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The Gods of Leisure and Consumption

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 10:45 am Tue 15th August 2017

Oops, look out, he mentioned the G Word again.

But really, com’on, did anyone panic too much when Neil Gaiman, put American Gods on the market? Perhaps that was only because it was seen as a lucrative exercise, rather than a contemporary exercising of the mind.

If you were to read that book from an historically naive point of view, you might struggle for enthusiasm when it comes to following the story; yet anyone with a glimmer of our ancient Sunday Schools could pose a question that might remain an eternal mystery to the same reader.

He is one man, who I would suggest didn’t see a hole in the market, but rather that he saw signs of one of the reoccurring intersections in the sophistication of society.

He probably panicked at the realization and shouted, “We’re going backwards” rather than “Eurēka”.

I noticed something similar in one of the recent comments on MENZ when an economic discussion suggested that our remaining option was to retreat in the direction of Pennsylvania. That, I would suggest was a similar discovery, wrapped in golden silence.

I am not sure how many of our readers would be thinking along the same lines as I am obviously suggesting here, but this is the other side of the same coin.

You might ask, who would benefit most from the denial of that proposition?

The would-be Gods of Leisure and Consumption hoping to be born in our own house. Not imaginery gods, religious gods, or gods of literature, but earthly creatures hoping to obtain that status and recognition that historically has granted them eternity in the mythology of any culture.

Does this not concern men?

Should I not be writing this on Menz?

Or, should we all be getting on the same page in the same book?

I look forward to your thoughts.


  1. We’re seeing it all now.

    Wonder Woman and the Royal Political Child.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 21st January 2018 @ 11:16 am

  2. Vestal Virgin might have been too much at the time but you can see it coming.

    Comment by Downunder — Tue 6th February 2018 @ 8:02 am

  3. The idea of having a common assessment of the problem runs deep …

    In the meantime, I think it’s being called virtue signaling by some observers.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 21st September 2018 @ 7:48 am

  4. #3, and in the mean time the swarm gather under the wing of these High Priestess, they will take any and everyone under their wings and speak for them…God was a Man, I wonder where he is now?

    Comment by mama — Fri 21st September 2018 @ 11:05 am

  5. Hello Downunder. I’m very pleased to meet you. You are clearly a very intelligent, well-read and erudite person. Regrettably I am none of the above. I would very much like to understand your posting on the Gods of Leisure and Consumption but your literary references go right over my head.

    I haven’t read Neil Gaiman’s American Gods. I never attended Sunday School and can only suppose what posed questions might remain an eternal mystery. I have no idea what the reoccurring intersections in the sophistication of society are. I don’t know what a retreat in the direction of Pennsylvania is, nor what is the similar discovery wrapped in golden silence. I don’t have the foggiest clue what the proposition is let alone who would benefit by the denial of the same. It seems you have some beef with Jacinda and Neve but I have no idea what that is about or how any of the above relates to some common assessment of some problem, or virtue signalling.

    I appreciate that you are looking forward to our thoughts on your post, so I’m wracking my brain to try not to be obtuse, but no matter how hard I try, I just don’t get it.

    Could I prevail upon you to put the proposition in simple language that a simple man like me can understand?

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Fri 21st September 2018 @ 5:42 pm

  6. The post was written in August 2017 so how you connect that to Jacinda and Neve is not my beef.

    You could try reading American Gods.

    Comment by Downunder — Fri 21st September 2018 @ 5:58 pm

  7. On the 21 January 2018, 2 days after Jacinda announced her pregnancy, you commented on your own earlier posting saying, “We’re seeing it all now. Wonder Woman and the Royal Political Child”

    I don’t have time to read random books just at the moment. I’m spending all my disposable time engaged in practical actions fighting the horrific excesses of feminism that are killing men (and some women) in New Zealand right now.

    Do you want to help with this struggle? Or do you content yourself with making unhelpful and misleading comments to a genuine men’s rights activist who cannot make sense of your impenetrable writing style. I was in truth hoping to learn something from you, but if the best you can muster is curt defensive comments then you will be of no use me or any unified movement that hopes to bring about real change.

    If we are to prevail in this struggle we need to unite and to do so we need to put our individual egos on the back burner. (And when I say “our egos” you can take that to mean “your ego” Mr Downunder!)

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Fri 21st September 2018 @ 7:05 pm

  8. ….did your audi just run out of hydrogen or was it just on board management problems.

    Comment by mama — Sat 22nd September 2018 @ 7:18 am

  9. Nice one Mama. Comedy is important and it’s especially important to maintain an ability to laugh at yourself. I must admit that I’ve given the keyboard a bit of a hammering. Now’s the time for me to shut up and listen.

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Sat 22nd September 2018 @ 9:58 am

  10. It’s that time of the month and he needs a hug …

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sat 22nd September 2018 @ 11:19 am

  11. Humour is essential to stay alive.
    But it shouldn’t take time away from “Thank the lord and pass the ammunition”.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 22nd September 2018 @ 12:04 pm

  12. Evan you need to look up the meaning of ad hominem. I’m talking about issues and the best you can do is to try to mount a somewhat pathetic attack on me as a person. This is important and you need to get it or the death of the next Sid Hanzlik will be partly your fault. Yes your fault! Some feminists are waging a war against men and some of those men are dying as a direct result of that war. We need to fight against that to save those men’s lives. If you fight with ad hominem ammunition that’s about as useful as using a wet bus ticket. We need to fight back with ammunition that works and the ammunition that will work is reasoned argument backed with empirical evidence and delivered with absolute respect to the enemy. Attacking them is failing. Attacking their ideas will work.

    Comment by Audi Alteram Partem — Sat 22nd September 2018 @ 12:09 pm

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