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Filed under: General — triassic @ 4:34 pm Mon 3rd August 2015

This story Was front page news. It is only when one reads the facts that the headline disintegrates. The girl in the bikini was not attacked at all. Her boyfriend was the target of aggression because he took umbrage at the guys being cheeky. Things got out of hand and an object was thrown and hit the girl. This is not happening in NZ, no, this is happening way over in Louisianna USA for God sake. Why the F*** would this WELL SPUN story be of value to readers way down under? Only the Herald knows the answer to that but I’m pretty sure some wanker in the office has an anti-male agenda and the Editor is now happy for the paper to be a gossip piece. What a pathetic newspaper it has become.


  1. been saying that for years, the herald is a joke.

    Comment by too tired — Mon 3rd August 2015 @ 10:53 pm

  2. Yeah, noticed that one today. Deliberately misleading to foster sympathy for the woman (who deserves sympathy) but more importantly to push propaganda about women being victims. In fact, men are much more often the victims of violence in most countries, and a lone male walking around late at night is more likely to be violently assaulted than a female.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Tue 4th August 2015 @ 12:05 am

  3. Although not from the Herald this is another example how feminists can create a story out of nothing, and lie to you by manipulating the facts to present some irrational agenda.

    ‘They pay us less, won’t promote us and now new research shows the patriarchy is making us freeze at work.’
    Yes you can tell the genre of the author by this comment, especially by the use of the patriarchy word.

    ‘Because we’re using more energy trying to keep men cool we’re warming the planet.’
    ‘Women feel comfortable when the room is 25 degrees Celsius, men at 22 degrees Celsius.’
    So in summer the air conditioning has to work harder to get to 22 deg. What the report does not say is that during winter to go to the female 25 deg would require more energy. In countries were high temperature is normal this may make the female argument valid, but in large proportions of the world to get to 25 deg will mostly need heating, not cooling.

    ‘The pair studied the physiology of 16 young women who performed light office work and found that their metabolic rate is significantly lower than the standard male values used.’
    Like most research intended to create a sexually bigoted result, men don’t participate in the research. If their metabolic rate is lower, then this is an indication that they were not working as hard as the males. Refer to their own patriarchy comment.
    Also in some environments the temp is a controlled 20 deg due to this being the standard temp for science etc.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 4th August 2015 @ 12:11 pm

  4. Help

    This morning I listened to an interview on a study on fathers. The study looked at death rates influenced by the age at which they became parents. A rep from Father and Child trust participated in an interview.
    Can anybody find a copy of the research?

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 5th August 2015 @ 8:50 am

  5. J Epidemiol Community Health doi:10.1136/jech-2015-205627
    “¢ Research report
    Is young fatherhood causally related to midlife mortality? A sibling fixed-effect study in Finland

    Elina Einiö, Jessica Nisén, Pekka Martikainen

    Background: Previous studies have shown that young fatherhood is associated with higher later-life mortality. It is unclear whether the association is credible, in the sense that mortality and young fatherhood appear to be associated because both are determined by family-related environmental, socioeconomic and genetic characteristics.
    Methods: We used a household-based 10% sample drawn from the 1950 Finnish census to estimate all-cause mortality of fathers born during 1940-1950. The fathers were followed from age 45 until death, or the end of age 54. We used a standard Cox model and a sibling fixed-effects Cox model to examine whether the effect of young fatherhood was independent of observed adulthood characteristics and unobserved early-life characteristics shared by brothers.
    Results: Men who had their first child before the age of 22 or at ages 22-24 had higher mortality as compared with their brothers who had their first child at the median or mean age of 25-26. Men who had their first child later at ages 30-44 had lower mortality than their brothers who had a first child before the age of 25. The pattern of results from a standard model was similar to that obtained from a fixed-effects sibling model.
    Conclusions: The findings suggest a causal effect of young fatherhood on mortality and highlight the need to support young fathers in their family life to improve health behaviours and health.

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Wed 5th August 2015 @ 2:27 pm

  6. Thanks MOMA

    Back to the Herald who has done article after article on the Amy Adams DV changes.
    Surprisingly this research that shows that government’s behaviour towards young fathers kills them, is missing from the Heralds reporting.
    It has a strong correlation to 1999 midwife research that showed that 100% of NZ teenage fathers experienced suicidal thoughts, which was then hidden away so the public couldn’t find it.
    I would also suggest that the data is out of date due to the test subjects not coming from the modern era. IE prior to the imposing of feminist idealism in western countries.
    I would also suggest that NZ statistics will be worse. Finland is feminist but it has policies that include fathers, EG paternity leave. NZ on the other hand is the most sexually bigoted man hating country on the planet, were the killing of men is like a national sport.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 5th August 2015 @ 3:08 pm

  7. You can now listen to the Wednesday morning NewstalkZB interview of Brendon Smith from Father & Child Trust on early the death of young fathers – it starts at 8 mins 30 seconds in.

    Comment by JohnPotter — Fri 7th August 2015 @ 9:50 am

  8. wrong link?

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 7th August 2015 @ 10:02 am

  9. Got it. You get a time counter on a full screen.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 7th August 2015 @ 10:07 am

  10. Thanks MoMA and D J Ward for these references.

    It has a strong correlation to 1999 midwife research that showed that 100% of NZ teenage fathers experienced suicidal thoughts, which was then hidden away so the public couldn’t find it.

    DJ, can you provide the reference that you are talking about?

    The Finnish paper referred to by MoMA is open access. I found it with a Google search for the details provided by MoMA above:
    Is young fatherhood causally related to midlife mortality? A sibling fixed-effect study in Finland

    These effects have to be very substantial, to show up in national statistics, diluted among men of all ages, married and not married.

    There is something very wrong with societies, when things get that bad, without the society constructively addressing these issues.

    It is unfortunate that the study authors saw the deaths as solely being due to behaviours of the fathers themselves. There was no consideration for the self value impacts of dealing with relationship vandals in familycaught$, or midwives who ignored or belittled fathers, or social workers or police who cut out fathers from being involved in decisions about the care for their children. (These are all issues that MoMA has drawn attention to in recent years.)

    After having my eyes opened to father’s suicides, by Dr. Viv Roberts, I recorded my own experiences in familycaught$. Years later I saw the same judge, hidden under a different name, trying to steamroller Evgeny Orlov in District Caught. She looked more like an assasin, than a disinterested servant of justice.

    Example of delivering suicide triggers – judge dale green

    We are talking about large numbers of men, more like the road toll, than a few DV murder victims.

    Thanks to everyone above, for bringing this info out into the open.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 7th August 2015 @ 2:35 pm

  11. It would be very interesting to run a similar study on NZ data.

    This should then allow the increased causes of death for young fathers to be pulled out of the data. This would then give fairly strong evidence of the causal relationship and the sources of the stresses causing the additional deaths.

    The study authors have not mentioned the word suicide at all?

    The only group of researchers who explicitly look at marital separation and resulting suicides, are Prof Diego De Leo’s group at Griffith University, in Queensland. Due to careful official gathering only of non-evidence, it is very difficult to demonstrate the linkages to the plunders in familycaught$.

    Murray Bacon.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 7th August 2015 @ 2:51 pm

  12. The study was conducted in 1999 as a result of midwives having the fathers at the births, but then on the visits following the birth of the child the father had disappeared from the child’s life. They decided to do a study to find out why. This I think was in the south island. They found it difficult to find males that had been teenage fathers. I believe in the end they found 23.

    The study showed that they were pushed out of the child’s life immediately after birth.
    They all cried in the interview when asked to describe the experience of being at the birth of their child.
    They had all experienced suicidal thoughts as a result of how they were treated. This could be a reason why they were so hard to find, many are dead.
    The female researcher described the research as profound and disturbing.

    In 2004 a male studies researcher found the reference to the research being conducted, and went looking for it.
    It was not published and was found hidden away in a draw somewhere.
    An article was published in Aug 2004, in the herald ‘I think’ as I read the paper version at the time. I believe the digital version that was in the herald was an edited version compared to the print version.
    An issue of the listener focused on this research. After the herald article. I think it was titled teenage fathers and used a Shortland street actor as an example. I will add that the listener version quickly swung to talking about the issue from a female perspective.

    I have been looking for the research for a while now but can’t find it. Sorry guys.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 7th August 2015 @ 3:08 pm

  13. Hell we couldn’t have males being viewed as sentient beings – that wouldn’t suit the Feminist agenda – get rid of that study real quick!

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 7th August 2015 @ 4:36 pm

  14. So the herald decides to put this bit of feminist propaganda on their front page.

    Morgan Tait is the NZ Herald’s police reporter.
    Why then is she reporting on this?

    ‘During the late stages of her pregnancy she dealt with the break-up of her relationship with Mason’s father’
    Read #12 above.
    Did she name the father on the birth certificate?
    Is he allowed to be involved in the child life, EG 50/50 care?
    I’ll take a guess that he has been pushed out and excluded.

    ‘Henderson Teen Parent Unit’
    So what teen parent unit is the father involved with?

    ‘She’s quite independent and wants to do it all herself’ followed by, ‘It’s all us providing for her’
    Unfortunately for the vast majority, there is no rich mummy and daddy. It is the government that supports them.
    Did they search all of NZ to find the only one who doesn’t get state support?

    Comment by DJ Ward — Mon 10th August 2015 @ 9:07 am

  15. Here we have the editor participating in a clearly bigoted and apologist propaganda.

    Article 1
    Article 2

    From article 1
    “began to be noticed in secondary schools 15-20 years ago.” This is when our old system was abandoned for the current system.
    “The problem was denied by educational research at that time”. Feminists are good at ignoring the truth.
    “that suited girls more than teenage boys”. So they noticed the problem but chose to deny and ignore it, because it was biased in favour of females.

    “The failure of men to foot it with them educationally in equal numbers is no reason to change the education system or promote men undeservedly.”
    I’ll say that again WTF! Men don’t deserve equal opportunity or effort by the education system, or an education system that performs as well for males as it does for females.

    From article 2
    “There are now just 91 men for every 100 women in the 25-49 year age group – fewer than there were in 1945 after the world wars demolished our male population.” So editor, what is demolishing our male population for this to be the case now?
    Then there is a deliberate effort to disguise the true extent of the problem. “there are 155 females aged 30-34 with a degree or higher educational qualification for every 100 males in that age and qualification group”. This is countered by a reader comment from article 1.
    “No surprise, especially since there are a dozen scholarships available for women for every one available for a man, especially at post-grad level. Last year the gov’t was boasting that 65% of all tertiary graduates are women. And once you get into uni, the lecturers in subjects like ARTS are all so rabidly feminist guys don’t want to hang around for post-grad, where in some classes I’m outnumbered 6 to 1. Can certainly understand the ease with which NZ has gone downhill socially after experiencing the b.s. at a NZ university.”
    The long term result of this figure is 200 females to 100 males, far more than the editor presented, downplaying the reality of our sexually bigoted education system.

    Then there is the normalising of female sexual offending. “Nowadays those low-income women have got choices in terms of going on the benefit. It might not be the best life, but they can have kids without having to partner.”

    “For most policy-makers, disadvantaged men are a deeply unsexy group of people,” says Chapple. Yes this statement says it all. If females are disadvantaged, they are sexy to politicians (white night syndrome), but if they are male, punish them more, and more. Until they comply with feminist ideals and power and control.

    “It’s a huge issue for these guys, particularly when they are young. They have no role in society and they create a lot of social problems.” Yet government does nothing to support them, other than provide them with free bracelets.

    “As a society, we’ve got to be interested in equality for these guys. No one is out there saying we need 50 per cent of nurses to be male.” OMG you would think the editor put that in to rescue himself from criticism, but no. The editor has an endless list of articles that say, women are not 50% of this or 50% of that. But somehow that’s OK.

    Bigotry is a culture at the Herald, led by the Editor.
    Look at the comments in art 1, at least the public can see the BS.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 21st August 2015 @ 11:02 am

  16. And the bigotry from the Herald continues with this.

    From Womens Refuge “To encourage more reporting, we need to have victims convinced that they’re going to be treated seriously when they do report and that something’s going to happen.”. Of course they were not talking about males making complaints, because the police with the ‘38% DV victims are male’ clearly don’t give a shit if the victim is male. Then there was this bit of propaganda ‘Women’s Refuge chief executive Dr Ang Jury said police believed they only saw about 20 per cent of family violence’. Taking into account that 50% of IPV ‘IE male victims’ is completely ignored by the police, even when the victim is pleading with them to treat them fairly, this 20% figure is not surprising. The police in effect admit that they are blind to justice, unless the victim is female.

    “To encourage more reporting, we need to have victims convinced that they’re going to be treated seriously when they do report and that something’s going to happen.” Yes that’s how the police treat men, hence males don’t bother reporting female violence and sex offending.

    “Family violence, in particular, thrives best in silence and in secrecy.” Pity that this is public policy when examining violence and sexual offending towards males.
    Also in the where to get help section. Only Womens Refuge can help you. This makes a complete mockery of everything that was presented as the truth in the article. Like being treated seriously.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 21st August 2015 @ 11:33 am

  17. And the bigotry from the Herald continues with this.

    Why? because they are willing to slander this person without presenting any evidence that the person, because of their comments, deserves some sort of critical response.

    The Herald with the title “Maurice Williamson accused of making sexist, misogynistic jokes at conference dinner” in effect makes any person reading it, become subject to developing the belief that he is sexist, and is misogynistic.

    Yet the Herald is to stupid to work this out. “A guest told One News that Mr Williamson was making jokes which “made many feel uncomfortable”.” This is one persons opinion, and in no way represent the opinion of others. The individual who made this comment has no way of knowing how ‘many’ feel.

    Yet the Herald is to stupid to work this out. “Another told One News that Mr Williamson, who was MC for the gala dinner, was acting “like it was a stag do”.” Which is really interesting due to the fact that a stag do is a precursor, cultural ritual for an event where the male expresses his love and commitment to a women. Now that’s got to be misogynistic. Guess all those bridal showers are fully misandrist.

    Lets take a guess. The herald will never publish what he said due to it not actually being sexist, or is only sexist in the mind of a loony feminist who thinks that even letting the man speak was wrong.

    What if it was sexist, but funny? Is it therefore wrong? because making fun of, and being derogatory towards males is a national pastime for the media. They would never publish the sexually bigoted comments of Amy Adams, or Jacinda Ardern with a similar title and connotations. Without evidence.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 3rd September 2015 @ 11:52 am

  18. I’ve always thought that Kiwis and Aussies should be commended that were the last ones to buy into this PC nonsense about appropriate humour.
    Kiwis and Aussies somehow seem to be able to sledge and poke fun at each other without being accused of racism.

    This mans comments were meant to be light hearted but of course because he is a male its deemed inappropriate and female humor police pounce.
    Women that wave their hands about publicly referring to all males as potential rapists and abusers of women and children. Personally – that’s what I find offensive.

    In this article:
    :- He also used the names of Muslim denominations to make a joke about the weather: “Shiite in the morning and Sunni in the afternoon.”

    That’s actually reasonably funny.

    My late father used to tell one:
    A Muslim comes to NZ and has an sight test for his drivers licence. “Can you read the bottom line of the eye chart”? Says the doctor,
    “Read it”? – ‘ I know the guy’.

    My dad wasn’t the best at telling jokes.
    But luckily he died before being told that it was inappropriate that he should even try.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Thu 3rd September 2015 @ 12:45 pm

  19. And the bigotry by the herald continues.

    Sexist? Guess they are to sexually bigoted to notice this.
    ‘The conference hosted a women in business breakfast the following morning. It was aimed at mentoring women into senior management position, which was like “going from the ridiculous to the sublime”, she said.’ Now there is sexism in the workplace. Did they have a Men in Business Breakfast? Maybe they need to contact the human rights commission to see if this is OK?

    And this, ‘Sue Moroney, Labour’s spokeswoman for Women’s Affairs, said Prime Minister John Key and Minister for Women Louise Upston should be seeking more details about what caused the apology.’ So did they contact the Labour spokesperson for men for an opinion? No because the Herald engages with and condones man hating sexual bigotry, as standard practice.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 3rd September 2015 @ 1:40 pm

  20. What spokesperson for men? No NZ political party has one, as the NZ government doesn’t have any Ministry representing the interests of men (and therefore no Ministry representing reason, accuracy, fairness or good sense).

    Comment by Man X Norton — Thu 3rd September 2015 @ 3:03 pm

  21. @ 20, I was gonna ask that too- but you seem to have answered the question yourself MAN X Norton. Reason , accuracy, fairness -is the enemy of NZ Policiy makers.
    Any man who represents males interests would be considered a terrorist.
    I would put my hand up for the job but there’s many men that contribute to this forum that are wiser and more polite.
    I’d be happy to nominate some.

    Our country is hijacked by ideology from a group that have control over all policy and they claim to be the only ones that can count or add.
    I’m actually surprised there’s no pink on the new flag options.
    One wise man recently called it –
    “intellectual deforestation”.
    I think that sums up the situation well enough.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Thu 3rd September 2015 @ 3:27 pm

  22. Perhaps I should have said. ” count, add or multiply.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Thu 3rd September 2015 @ 3:32 pm

  23. ‘Intellectual deforestation’, like it!

    Comment by Man X Norton — Thu 3rd September 2015 @ 7:14 pm

  24. Maybe it is just because there is a letter sitting there, somewhere, that you haven’t yet opened?
    Did you forget to take some of the tablets? (I often have that problem. In the dark, it is hard to see the small blue ones.)

    Only the paranoids really know what is going on……

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 14th October 2015 @ 10:21 am

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