the blame, than for One of Uzzz to suffer in any way.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 12th November 2014 @ 11:36 am

  4. Update

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 13th November 2014 @ 5:14 pm

  5. I have no sympathy for Mr Smith. He has murdered; he has sexually abused a child. He may have a hard-luck upbringing story; so have many of us – we do not end up committing the crimes he has been found guilty of.
    I have 3 thoughts.
    (1) Revoke his passport; simply let him make a new life overseas. Just simply don’t let him back in NZ.
    (2) leave him in prison in Brazil. Seems to me he’ll rue leaving the comfort on New Zealand prisons.
    (3) Assuming he is deported quicklyback to NZ , as seems likely, how come, when he lied about his criminal convictions when entering Brazil, and consequently can be quickly deported; and Kim Dotcom who apparently did likewise, still hasn’t been deported?

    Comment by Sarah Haras — Fri 14th November 2014 @ 6:19 pm

  6. Good comment Sarah.
    I doubt that anyone here has much SYMPATHY for this criminal.
    Many fathers (including this man’s father) have the experience of sons and daughters becoming delinquent after being forcibly separated from their fathers.
    I have heard the comment (from a friend who works in prisons, with criminals, that almost all are from father-less families.
    I agree- how come Kim Dotcom hasn’t been deported- however his crimes are reportedly theft, not murder or sexual abuse.

    Comment by John Brett — Sat 15th November 2014 @ 8:12 am

  7. Kit Dotcom’s crimes may be less; however he has played the media and politicians like a game of cards. For him to be deported would now cause incredible embarrassment to them.
    The issue around Philip Smith and deportation are not necessarily the magnitude of this crimes. Lying about them (not admitting them) is exactly and precisely the same as what Kim Dotcom has allegedly done. Grounds for deportation are therefore identical; its a matter of willpower to deport, which it seems Brazil may be only too obliging.

    Comment by Sarah Haras — Sat 15th November 2014 @ 8:22 am

  8. I think the issue with Kim Dotcom is that he has (and was given by government) New Zealand residency, which entitles him to the protection of The State.

    … and there is always the danger that we relegate men to issues rather than discussing the menz situation.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 15th November 2014 @ 3:42 pm

  9. @John Brett

    I doubt that anyone here has much SYMPATHY for this criminal.
    Many fathers (including this man’s father) have the experience of sons and daughters becoming delinquent after being forcibly separated from their fathers.

    How did the child become delinquent, following an out of control mother who was allowed to choose what she did to the child, and so the father later in life encounters a child who has learned to hate and looks to blame someone for what has happened to him.

    Dangerous outcome?

    If the family court had a history of extinguishing hate rather than supporting women’s bullshit we wouldn’t be seeing this type of situation.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 15th November 2014 @ 3:56 pm

  10. Someone helped him:

    The 25-year-old man charged with helping convicted murderer Phillip John Smith leave the country while on temporary release from prison has been named.

    Christopher Clifton, of Whanganui, has been charged with making a false statement in relation to Smith’s address in contravention of the Passport Act, TVNZ reported.

    The charges were laid on December 9 by the Auckland-based police investigation.

    Clifton was today remanded on bail to appear at the Whanganui District Court again in January.

    Here’s the other side of the story:

    Smith, 40, yesterday pleaded not guilty to escaping custody and will go to trial.

    He appeared by audio-visual link in the Auckland District Court charged with escaping custody and a charge under the Passport Act of gaining a passport by supplying a misleading particular.

    He pleaded not guilty and told Judge Eddie Paul he elected a trial.

    Smith, who was sentenced to life in prison in 1996 for murdering the father of a child he sexually abused, left Auckland on a flight to Chile a few hours after getting out of Waikato’s Spring Hill Corrections Facility on a temporary release in early November.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 17th December 2014 @ 3:37 pm

  11. In NZ technically speaking he didn’t escape, he obsconded. The system let him out the door, he just didn’t return. The prisoners that obscond don’t get listed as escapes in statistics and they usually aren’t charged with escacping custody.

    Comment by too tired — Wed 17th December 2014 @ 9:41 pm

  12. The absconding principle has applied to work parties, where a prisoner was said to have run off rather than escaped.

    In this case being over the sovereign boundary and outside the country is to be outside the authority of the state.

    The same principle is being applied to child support and student loans where the defaulter is no longer a defaulter but escaping the financial custody of the state and being stopped at the border.

    Men are not seeing this, how our society is turning into a slave society by stealth.

    Comment by Downunder — Thu 18th December 2014 @ 7:12 am

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