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Adam’s Christmas present to Eve

Filed under: Domestic Violence,Gender Politics — Downunder @ 10:55 am Fri 18th December 2015

Stop right there. It’s not a religious post.

I know how much some of you detest … the slightest incandescence … of religion gracing the texts of this site but I can’t help seeing the humour in the fact that our current Women’s Minister has the surname Adams.

Before I go any further, I’d like thank another poster ‘Equality’ for raising this issue in the previous post. Good spotting, and I don’t mean to make light of the topic. It’s very serious indeed.

This is the sort of thing that would easily slip under the radar, in the Rucks and Malls of Xmas, and is typical Silly-Season behaviour from politicians, while each of us is running around like a ‘Bat out Hell’ trying to create a little peace and paradise for the kids.

There’s an opinion piece here, that cuts to the chase,

Secret Santa is alive and well, handing out the big Xmas pressy to White Ribbon and the billion dollar Domestic Violence Industry that exists in this country. Yes, this is an industry that rivals Fonterra, it’s now the backbone of the country.

It sounds a bit tongue in cheek, but the DVI (Domestic Violence Industry) is probably a bigger contributor to our GDP (Gross Domestic Product), than the US election is to the American economy, but please get an independent opinion from an economist before you quote me on that.

What also interested me was another recent post about progress on men’s human rights in New Zealand and what we might expect from the HRC and their current engaging with some NZ MRAs (Men’s Right’s Activists’) I’ve expressed a candid opinion here, and suggest we’d more likely get sympathy and support from Black America, than any elevation of our social status to ‘equal with women’.

But let’s put aside the gold, frankincense and mirth for a moment (I do know it’s myrrh) and get back to the serious part.

The bottom line of the article linked to above is a bit Orwellian,

Instead of having a policy that will create the mandatory gossip-gossip ‘Oh, what came back in his Police check’ and a further lowering of our marginal birth rate, why don’t we pass a law that says that all men must have their domestic-violence clearance papers on them at all times. (We’ve already got a similar policy for child-support defaulters to stop them escaping the country)

What do you think?


  1. Did you see there’s another item. Tina Cross, has released a hard hitting anti violence song for Xmas with a choir and police support. By the photo with it, tits a kids choir and in my book, such brain washing is child abuse.
    Tis the season to vilify our sons and torch them with neat hatred – but let one of those male victims refer to one of his torturers as a “Bi**ch!”. Now that would be out of order – but only for those already supportive of with the popular anti-male bias.

    Comment by Equality — Fri 18th December 2015 @ 12:54 pm

  2. “We’re all in the same waka,” she said. “The kaupapa is the same for us all, sworn officer or non-sworn. The most important thing is what the song can deliver.”

    We’re not all in the same waka, because any man that walks away from domestic violence is the bastard that walked out.

    Any women that (walk away) are courageous heroes, honoured by society with the medal of the victim, without looking at whether they qualify for the award.

    If there is a double standard it comes straight from The House of the Bitch.

    It’s no wonder men go their own way, even the polite ones MGTOW.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 18th December 2015 @ 1:11 pm

  3. Downunder, that sure strikes a chord with me. I add that a father who takes the kids is a “kidnapper” and will have police hunting him. This even if he is trying to rescue the kids from female violence. Lacking any real refuge, what else can we do? I have driven up the island in terror all the way terrified that we would be apprehended around the next bend. No way we are in the same waka. In our case the state supported, advised and financed the offender, but only worked to ruin me and my ability to stay a possible parent for the kids – same waka? yeah right.

    Comment by Equality — Fri 18th December 2015 @ 5:54 pm

  4. When you’re a lone voice, it’s hard to be heard, and hard to find help.

    There was a time when the system created many of us, and we joined together, and became the Union of Fathers.

    We won a battle (not the war) and the system calmed down.

    It’s been careful not to create too many of us since.

    It would be interesting to compare notes sometime, to know how difficult it has been for you.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 18th December 2015 @ 7:09 pm

  5. No problem Downunder. [email protected]

    Comment by Equality — Sat 19th December 2015 @ 4:43 am

  6. Firstly, I agree with MGTOW and I regret the defensive, insulting responses that may well have driven a longstanding, intelligent contributor away from MENZ Issues.

    Secondly, I understand that the song sung by Tina Cross was funded by the police. It’s called ‘walk away’ and is similar to the Women’s Refuge policy that women should leave any male partner if he shows any degree of abuse. The song is sexist with some gender-specific lyrics. No encouragement is given by WR or this song to try to improve the relationship, or to recognize both partners’ contribution to relationship conflict and abuse in most cases. The applicable definition of ‘abuse’ of course is incredibly broad and vague, and amounts to ‘anything a man did that a woman disliked’.

    I guess the police have invested in this song as a business plan, knowing that it will generate plenty of demand for their services as children from many broken homes grow up to become delinquents and criminals.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Sun 20th December 2015 @ 10:23 pm

  7. Men and women are natural allies and are a formidable force. MGTOW are false opposition IMO. They give the same result as feminism: that is the breakdown of families and falling birth rates (happens in the West only – the places where we have feminism and MGTOW types)

    Comment by Doug — Mon 21st December 2015 @ 4:19 pm

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