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Father, Estranged, Homeless…..and dead

Filed under: General — Bruce S @ 1:50 pm Thu 30th June 2016

Stuff story here:–reports
…and reprinted, in part, below as Stuff have a history of letting material “expire” or just disappear.

Probably no big surprise to many of the readers of MENZ that we have yet another dead father, Daniel Binder, in the news. Too early to draw any factual conclusions as to the reasons why this father was out on the streets; suffice to say had there been any serious criminal charges against him, he would have been locked up, and presumably safe.

The questions I have are quite simple; did this father have no family or friends who were prepared to house him temporarily until other more permanent arrangements were made? Was there no agency or support available in Te Awamutu to at least give the man shelter for the night?

Condolences to those who were close to Daniel.

Bale body identified as homeless Te Awamutu father

Last updated 13:23, June 30 2016

The man whose body was found in a cardboard bale in Hamilton has been identified as 40-year-old Daniel Bindner, a homeless father of three. Detective Inspector Hywel Jones revealed details of the grisly discovery at a media briefing on Thursday. The body was found at a Hamilton recycling factory.​

Daniel Bindner was last seen at McDonald’s in Te Awamutu on June 21 where his image was captured on CCTV. His body was later found in a cardboard recycling bale in Hamilton.
He was reported missing on Monday- just 24 hours before his body was discovered.

He was understood to be homeless. “We believe he was sleeping rough in the Te Awamutu area…certainly in the days leading up to his death,” Jones said.

Police were focusing on building a picture of Bindner’s movements after he was seen at the McDonald’s in Sloane Street. “From that point we are trying to establish what his movements were,” he said. He wanted to hear from anyone who could help police track Bindner’s movements before and after that date.

Jones said the cardboard Bindner was found in appeared to have come from the Te Awamutu area and they were tracking trucks that worked that route to establish exactly where Bindner was picked up.

​Bindner was described at a European man, about 176 cm tall, of medium build and with dark brown medium length hair.

He was recently estranged from his wife and had three children aged 16, 7 and 5.

Jones said they were receiving support from Victim Support. “They seem to be holding up okay at this time,” he said. Jones said the cause of death continued to be unexplained. “A post mortem was conducted yesterday and concluded yesterday.

“But at this time the results of that are inconclusive. We await further results over further weeks to pinpoint the cause of his death. “We’ve followed numerous lines of enquiry in the Te Awamutu area. “We believe at this point that Mr Bindner was picked up in a reclycling truck and deliver to OJI solutions in Hamilton.” Police scene examinations at the OJI Fibre Solutions recycling plant have now been completed.


  1. No doubt the IRD will be emptying his bank accounts in the next few days.

    Comment by golfa — Thu 30th June 2016 @ 3:27 pm

  2. Why on earth didn’t he go to a Men’s Refuge? Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Thu 30th June 2016 @ 4:00 pm

  3. Fonterra executives with their multi-million dollar salaries have much to answer for and chances of WINZ helping out or even caring are slim given the total incompetence of staff in Waikato region.

    Comment by JONO — Thu 30th June 2016 @ 4:31 pm

  4. It may be that he fell victim to foul play, just one of the many risks of being turfed out of your home on a so-called ‘protection order’ or Police ‘safety order’. Or he slept in a cardboard recycling skip.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Thu 30th June 2016 @ 10:44 pm

  5. Only paedophiles wish to kidnap children from 5050 parental rights. Kidnapping a dad’s children is attempted murder as there is no greater bond or protector than their father.

    Comment by phil watts — Fri 1st July 2016 @ 10:03 am

  6. for my Tregear-Watts children, Joshua, nathan and stephanie held by the ‘domestic violence’ ‘protection order lie con fidence scam used by government kidnappers all over the world.

    Comment by phil watts — Fri 1st July 2016 @ 10:07 am

  7. I hope more facts can be brought to light around this case. How much shit had the state heaped on this poor man before driving him to his grave. I’ve had a guts full of this.

    I’ve just been through an administrative review, of course the IRD ruled in favour of my ex-wife. I’m now supporting my current partner and 3 year old son plus 77% of my 2 children from my previous relationship. I literally have more expenses then income. Credit to the IRD they did give me $17k for my annual living expenses even though I pay $22k in rent alone per year. WTF? My ex-wife has $700k in house equity I have nothing.

    I’m considering going to the Family Court to contest the ruling. Any advice?

    Comment by Richie — Fri 1st July 2016 @ 10:10 am

  8. @Richie (#7) Hi Richie – more “facts” were revealed in an update to the article I posted earlier. Daniel Bindner had a rocky relationship with his partner; he lost his farm job, income and the farmhouse that went with it. So he gets to live on the streets as a result of separating from his partner. I don’t know why he chose the streets option but presumably he had no family or friends to call on for help.

    As to your current situation re going to family court? My advice is don’t! If you thought IRD were female friendly you aren’t going to find it any different in the family court. I am not being flippant; I have been through precisely the same thing you are going through – lost millions to my ex; and ended up with stupidly high “child support” payments for one daughter. I couldn’t get my head around how one child could “cost so much” when her mother had already stolen all my assets and had the means, stolen from me, to support my daughter like a “rock star”.

    Sadly it is not about being fair to you; it’s about transferring your wealth to her. It’s not about the kids, they are only the enablers of this wealth transfer. The entire system is rigged against you. If you “play with family court” you are just going to end up spending good money on a bad result.

    Other’s here may have different advice. Sincerely – all the very very best.

    Comment by Bruce S — Fri 1st July 2016 @ 6:32 pm

  9. Thanks Bruce for the encouragement 🙂 I’m sure you correct. I just thought I would represent myself and be a pain in their arses. I’m hoping like hell that Trump get into power and the SJWs start to get forced back

    Comment by Richie — Fri 1st July 2016 @ 8:16 pm

  10. Richie: If you can represent yourself then it can be worth taking it to the FC. You might have a lawyer friend who can give you some background advice, or you could buy an hour here and there of an experienced FC lawyer’s time in the background. That can limit your costs while your ex may be paying a lot for every letter her lawyer sends to you etc. FC judges do quite often make reasonable decisions even though they are unaccountable for the bad decisions.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Sat 2nd July 2016 @ 9:52 am

  11. In a Child Support case in the Family Court your ex is unlikely to even show Richie. IRD will do all the legal work themselves with their in-house team and they may engage a firm if it goes higher than Family Court.
    The Child Support Act goes back to 1991. There have not been a lot of cases bought to Court as it is just so expensive and the potential gains are minimal. The legislation is established, well bedded in, without a lot of holes and IRD’s in house legal team will seek to make you look like a dork in Court.
    They may also go for costs.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Sat 2nd July 2016 @ 3:01 pm

  12. #7 Richie. Here’s an Australian story back Allen.

    Comment by golfa — Sat 2nd July 2016 @ 3:26 pm

  13. #2 He is now in the safest Men’s Refuge. It is the only one that has sufficient funding.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sun 3rd July 2016 @ 8:50 am

  14. Hi Golfa,
    Amazing story from Aussie. I have on several occasions suggested to Peter Dunne when he was Minister of Revenue that parents should be incentivised for agreeing private arrangements and making them stick. At the moment Child Support serves to identify winners and losers and the taxpayer (you and me) meets all the costs of maintaining the system, enforcing it, and encouraging conflict between parents.
    I spoke to a chap last week whose youngest child is now 24 and he is paying $250 a week to Child Support and will be for years. How does that support children, or grandchildren, or better relations between parents, their adult children, and support grandchildren. IRD have created a mountain of debt (which will significantly disappear if he sticks to the payment plan) to bludgeon him into compliance but for what purpose.
    I know of a case where IRD pay each month about $1,000 into the NZ bank account of a foreign national convicted of multiple frauds in this country. Her child lives in China with grandparents who see nothing of this “Child Support” and they are not seeking anything as they are wealthy retired Chinese people who support the father of their grandchild having contact with her. No-one knows where in the world mum is; she has no contact with her parents, her child, the father of her child and I suspect no contact with IRD in NZ either. After completing her prison term here she was deported back to China (presumably at our Nz taxpayer expense) but she didn’t touch base with her child (born here in NZ while she was serving her sentence).
    IRD will continue to collect Child Support until the child turns 18 in a typically bureaucratic manner and pay it into this bank account for mum and that is the application of our law. All mum needs to do is communicate with her bank and request transfer to wherever, whenever she wishes. We assume that mum is in contact with her bank as no “dead” money notification has been made by her bank to IRD and listed on their website.
    $1000 a month for 18 years is a passive income of $216,000. She even has a likely guarantee of that being inflation adjusted. Her other frauds earned her a custodial sentence and she is not allowed to return here. This Child Support fraud however could presumably be replicated in multiple other countries. She came here as an overseas student, dropped out of her course, had a short affair with a married man and he (and his NZ family) are paying significantly for his folly.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Mon 4th July 2016 @ 5:46 pm

  15. The man crushed and cut up in a cardboard recycling operation, Daniel Bindner, is now said by police to have died in a ‘tragic accident’. No mention is made of the reasons he was ‘homeless’, of the extent to which he was a victim of our femaleist era in which men are shown little compassion when they need a home. No mention is made of how emotionally devastating it is for men when they lose their family and meaningful or secure relationships with their children. No mention is made of the extent to which his poor self-care may have resulted from psychological and emotional abuse in his relationship, or simply the contempt with which men are now treated in our society. No mention is made of the lack of support services available to men.

    When women find themselves without accommodation the services will have compassion and jump to help them. Homeless women frequently go to Women’s Refuge whose frequently vaunted numbers are likely to include a lot of cases of homelessness. Women’s Refuge don’t keep, or at least don’t publish, figures showing this but only publish total numbers of women who stay with them, fraudulently implying that they all involve partner violence from men. We don’t know if WR even require any account or claim of domestic violence in order to accommodate, but WR almost certainly make no effort to ascertain whether there is any real evidence supporting such accounts.

    Every day now numerous men throughout the country are ordered out of their homes but no provision has been made by government to accommodate them. What an indictment on feminist law making.

    Comment by Man X Norton — Mon 4th July 2016 @ 9:43 pm

  16. Men simply don’t feel pain (if you don’t listen to them speaking of pain).

    It does seem to bring back the memory of the Ashburton WINZ shooting, where the man had been on the waiting list for over 12 months for a house and watched many other people jump past him on the waiting list. Sometimes change can only be driven when a citizen acts “outside of the law”.

    As Ranginui Walker said, “You took our land using YOUR laws”.

    The most non-listening people I have ever met, were familycaught$ judges. A mockery of a hearing was intended to be palliative treatment. You have had your hearing! I couldn’t see any connection to legislation or proper process. In the long run, their antics didn’t serve the children and didn’t even serve my ex-wife, for what she really wanted.

    Non-listening could be a synonym for ignorant, and/or for thief.

    Men are seen by ignorant people as non-vulnerable. But they can be as vulnerable to manipulative and dishonest practice of law, as anybody else.
    Let the shootings continue……

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 5th July 2016 @ 8:42 am

  17. I would prefer to see
    all citizens, regardless of mental heath, strength, gender, wealth have working human rights, and
    working accountability and complaints systems (for WINZ, CYFs and for all legal workers, up a bench and down a bench,

    than see stupid or protest murders.

    All of the professions have well working complaints and accountability systems.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Wed 6th July 2016 @ 8:44 pm

  18. Umm although very skeptical about complaints to the Law Society I totally agree Murray.

    Comment by Allan Harvey — Thu 7th July 2016 @ 9:34 am

  19. We are agreeing, “all of the professions” obviously doesn’t include legal workers………
    Part of the definition of a professional, is that they are accountable for the quality of their work. Legal workers have chosen illusions, not accountability. Thus they have chosen to put themselves outside of the professions.
    I don’t know why?

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 7th July 2016 @ 1:07 pm

  20. Most tragic indeed but to be expected when New Zealand’s constitution is based upon this ideology.

    Comment by Peadar — Mon 11th July 2016 @ 4:41 pm

  21. Aunty Germaine would be pleased.

    Comment by Peadar — Mon 11th July 2016 @ 4:43 pm

  22. The Guardian also had another article, written by a different estrogen based parasite:

    Double Agent
    That article seemed a bit more balanced. Maybe I am prejudiced?

    Germaine Greer isn’t maintaining her old level of creativity and freshness? With her record, that isn’t much of a criticism.

    Seems like she is just trying to make cheap points. Not sure if she believes them herself? I hope not, for her sake….

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 12th July 2016 @ 3:20 pm

  23. It’s a very sad thing to happen. Just awful.


    Is there a list of places for men to go, on menz? If so, is it up to date? If not, now’s a perfect time to create one, imo.

    I am always willing to assist with things like this and can do an area or two or three. Also willing to pass it on to police and community groups where men may turn up asking for assistance.

    Comment by Julie — Fri 15th July 2016 @ 8:42 am

  24. Is there a list of places for men to go, on menz?


    Any updates appreciated.

    Comment by JohnPotter — Fri 15th July 2016 @ 1:20 pm

  25. It’s “The kiwi way.”

    Comment by Peadar — Sun 17th July 2016 @ 11:08 pm

  26. When I was having a hard time dealing with a domestic violence incident a couple of years ago I went to Canterbury Mens Centre and got good advice.
    They also arranged a life coach and helped me get a plan with some perspective etc. It was a really hard time for me. I had been attacked and assaulted by a female and was facing a potential two years in prison as a result of her version of events.
    In the days following – telling it to the cell wall or the cell toilet was all I could do with my version.

    I expect theyre Mens Centre would be willing to help NZ men in Canterbury or elsewhere.
    I was getting to be more frustrated by the day. Having to pay thousands to a barrister after being told it was pointless trying to represent myself.
    Nine months of waiting for a court date hoping to find a judge somewhat less one eyed than the police.

    Advice here from men online was helpful too.
    And from Julie too.
    Keep it up.!

    Oh btw Julie-
    On the other page you said “I’ve been in her situation – when I was wearing a top only at the railway station..

    Were you off to a festival?

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Sun 17th July 2016 @ 11:14 pm

  27. #blackwidowstate.

    Comment by Peadar — Mon 18th July 2016 @ 9:02 am

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