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Broken Families, Fatherlessness, Poor Discipline coming home to roost

Filed under: General — Ministry of Men's Affairs @ 2:00 pm Thu 17th August 2017

National promises boot camps for children who have become serious offenders with long criminal records, and to fine and criminalize parents whose children under 14 years are on the street after midnight. Yeah, creative stuff. So previous governments financially incentivized family demolition and sole parenthood (meaning mainly sole motherhood), then reduced parental authority and options for enforcing discipline, handing over the right to use force in discipline exclusively to agents of the state. Now government aims to punish parents for the predictable child behavioural results of those foolish policies largely of feminist creation.

Meanwhile, schools are becoming more and more dangerous places with attacks by children against teachers occurring from primary school onwards.

Nobody seems to want to mention the elephants in the room. The elephants as predicted will grow bigger and soon will be squeezing us all against the wall. At that point the system will either collapse or policy makers will face up to the importance of families, fathers and male wisdom in raising children.


  1. So how are they going to fine parents who are divorced, don’t live in the same house and don’t have “custody” that weekend ? Seriously, politicians are dumber than a bag of hammers.

    Comment by golfa — Thu 17th August 2017 @ 3:28 pm

  2. The large number of females employed in social work and psychology are riding a gravy train they don’t want to stop. While research on the results of fatherless children are so damming that it’s obviously the majority cause of the issue of dysfunctional children but you will rarely hear the correlation. You will hear bottom of the cliff cliams from social workers spouting their programmes are proven to work while claiming things like the boot camps don’t. More support for people on the benifit, plunket, midwives, early childhood care, maternity leave wrap around services etc is claimed while family court reform to protect the father child relationship is ignored. Clearly they are all female, taxpayer funded things.
    They want to prosecute parents for children being out late?
    What about prosecuting mothers for not naming fathers, at all.
    What about prosecuting for ignoring access orders and false allegations etc etc.
    What about 50:50 shared care as the starting point in custody disputes.
    What about specific paternity care.

    I still think the government will rather sleepwalk into chaos rather than address the issue. After all the current politicians don’t have to deal with the mess in 9 years, or 18 years, or even underperforming babies in 67 years time when they retire penniless.
    In fact it may instead of directly addressing the issue of fatherless children, it could instead of taking on the feminist jugernought, wait for a big part of the solution. The male pill.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Thu 17th August 2017 @ 4:40 pm

  3. Feminist Jugernought

    Am I missing the joke there or did you mean Juggernaut?

    In which case I would agree that there are sacraficial alters in their religion.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 1:55 pm

  4. You didn’t miss a joke.
    I made a spelling mistake.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 2:41 pm

  5. Ben Easton represented himself in the Family Court which ended up with him and the judge in chambers.

    The discussion ended with the judge saying …

    “You would sacrifice your children on/at the alter of your principles?”

    But that would be about 20 years ago.

    When men go to war, you never know if, when, or how they might return.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 2:59 pm

  6. Obey me, or you shall walk the streets, with the ghosts of Fathers passed.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 3:08 pm

  7. Some of the statistics on fatherlessness in the US

    Some relevant points made.
    63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.

    85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)

    80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)

    85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

    Daughters of single parents without a Father involved are 53% more likely to marry as teenagers, 711% more likely to have children as teenagers, 164% more likely to have a pre-marital birth and 92% more likely to get divorced themselves.
    If you make money in law enforcement, law, prisons, social work, mental health, etc etc would you want the source of your income stopped?
    Little wonder whenever these social issues are publicly discussed there is always a blatant omission from the discussion. I wonder what it is?

    The government is doing little if not the opposite to lower fatherlessness rates and parties like the Greens want it to be a well funded career choice.

    The elephants not only in the room, it’s been trampling everything in its path for decades.
    I wonder what a Judge would say if he/she quoted ‘best interest of the child’ and the father being excommunicated from their child’s life handed them this?

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 5:54 pm

  8. A question Darren. How long ago did you become interested in men’s issues?

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 6:16 pm

  9. About 1993 were I began doing a lot of calls on the issue on talk back radio. Experienced some nightmares with access, child support, ingnored access orders etc. 2003 I had a denial of access order and protection order made agianst me that I self represented and fended off. 2009 I tried to get prosecuted for not filling in the Census due to the bigoted ‘how many children do you have’ question but the judge realised I was attacking the prosecution, and winning so banned me from coming to court agian. Don’t think that’s real but he said it anyway. I had a call on talkback with Tamahere and Jackson the day prior to their sacking for the rape culture debate. I made a counter argument that we do have one but it relates to females lying about being on the pill. They gave me lots of air time and I suspect people hated the fact they let me talk about it so long. It turns out the grounds for their sacking were wrong. I have also protested outside of parliament, on my own. I began on Menz when the Owen Glenn report came out as I was hoping an independent body would tell the truth. Now we know the motives of the writer I can see why it’s man hating rubbish. Looking back I would have joined up with Union of Fathers but my illness has had a lot to do with being a functional person. It is a regret that I didn’t and have a lot of respect for those that did. So I have been around for awhile and I am dedicated to men’s issues. Murray Bacon asked me once in a phone call how long I intended to stick around. My reply was too the day I die. Nothing’s changed.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 7:06 pm

  10. That explains something. I saw a hear we go again moment, but your entry to the Menz site at a later date would explain that.

    Yes, it’s a shame you didn’t get involved with UOF.

    A few more troops like you would have made a big difference.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 19th August 2017 @ 7:50 pm

  11. DJ, thanks for your post at #7, excellent info and all referenced, it will be useful.

    Comment by voices back from the bush — Sun 20th August 2017 @ 1:07 pm

  12. #11 my point is, this is old stuff.

    We were quoting this back in 1997, along with extracts from Warren Farrell.

    So, you didn’t know it?

    I’m not being rude, but good that you’ve found this out.

    BUT you’re expecting it to make a difference now when it hasn’t for the past 20 years.

    When I think about it was probably around before me, that’s just when it came to my attention.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 20th August 2017 @ 1:17 pm

  13. Mr Me, to the secretary of the Social Services Select Committe;

    “I haven’t received any notification that you have received my submission.”

    Secretary of the Social Services Select Committe to, Mr Me.”

    [In a genuine voice] “I’m sorry Mr Me, all I can say to you, is, that, I, have been instructed not to talk to you.”

    Are you getting the size of the chasm you have to leap?

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 20th August 2017 @ 1:28 pm

  14. So, recently, I wrote a little story of embarrassment for a Family Court judge.

    Once we got over that, we got down to the real business, then he has a big penny moment.

    Judge: “Mr Me, this is not something I can decide for you, but this is something the Social Services Select Committee is currently dealing with. I will deliver my decision, which you can then take to parliament.”

    You see what they did?

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 20th August 2017 @ 1:42 pm

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