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The Red Pill movie about MRAs

Filed under: Domestic Violence,Gender Politics — JohnPotter @ 7:51 pm Mon 7th December 2015

A female film-maker is soon to release a documentary about the Men’s Rights Movement. Funding was withdrawn when it became apparent that her film was “balanced and “giving the MRAs a platform'”.

The preview for this movie shows interviews with Voice For Men founder Paul Elam, Dr Warren Farrell, author of The Myth Of Male Power, along with Dean Esmay, National Coalition For Men, and Erin Pizzey, founder of the first Woman’s Refuge.

In the UK Telegraph last month:
The Red Pill: the movie about men that feminists didn’t want you to see

Jaye began the process as a feminist, but she ended up not only sympathising with the MRAs, but fundamentally questioning the “aggressive” ethos of modern feminism.

For her efforts, she says she has been smeared, threatened with “career suicide” and even saw her funding dry up – to the point where the movie was unlikely to see the light of day.

But then something incredible happened: via a Kickstarter fund, a “global army” of 2,732 free speech advocates (of both genders), raised a staggering $211,260, ensuring the movie’s cinematic release.


  1. There are some intelligent moral fair minded women, like there are men with the same attributes.. It sounds like this woman is one might be of them.
    I do cringe though that our perspective is managed by the extreme feminists. That is, they talk about “Women” and so we feel we have to respond with “Men”. But as a Dad of girls, I champion their rights equally with my own. So I can’t take a gender position, and I won’t allow the feminists to make this a male vs female matter.
    In my view its sufficient to champion rights equally for everybody. By doing that, we are never guilty of the prejudice the feminists are guilty of.
    Maybe its easier to say this than carry it out in practice – I know that. We live in a prejudiced world where prejudice is the norm, and so to talk in terms of justice and fairness is portrayed as us being at fault.
    But the policy and awareness to do with resisting the feminists setting the perspectives is important all the same. One set of laws, enforced the same, regardless of race age and gender is a policy which would best serve every one of our nearest and dearest.
    Don’t we just mirror the feminist prejudice if we fight for male rights?
    I prefer – simply rights.

    Comment by Equality — Tue 8th December 2015 @ 5:03 am

  2. Once we’ve fought this bitter war between male and female, and common-sense prevails, we’ll decide that equality exists between compatible couples, not between the sexes.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 8th December 2015 @ 7:31 am

  3. I say well done to the woman producing this movie and listening to males.
    In the intro she reveals a moment of contemplation. It seemed that she was asking herself- why when all this makes sence am i still skeptical that I am being led on somehow?
    The answer is the same for most women and probably most men.
    From kindergarten we males are taught that when a girl takes your toy truck off you in the sandpit you will be removed from the sandpit for smearing wet sand in her smug face, because she is female she has a special entitlement to treat you any way she wants without responsibility and males should accept this or be considered naughty and punished.
    Most men, myself included only realise how damaging to society this frame up is when sitting in a cell falsely accused. Very few women, almost none- manage to see past this ingrained brainwash.
    Do we have a Karen Straughn or a Janice Fiamengo in New Zealand? I cant think of any.
    By the way I wrote to Janice Fiamengo a couple of weeks ago to thank her for her comments on youtube about international mens day.
    Id like to share a portion of her encouraging reply as its relevant to this post.

    “We’re living in crazy times with far too many either caught up in the madness or too dumb or scared or indifferent to do anything about it. Its quite dispiriting at times.But what can one do? We can only keep on resisting.”
    Then she quotes
    “Retain the power of speech no matter what other power you may lose…Do what you will,but speak out always. Be shunned, be hated, be ridiculed, be scared,be in doubt,but dont be gagged. The time of trial is always.Now is the appointed time.”
    John Jay Chapman 1900

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Tue 8th December 2015 @ 5:45 pm

  4. The woman from the southern poverty law centre (SPLC) says that that SPLC has defined men’s groups as ‘hate groups’. good grief. You can be pretty sure that if she had her way, ‘haters’ (people who debate the opinions of feminists) would be executed or sent to a mental asylum.

    Comment by Doug — Wed 9th December 2015 @ 2:41 pm

  5. Poor things. Sounds like they’re trapped in a state of intellectual dependency.

    Comment by Downunder — Wed 9th December 2015 @ 3:06 pm

  6. Doug – Not defined or listed as a hate group.

    This relates the website “A voice for men” and their “bash a violent B….” month/article. Essentially this was a mirrior of a article “anyone beaten up their boyfriend, cause we have and we liked it” article. It was labeled at the bottom as satire, referenced the first article and unlike jezzabel only discussed defending oneself once already under attack. It also made clear that this was a political statement/thought experiment and they do not want anyone to hit back as the men are likely to go to jail.

    The SPLC then put them on “hate watch” basically saying they did not like the article and will watch further for any pattern of inciting hatered or violence. They did not find this and AFVM asked for and got a letter confirming they were not being watched and were not ever labeled as a hate group.

    This has not stopped feminists, including Jezzabel loudly proclaiming they are a registered hate group with SPLC at every chance.

    Similarly – fathers rights groups have been targeted as hate groups by womens refugees and assorted feminist groups, as these groups have recieved abusive calls, bomb threats and harrasment. It is fair to assume that these come from motivated men – ie controlling and abusive men who have just lost their families, and perhaps others who have just lost the plot in a stresful situation. These groups however make this jump without any evidence, and then take a further jump to blame their political opposition – whoever is the local fathers rights group. Again there is never any evidence to connect the fathers rights groups, nor have their talking points been relayed as demands. But it seems to suit thier purposes in marginalising the opposition, and yes they still use this tactic today.

    Comment by JnF — Tue 15th December 2015 @ 11:07 am

  7. We should keep in mind that there is no such think as a ‘hate group’. The SPLC is a nothing organisation and like so many similar ones (feminists come to mind), its just a bunch of well qualified but ignorant liberals who just want to be admired as caring, beautiful people. Faced with inconvenient facts, they resort to insults and name calling. The danger of these beautiful people is that they are anything but

    Comment by Doug — Tue 15th December 2015 @ 4:59 pm

  8. Time then for us to start THE OFFICIAL Hate Speech Group Register. Here’s a list of contenders; those contributing here can be a panel of experts to decide who goes on the list. A similar process could be used to consider a request to remove someone from the list.
    White Ribbon
    Women’s Refuge
    Rape Crisis
    International Center for Advocacy Against Discrimination
    United Nations
    NZ Labour Party
    NZ Law Commission

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Tue 15th December 2015 @ 7:27 pm

  9. #8 MOMA
    You forgot the Green Party.
    The women’s spokesperson surely hates men.

    But then again.
    No party has a men’s spokesperson.

    IE parliament is a hate group.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 15th December 2015 @ 7:46 pm

  10. I went into the police station today where A giant white ribbon dominates the foyer at one end and another at the other.
    In the middle of the room displayed on the wall is the constables oath that promises police will act – ‘without bias’

    I was there to make a complaint that I was put in a cell for 50 hours and charged after being attacked by a female.
    The accusation from the police was “being a male assaults female”.
    Yet as police had a sworn statement from my attacker that I had been attacked without provocation and no evidence of any retaliation then clearly my crime was “being a male assaulted by a female”.

    I will be there again tomorrow to complain again as I have regularly since police admitted ‘no evidence’ in court this year.
    A inspector told me last week that the file could only be opened to charge me again and I wouldn’t want that because a man has a snowballs chance in court accused by a woman. (his words)

    I have all of the contents of the file and take it in with me almost daily and have only requested an explanation of the actions police took against me.

    The inspector has assured me that it wasn’t personal.

    If it was personal, there may be hope that the same wont happen to the next guy.
    Police refuse to sit down with me to look at the paperwork and discuss it.

    Police are also a hate speech group. And a hate action group.

    I will continue to protest against the crime police claim of “being a male” and the cruel way it is administered to male victims of female assaults.

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Tue 15th December 2015 @ 8:13 pm

  11. NZ Green Party is now on the list of contenders, thanks DJ Ward. Possibly we don’t want to go too general such as NZ Parliament because that would be used to ridicule the register. But actually, it would be justified.

    Well done ‘voices’. Sorry if you have already informed us but have you made an official complaint to the ‘Independent’ Police Complaints Authority about the improper prosecution and the police’s subsequent refusal to help you understand what happened?

    For that matter, someone might make a formal complaint about the white ribbons. No man can be confident of equal treatment from a police force that supports a sexist campaign against violence only when it’s against women. Having white ribbons at a police station basically tells any male seeking police assistance that the police don’t care much about violence suffered by men and that police care only about violence committed by men towards women.

    We have said this many times and will say it again. A similar campaign either singling out or excluding any other group on the basis of genetic inheritance would be considered unacceptable, so why is it ok to do this to men? If the police station displayed the logo and slogans of a campaign saying ‘Take the pledge never to commit or remain silent about violence towards Pakeha’, how would Maori feel about seeking police services?

    Comment by Ministry of Men's Affairs — Tue 15th December 2015 @ 9:34 pm

  12. Thanks ministry for men, yes I did make a complaint to ipca about my situation but no action will be taken and no answers to my questions were given.
    Good idea to complain about the police Christmas decorations ,I will do that and I will use the analogy that you have supplied as an example.

    Comment by Voices back from the bush — Thu 17th December 2015 @ 6:08 am

  13. There is an International conference about Mens issues in UK in July.
    It would be great to have a NZ representative attend. And there’s a high chance that our issues will be given some light as its often customary to give the person who’s travelled the farthest the chance to speak.
    Let’s not let the Aussies have the honour.
    Has anyone got plans to go there?

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Sun 21st February 2016 @ 1:33 pm

  14. Anyone ?

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Tue 23rd February 2016 @ 7:05 pm

  15. Host a screening $250 US
    Feminist film-maker criticised for making ‘balanced’ men’s rights documentary – The Guardian
    Stop Extremists Censoring What Australians Are Allowed To See. Save The Red Pill screening

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 25th October 2016 @ 5:21 pm

  16. Seems like host screening starts at $500 Murray.

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Thu 27th October 2016 @ 2:03 pm

  17. Voices – things seem to change fast!

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 27th October 2016 @ 7:08 pm

  18. Jim Bailey is organising a screening of The Red Pill.

    1700 Shower and travel to ** The Red Pill documentary **, beginning 1900 hrs at Sallies Otahuhu 99 Church St.

    Location: 99 Church St

    When: Friday, 16 December 2016 5:00 p.m. – 11:00 p.m.

    Organizer: Jim A K Bailey

    View your event

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 15th November 2016 @ 9:26 pm

  19. #18 I’ll be there with bells on ! Will let others know.

    Comment by golfa — Tue 15th November 2016 @ 9:53 pm

  20. Correction Red Pill screening
    Date: Friday, 16th December
    Venue: 99 Church St, Otahuhu
    Time: arrive from 6:30pm, movie starts at 7:00pm
    Ticket price: Adults $12, Concession $8 (students with ID and pensioners), Family pass (parents and unlimited children) $40

    While we do welcome families (there will be a creche available, and an audio feed to the foyer should you have a baby with you), please be aware that mature themes (suicide, domestic violence, rape, sexual assault, and circumcision) are covered in this documentary. Parents, please use your discretion 🙂

    To make a donation to help cover our costs, PM the page 🙂

    To purchase directly from Eventbrite:

    More Details

    The documentary they tried to ban! Controversial feature-length film The Red Pill is coming to Auckland for an exclusive, one night only screening. Don’t miss out!
    In March 2013, feminist filmmaker Cassie Jaye set out to document the mysterious and polarizing world of the Men’s Rights Movement, fully expecting to find a misogynistic hate-group aiming to turn back the clock on women’s rights.

    However, after spending a year filming many leaders and followers within the movement, and learning of the various ways that men are systematically disadvantaged and discriminated against, she began to question her own beliefs.

    The Red Pill challenges the audience to pull back the veil, question societal norms, and expose themselves to an alternate perspective on gender equality, power and privilege.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 16th November 2016 @ 7:44 pm

  21. Sorry – The Red Pill screening has not yet been confirmed. I understand that the organiser doesn’t yet have enough financial backing for the up front $500 USA fee.

    So if you are able to financially support this screening, please get in touch through Jim Bailey.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Fri 18th November 2016 @ 8:51 am

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