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Working With Real Evidence

Filed under: General — MurrayBacon @ 7:26 pm Wed 22nd January 2014

How to use a HIDDEN CAMERA to protect yourself

AUSSIE, KIWI, EUROPEAN, AND SAFFER BROTHERS: Please forward to those you know online in the areas concerned in Canada or nearby who might benefit from this. New York State, Main or New Hampshire/Vermont Activists might well be close enough to travel for this course.

In this course you will be shown many types of the latest miniature hidden spy cameras that are worn on your person and that are stationary. You will learn how to use hidden camera and hidden audio recording

devices, choose the right device for your situation, prepare for its use, secure the audio or video for use as evidence, and protect yourself.

Andy Srougi has some 30 years experience working as a specialist in Emergency Management Systems but is best known for his work as a human rights activist for Fathers-4-Justice during which time he was accused numerous times by crooked police and lawyers who tried to frame him and have him imprisoned to cover up criminal and corrupt activities. In 2013 he faced 14 years in prison for being falsely accused of threatening to kill Quebec’s Chief Judge but was acquitted by a jury due to a video he took surreptitiously using hidden spy equipment that proved his innocence. Without that video he would have been jailed for 14 years!

Andy will teach you how to choose the right device, how to prepare for a delicate situation, how to practice, how to best use the device to get the most out of it, how to behave when using it, how to store your evidence to avoid seizure, and how to protect yourself. You will even be shown detection equipment and taught some basic surveillance and counter-surveillance techniques. You will also learn how to use your cellular or a tablet to help you in tough situations. And, you will learn how the use of this equipment can be perfectly legal and how it can be used in court.

This course is 2 hours of hands on training in English (and French). In addition to the training, and included in the cost of the course, you will receive one of the latest and most effective miniature hidden cameras available today, which you will be able to start using immediately. This device will be used in the course to help you learn the various techniques necessary to be successful in obtaining the protection or evidence you require.

Montreal: Tuesday evening, March 11th 2014 from 7 to 9 pm.
Quebec: Thursday evening, March 13th 2014 from 7 to 9.
Ottawa: Tuesday evening, March 18th 2014 from 7 to 9 pm.
Montreal: Thursday evening, March 20th 2014 from 7 to 9 pm.

You must reserve by Friday February 7th 2014
Participants will receive a preparation document upon registration. From Jeremy Swanson, Canada.
If fathers in NZ are interested, we could run a similar exercise here, as part of a Self Representation Seminar. Anyone interested, please get in touch.


  1. Can we have this in NZ as well?

    Comment by kumar — Thu 23rd January 2014 @ 9:22 am

  2. Its Sad we have to do this to protect ourselves from selective ‘evidence’ and outright lying in court by our wives and their lawyers and the police.

    Please put me down as a starter for any future plans.

    My wife was proven to be a liar in court and due to her police connections and their influence on the judges who are either corrupt, or just self serving, and/or anti-male Judge PR Grace ignored it and still gave her a Protection Order even though i have never hit or shouted or imposed my will or even hurt her feelings in all our 2 decades together!

    Protection Orders increase danger to women and children and the only reason their is not more violence is that men are protectors and providers by nature. Sadly, a lot of women take advantage of that fact.

    Police-State, Tax serf.

    Comment by Sane in an insane world — Thu 23rd January 2014 @ 10:47 am


    Comment by anoninnz — Thu 23rd January 2014 @ 11:37 am

  4. Truth and Facts are not what the system wants – truth and facts – do not support this corrupted system that is only benefitting lawyers ……and anyone else looking to make revenue from a parents despair and distress.

    If we take both family court and the Child Support systems – they both rely on hearsay, unsupported opinion, bias from disgruntled and narcissistic ex partners, and of course anything which will keep conflict alive for as long as possible – resolving conflict is NOT in the systems best interest.

    Have you noticed how child support IGNORE filed tax returns, and any other facts concerning your income and employment – preferring to use “evidence” given by the ex – supported by nothing evidential, and your kids who are used to spy on your life to count assets available for taking…..

    Again this only supports those making revenue from your despair…….

    truth and Facts – are the biggest enemies of conspiracy and corruption – but getting Truth and Facts tabled and presented – are the biggest hurdles facing humanity today.

    Until there is some independent oversight by people other than lawyers – nothing will change – they will not investigate themselves, they change the laws to protect themselves and they will continue to rape good parents of all they have until they are forced to answer to an independent authority……….

    Comment by hornet — Thu 23rd January 2014 @ 1:14 pm

  5. The point that most people find difficult to accept, is the humanity of the caught$ process.

    If the judge or jury have sympathy for you, or at least more sympathy for you than the other side, then you don’t really need much evidence, possibly even no real evidence at all.

    If for some reason, sympathy is against you, then even having quite a lot of hard evidence may not be enough, to persuade a sceptical or unwilling listener.

    Most people evaluate their own collection of evidence, with their own eye (sympathetic to themself). This is fine, if you are happy to arrive in caught$ and get the opposite outcome!

    So, if you want to have an odds on chance in caught$, before you even look at evidence, consider the sympathy stakes.

    If you cannot rely on having sympathy on your side, then you need hard, good quality evidence. You need to be able to persuade the coldest, cruellest hanging jury or judge, that there is no possibility that you are guilty. You need someone to look over your evidence, as Devil’s Advocate. You may not like what they say, but this does give you the opportunity to go and get the additional evidence that you might require.

    Even then, you won’t persuade them, it is just if you have shown them that your evidence is so complete, like a chain of evidence that proves you are innocent (in other words if they decide against you – you can clearly appeal and win), then they are forced to accept your evidence.

    If your evidence is hard, strong and complete, then you have two avenues of appeal, through the caught$ and through the media to public opinion. It is often that appeal through media is the only way that you can raise sufficient pressure, to force an unwilling judge to listen to your evidence.

    Although legal workers talk about standards of proof, in terms of balance of probabilities and beyond reasonable doubt, these are distractors from the foundations of human decision making, which lie in emotions and sympathy.

    If you don’t believe me, just waltz into any caught$ and find out the hard way!

    It is always better to have evidence and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
    After the event, it may be difficult or impossible to get the evidence that you might require.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 24th January 2014 @ 8:13 am

  6. @murraybacon
    EXCELLENT! No matter where or what, the only thing you can rely on or appeal with… Is the facts as seen in the evidence!

    Comment by Rachel Rolston — Tue 28th January 2014 @ 8:14 pm

  7. Dear Rachel, you may have misunderstood? I am trying to warn people, that evidence that appears strong to them, may have surprisingly little influence in caught$, if you haven’t got sympathy well under control and on your side.

    Evidence is only strong if it links tightly together, to prove what you want to claim. (Also that its collection, care and management can be documented, to show that it hasn’t been manufactured or tampered with.)

    Non-custodial mothers can have as much difficulty, as any father. Sympathy is fickle and doesn’t show up clearly and honestly in caught$ documentation. Yet it has more impact than evidence, which should show up in caught$ documents.

    If you want to know what your odds would be in caught$, you need to attend a large number of similar hearings. By doing this, you will easily be able to see and hear and feel sympathy flowing in these cases. (But if they were familycaught$ cases, it will be hard for you to know what was going on, as you won’t have seen the affidavits and the familycaught$ is easily cleared by claiming domestic violence accusations at some time in history.)

    Even so, hard evidence is the next best thing to secure sympathy. If you can’t manage the sympathy, then your only remaining possible hope, is hard evidence.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 29th January 2014 @ 7:26 am

  8. Balcony man ‘recorded everything in flat’

    An Australian man who owns the Gold Coast apartment where Wellington woman Warriena Tagpuno Wright fell to her death reportedly recorded “everything” inside his flat.

    Gable Tostee, who was understood to be the last person to see Wright alive, still refuses to talk to police about the incident.

    Tostee, who has boasted of balcony sex and more than 150 sexual conquests, has claimed to have wired his apartment with security cameras and said he was “somewhat obsessed with recording everything”.

    It was not clear whether the cameras were still operational on the night Wright visited but Australian media today reported police had taken his mobile phone, other digital equipment to examine his recordings.

    The reports also said a phone belonging to a close friend of Tostee had been confiscated. It was understood the man was contacted by Tostee after the fatal fall from the Avalon apartments.

    Wright, 26, died early on Friday morning after spending the night with Tostee – a man she is understood to have met through dating app Tinder – at his apartment in Surfers Paradise.

    He was not there when police arrived at the scene…………

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 13th August 2014 @ 5:23 pm

  9. Gable Tostee murder trial: ‘Thank goodness he did press record on his app at 12.55’

    The other thing that is apparent, looking back at this trial, is how misleading information was given to media by the police. I hope that Australian Police look at their performance throughout this investigation and actually learn from what they did. It really does not give trust in the police, for defendants, for complainants or for the wider public.

    Given NZ’s history of police abuse of court processes, our police should also try to heed these same lessons.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 20th October 2016 @ 9:35 pm

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