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Family Court Reforms – Australia

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 2:39 pm Sat 29th June 2019

Personally I’m looking back at a 25 year history of incompetence, corruption and the ensuing consequences that flow from this environment, and the arogant shit heads that infest it, and the good money bled by taxpayers for no good outcome, but that’s just New Zealand.

I’m no longer a direct participant but if you are, you have my heartfelt sympathy, if you’ve been blindsided by the unbelievable.

Recently we have seen the release of a report from an inquiry into the New Zealand Family Court and I see that there is a corresponding inquiry that has now been reported on in Australia.

While the two countries have been down slightly different paths there has been discontent on both sides of the Tasman and father’s organisations battling respective systems. We have in the past had close ties but I suspect not so much now … and reading between the lines we seem to be at the same explosive point.

The common point of view appears to be something along the lines of; we’ve had enough of the bullshit, we can see the loaded panels about to manipulate these inquiries and we really can’t be bothered putting the effort into fruitless submissions.

I haven’t sat down and compared the two inquiries and I don’t know if these panels have been in contact themselves. But with our two governments being ideological somewhat apart at this time I doubt there will be a common result from which will flow a common outcome for our respective countries.

Hard to speculate but we should at least be aware that each other’s position exists.

But anyway I found This Australian Site humorous and informative.

The humorous part is donate and rebuild trust in experts – you’ve got to be fucken joking.

After years of uncertainty about the future of the family law system, the next government (Australia) now has a clear roadmap for how to amend the law, and improve the system of justice, for all those unfortunate enough to go through a relationship breakdown.


  1. If you are a New Zealand group looking to connect with Australia try this link.

    If you are a New Zealand group with a website or Facebook page put a link in the comments for Australians to contact you.

    The MENZ site will have a better Web exposure than you.

    There are currently no Australian contacts listed on the contacts page

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 29th June 2019 @ 3:24 pm

  2. Link to the NZ report page and pdf report

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 29th June 2019 @ 3:34 pm

  3. The injustice served out by this court holds little difference to that dished out by the Soviet Union courts as illustrated in Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s book, The Gulag Archipelago. we have had (have)Judges driven by interests contrary to the interests of children and with a firm belief in ideology of feminism. Unfortunately males are brought up to endure pain and suffering without complaining which restricts the chances of appeals going forward thereby creating case law to put a stop to the madness. Shared care as default is good for all concerned.

    Comment by triassic — Sat 29th June 2019 @ 6:13 pm

  4. “Unfortunately males are brought up to endure pain and suffering without complaining which restricts the chances of appeals going forward thereby creating case law to put a stop to the madness.”

    #3 There are two separate issues in the above quote.

    Unfortunately males are brought up to endure pain and suffering without complaining.

    Are they?

    which restricts the chances of appeals going forward thereby creating case law to put a stop to the madness.

    That’s a separate debate.

    Put together it’s an apology for the system. It’s not working because of the way males are bought up. How did you arive at that conclusion?

    This is the way criminal law works and civil law should work the same way. The blinkers go up because that’s the system you’ve been bought up with.

    The civil situation (with the protection order for example) puts you in the worst possible situation to fight back from but other claims use the same process.

    The ongoing court case involves many circular events, additional events, or in layman’s terms, moving the goal posts. The secrecy and publication doesn’t support the case law process because it is not intended to. The appeals are generally to the same court.

    This bears no relationship to the occasional cases that make it to High Court or the recent Supreme Court case on divorce settlements because it doesn’t operate in the same manner as the appellant system you are talking about.

    That high and mighty attitude is what comes out of two things …

    – I can look after myself, why can’t you?

    – Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups … That’s how I think it should work but I haven’t actually gone and had a look to see what’s going on.

    … to put a stop to this madness.

    Not going to happen if that’s the prevailing level of ignorance in society. Doesn’t help any individual who has been blindsided by the process work out what’s happened with that explanation.

    Comment by Downunder — Sun 30th June 2019 @ 9:50 am

  5. My premise is that legislation is not perfect in itself and is subject to interpretation and debate. Case law is the end product but in order to obtain it someone must fund the journey. Not many blokes can obtain legal aid but the ladies are begged to take it. Most guys I have observed just buckle in and take the hiding.

    Comment by triassic — Sun 30th June 2019 @ 4:37 pm

  6. Regardless of some opinions you don’t end up in a criminal court without doing something wrong.

    And there’s an adequate if less than perfect defense systems for the accused.

    You don’t have to do anything wrong to end up in the Family Court. The circumstances are very different. Even the a civilized separation facts a shadow of this court. Bite the bullet and take the deal. If we go to court it will cost you more.

    Comment by Boonie — Sun 30th June 2019 @ 5:21 pm

  7. Damn autocorrect … faces a shadow

    Comment by Boonie — Sun 30th June 2019 @ 5:23 pm

  8. #6~”Regardless of some opinions you don’t end up in a criminal court without doing something wrong. ”
    That would be idealistic and not just utopian

    Comment by JustCurious — Sun 30th June 2019 @ 6:26 pm

  9. #8,,, yes Judge, how curious it is to find one self on the other side of the law kind of symptom..

    Comment by mama — Sun 30th June 2019 @ 9:41 pm

  10. Different sectors of the population have different views.

    Some have a blanket view. If you have to go to court you have done something wrong.

    Criminal courts are generally visible but even that is increasingly underr threat.

    Women have prior expectations of the an outcome, promises from lawyers, we’ll get that sorted for you. Men have prior misconceptions on the basis of how a court works.

    Then it doesn’t work. And so we have the Family Court feeding people into the Criminal Courts and the Children’s Court.

    It’s a bottom up process of failure that’s driven by the appalling irresponsibility of the incompetent idiots that infest these places and the public don’t get to see that, they only get to see a report on how it might get fixed.

    Comment by Downunder — Mon 1st July 2019 @ 7:26 am

  11. Reading through all of the above all I can see is the lack of care for Men in the courts, it is not there to help them over the hurdle that is trying to separate with the common sense required to move on well in any direction…these Men who are caught up in the courts after a break up be it criminal or family are generally not the recidivous re offenders that are nowadays ‘getting a helping hand’, these Men of ours are ordinary guys, who indeed may have been happy to soldier on in a less than satisfactory relationship, but who find themselves on the other end of the system, further dragged around by legal BS, dragged down by financial strain. loss of job and not to mention the personal stress, loss of friends, loss of children, the mountain he is left to climb is diabolical!!!! DIABOLICAL.
    These Alienated Men need to get seen,,, the people that know these Men exist, where is the voice.

    Comment by mama — Tue 16th July 2019 @ 6:11 pm

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