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Erin believes males are dying from being hated and being discriminated against. She says it is a form of genocide and it is being funded by the Government.
Says the Government plays the paper trail and does not actively take any action against male suicide.
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Thank you Lukenz,,, Thank you Erin.
Comment by mama — Sat 30th November 2019 @ 11:39 am
We are in a new age.
We have seen disporia previously but not by gender.
Christianity has been the most productive religion so far but now we are seeing a rebellion against it.
The Feminist rebellion goes further back than what Erin suggests and that is well documented. The effects have never been so dramatic as they are now.
What I cannot fathom is why we refuse to accept what’s happening.
Its absolutely contrary to civilized development.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sat 30th November 2019 @ 8:34 pm
Thank you for suggesting the video link. What an amazing woman, she is so inspirational. Over the last few years we(our family) have been working through Family Court. And yes, especially the appointed Lawyer for Child certainly displays extreme feminist traits described by Erin in the video. E.g. at the first initial meeting my 25yr old son, father of the child, was asked by LFC when discussing the unplanned pregnancy…” you had never thought of having a vasectomy “ . My son calmly responded to LFC, “ I was too young, they would not agree to one”. At that point LFC did a small giggle and flippantly mentioned she was only joking. Our first meeting she showed her true colours….Yes we certainly need more Erin’s, we all need to start pushing back. Our men and boys deserve so much more.
Comment by Paula — Sun 1st December 2019 @ 9:58 am
…we do need to start to push back,, there is some traction out there but coming together as one voice is difficult when Men are being portrayed constantly as the bad guys, media has a lot to answer for in this current era,,,,
http://www.nzlii.org/nz/other/nzlc/report/R82/R82-17_.html
Comment by mama — Sun 1st December 2019 @ 1:06 pm
This is from the above link,,,
‘Efforts should be made to encourage equal numbers of qualified men and women among those employed in, or contracted to, the Family Court.’
Where is this encouragement for Men going to come from, a government agency??.. I wanna hear it.
Comment by mama — Sun 1st December 2019 @ 1:11 pm
#2 > We have seen diaspora previously but not by gender.
…
>What I cannot fathom is why we refuse to accept what’s happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdpiV6hBiDs
Dr. Paul Callister laid out the men’s diaspora quite clearly, in 2005. Even though I had been fairly close to where these issues were taking place, I hadn’t realised that the impacts were large enough to be clearly visible in national statistics. That was quite an eye opener to me.
But the vast majority of the population remain blissfully unaware of how large the impact is on our society, even today, 14 years later (one generation?).
But large gendered impacts may not be well known in the wider public sphere, but they have occurred on many previous occasions.
Two examples come to mind:
The tsunami in South East Asia resulted in more deaths of women than men.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2005/mar/26/internationalaidanddevelopment.indianoceantsunamidecember2004
In NZ a hundred years ago, suicide was more prevalent among women than men.
China – single child per family policy
It just happens that the three events with the largest gendered impact that I know about were of higher women’s deaths.
So gendered impacts of social forces is not a new phenomenon, it is more that we now have the tools to be more aware of it.
The challenge now is to do something constructive about these social forces, without creating new harms.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 7th December 2019 @ 1:49 pm
War has surely taken more men in the largest numbers than any other phenomenon, this HIS burden as Man…
Comment by mama — Sat 7th December 2019 @ 7:20 pm
@6 you misquoted me.
The symptom of disporia is recorded in other cultures – essentially meaning to disperse the unwanted.
As often happens words are brought into English tending to relate specifically to the Jewish people with the variant diaspora, much like holocaust as a specific genocide.
Perhaps my point wasn’t clear, that the group of suicides are not in isolation but part of a larger group dispersed into No-mans land.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Mon 9th December 2019 @ 1:00 pm
#8 Thank you Bevan.
As you state, both forces have somewhat similar effects and both need to be taken seriously.
It horrifies me that these quite large social impacts are so poorly understood by most members of our society. The effects are not just loss of life, but impacts onto our culture, how we bring up children and on many people’s well-being.
Erin Pizzey’s words are just as true today, as when she said them.
Social science academics have been quite slow to develop tools for analysing these complex situations competently.
Until those tools become usable, it remains let the buyer beware. But these situations have teeth, so it is necessary to look a long way ahead, to actually be able to protect yourself from these hazards….
Comment by MurrayBacon — Thu 12th December 2019 @ 1:06 pm
Thank you all for your responses.
I just wanted to point out that very little has been done to stem the huge male suicide not only in NZ but around the world.
There is talk of funding to solve the problem. I’m not sure how much funding and what the money will be spent on to halt this incredible waste of life. Will the funding be spent on research? Maybe they could employee more doctors or other specialists. I suppose they would need to have cars to drive around in, nice offices, desks, smart phones, computers, holiday pay, training (now called CPD), have to go to seminars oversea. There would need to be accountants, managers, HR people. Need to be coffee breaks, lunch times. What are they going to do?
If you want to know the reasons why men commit suicide you need to look no further than here
http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZCorC/
Its the Coroners Court. Click on a few links and you will come across a lot of men and boys who found themselves in awful or unfair positions that current legislation and practices that are designed to put them in or put them at a disadvantage.
Money to set up some whip-de-do bunch of academics is not required. What is required is understanding that men simply can’t be done over in matrimonial disputes, be force to give away assets to a woman who he has been in a relationship for 3 years and nor should he face the media (including social media) for just being accused of a sex crime. Only if he is guilty should that happen. Boys need their dads and dads need their families.
How could the Government be so obtuse to the obvious? Will it change? Nope. Why not? There is simply no will or concern for the outcome of mens well-being when legislation is written and how it is brutally carried out.
Ide like to ask others here to think and write down just how legislation and or procedure could change to make things fairer for men. A list would be a start. I am quite certain when bad or unfair things stop happening to men and boys they will stop ending their lives by there own hand.
Comment by Lukenz — Fri 13th December 2019 @ 10:55 pm
Dear LukeNZ,,,there is no doubt that in the Family Court susstem more respect should be afforded Men, especially Fathers, Boys needing their Fathers and of course Girls needing their Dads.
There is sooo muccchhh research already done that proves time and rime again that these kids need the influence of both Parents.
I have felt, seen and had to stand by and experience my own Son rail roaded out of the Fatherhood of his daughter, it was done by his ex with her every word swallowed by every professional until it was too late, after Oranga Tamariki got involved, even though cracks of light were showing through it was too late for their relationship,,but from the initial stages of this horrific experience it was apparent that no due respect was awarded him as a Father for all of the time he had as her Loving doting Dad,the first whole five years of her life. Factors like the Mother asking of him to look after her for extra time when it suited, how he was always willing to have her at anytime, never feeling used or abused , just happy to have more time with his girl, having her every second weekend to all of a sudden not to see her at all until supervised meetings of one hour were set up, totally unnacceptable, then the length of court time dramatised and the woman growing into her victimhood all the while.
Like is said here many time Woman = Victim
Man = Perp… Until separation is met with complete open minds with lawyers only involved if absolutely necessary we are destined to hear more atrocious stories for our Men.
Comment by mama — Sat 14th December 2019 @ 5:00 pm
Dear LukeNZ,,,there is no doubt that in the Family Court susstem more respect should be afforded Men, especially Fathers, Boys needing their Fathers and of course Girls needing their Dads.
There is sooo muccchhh research already done that proves time and rime again that these kids need the influence of both Parents.
I have felt, seen and had to stand by and experience my own Son rail roaded out of the Fatherhood of his daughter, it was done by his ex with her every word swallowed by every professional until it was too late, after Oranga Tamariki got involved, even though cracks of light were showing through it was too late for their relationship,,but from the initial stages of this horrific experience it was apparent that no due respect was awarded him as a Father for all of the time he had as her Loving doting Dad,the first whole five years of her life. Factors like the Mother asking of him to look after her for extra time when it suited, how he was always willing to have her at anytime, never feeling used or abused , just happy to have more time with his girl, having her every second weekend to all of a sudden not to see her at all until supervised meetings of one hour were set up, totally unnacceptable, then the length of court time dramatised and the woman growing into her victimhood all the while.
Like is said here many time Woman = Victim
Man = Perp… Until separation is met with complete open minds with lawyers only involved if absolutely necessary we are destined to hear more atrocious stories for our Men.
In fact putting Childrens’ interest first, as the court proposes to do, shows that research is indeed ignored as we all know that continuity of relationships is key.
Comment by mama — Sat 14th December 2019 @ 5:07 pm
@9 You can be an insufferable wanker at times but your heart is in the right place.
What we’re talking about is unfathomable to the general population.
You can hide behind your intellectual complexity.
I prefer to see it as it is.
A tolerance for insanity, stupidity, and lazyness as normal.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sat 14th December 2019 @ 9:32 pm
@6 Murray…
“It just happens that the three events with the largest gendered impact that I know about were of higher women’s deaths.”
Male suffering is always hidden behind euphemism if it’s made visible at all. This applies at all levels from global agencies down.
http://adamjones.freeservers.com/effacing.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20191121165712/gendercide.org/
The Gendercide site is unavailable for some reason. The archive image is up to date however.
Comment by Greg Allan — Sat 21st December 2019 @ 5:18 pm
#14 Thanks Greg, for these references. They are very uncomfortable to read.
>>It just happens that the three events with the largest gendered impact that I know
I was admitting that the 3 that I mentioned were not a random samples in the statistical sense. They were just the ones that I happened to know about.
#13 Thanks Bevan. >What we’re talking about is unfathomable to the general population.
I agree. So the solution must lie in educating the general population to understand these issues?
Comment by MurrayBacon — Tue 24th December 2019 @ 8:13 am
15 Murray. “They were just the ones that I happened to know about.”
You and most others. It’s consistent with the pattern being described by Jones.
Comment by Greg Allan — Wed 25th December 2019 @ 1:49 am
Murray @ 6 wrote ‘It just happens that the three events with the largest gendered impact that I know about were of higher women’s deaths’ – have you heard of WW1 and WW2, the REAL, holocaust? Before WW1, Europeans were 30% of the world population and are now 5% (8% if you count non-Europeans who identify as European) and in 2 generations time will be under 1% of the world popn
Comment by Frank — Tue 31st December 2019 @ 2:43 pm
#17 Frank, you make powerful points. I was being careful to state that I was quoting 3 examples that I had to hand, I wasn’t saying that they were the largest or most important examples.
I strongly believe in treating both genders, as far as possible and practicable, by the same standard.
Comment by MurrayBacon — Sun 5th January 2020 @ 7:49 pm
Good on you, Murray.
You keep believing in it and I’ll keep telling the bitches to get fucked.
Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 6th January 2020 @ 1:21 am
IS (*add your flavour ) SUICIDE GENOCIDE?
Let me be pedantic a bit? are the examples given even relevant?
Is suicide genocide? )possibly if driven to despair and as way to make a last stand, albeit fraudulent(
Is war suicide? (Possibly if driven by a desire to exchange one’s life and happiness for the service of others – otherwise, it is a thrill seek until death shows its true face or it is simply a misguided search for glory)
Is dying in a tsunami a form of suicide? (possibly if one loses his life saving others)
Was the Holocaust a form of suicide? (yes, jews had all the warning signs but the zionist jews made sure that it happened so they could land themselves a country.} a great book to read among many others is “America and the founding of Israel”
Why is suicide so prevalent among men?
Is it only the judicio-political climate?
Or is it a moral, religious, ethical and societal systematic dissfiguration and dismantlement of society where men face overwhelming adversity from all state authorities without community or religious emotional and/ or psychological support??
Comment by JustCurious — Mon 6th January 2020 @ 4:39 am
##all, Hi all and Happy New Year,,, I think categorically men have lost real focus,,,or at least none has been left to them, the gaping hole left from last generation to this is a void unfilled, worse than this they are left to flounder as women have trounced on what used to be male domain… we , society, have taken away all that man stood for, the big ones are massive, FATHERHOOD being surely the biggest, but to stomach fatherhoodlessness along with loss of esteem driven by a system hell bent on seeing only innocence and victimhood in women combined with income that get eaten into at will, facing a judicial system that is supposedly there for the FAMILY,,, yeah bloody right.
…but we all know these things,,, and all we can do is continuosly spit sharper and sharper tacks until the tacks get blunt and we wear ourselves thin.
Comment by mama — Mon 6th January 2020 @ 4:41 pm
Suicide is taking one’s own life so it isn’t genocide which is an attempt to eliminate a creed of people including women and children. Suicide affects people of all ages, genders and races. Depression, isolation and mental illness are massive risk factors for suicide so these are the things which need to be addressed. A feeling of being trapped and seeing no way out of a situation and not being able to see things ever improving seems to be the mind set that develops before a suicide attempt, often these feelings have been in place for quite sometime.
From that place of isolation it is incredibly difficult to reach out for help which is why it’s so good to know others have been through this. We have to support each other in these times and be there for each other.
Comment by Chris — Sat 29th February 2020 @ 10:33 am
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
A Killing members of the group;
B Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
C Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
D Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
E Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted – not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example). This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, and not its members as individuals. Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”
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Males and females are genetically different.
Men are identifiably different from women in the Human Race.
So if you do something to men and not women you have legal problems.
How many laws have been made to protect women but punish men.
No laws are written to protect men, and only punish women.
Why can women stab men in there sleep etc and not get punished.
But men get imprisonment for the smallest acts of violence.
How is White Ribbon a just thing.
If PSOs virtually only get issued to men.
Female wrongs are ignored, while males face punishment even if the victim.
I can give you A,B,C,D,E with the acts of government.
You can read them.
I have been hiding them in plain site.
I have all the letters.
I am making my sentences with them, so I can destroy.
The cup is being filled with them.
Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 11th December 2020 @ 5:52 pm