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Need a Good Lawyer in Palmie

Filed under: General — palmie @ 11:00 am Fri 26th April 2019

Hi All
I would like recommendations for a good cost effective lawyer for Family Court in Palmerston North as current lawyer not delivering except to keep charging large bills Thx


  1. Be surprised if you got a recommendation for a piece of state shit, sorry lawyer.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if there were comments about who is representing themselves these days.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Fri 26th April 2019 @ 6:29 pm

  2. According to the lawyres and con-veyancers act…
    lawayers, barristers, sollicitors and even attorneys are employees and officers of the courts.

    They are all cons…

    Their first duty is to pretend to be you and submit to the jurisdiction of the courts (they do not tell you this.)

    Their second duty is to the preservation and appearance of Justice….

    It means they do0 not promise justice …
    but they do guarantee its appearance to be like that of justice and
    the preservation of that appearance of Justice over true justice is their only promise.

    Their third duty is to their client…

    half of them do not know the law
    the other half dos not know any of the procedures
    and a few among them know more than the other lawyers and use the law to their advantage.

    Sadly none of them do legal aid and those whom do still are too broken hearted to defend a fly.
    They take the money and blame the system for their Drunkenness.

    There may be a handful among all of them that are not perfectly corrupted
    and still fight for their client using all the above
    but to get them on legal aid is nearly impossible
    and they charge like a wounded bull.

    The system being fucked being the perfect excuse…
    They can get away with it all day.
    No accountability whatsoever.
    Their promises may appear as a warm blanket but he who relies on it will freeze to death even under a harsh sun.

    you need someone to talk to that will take you through the whole process and each possible avenue with a realistic outlook on time, energy, resources, costs and outcomes.

    You need to know this before you engage…

    Most lawyers will not only lead you astray but send you to someone else whom they know is worse so they can come to your rescue… and then they label you difficult when they recommend you to someone else.

    When they label your case “complex”is when it is time to get out.
    It means they will do less and charge more. and no sensible outcome will come out of it.

    Often 6 weeks can turn into 6 months within the blink of an eye
    and 6 months will turn into 6 years once a lawyer gets a hold of you and the courts get a hold of, your kids…

    I speak from very very very far away… hope it makes sense.

    Comment by jusrtcurious — Wed 1st May 2019 @ 4:52 pm

  3. I could not recommend any lawyers anywhere – But I am in Palmy – and I could help some way perhaps if you need help of some kind. Murray Bacon might act as a link if we ask him nicely.

    Comment by Kiwi Keith — Thu 2nd May 2019 @ 2:34 pm

  4. Hi Palmie, I realised that it might be impossible to link with me here. So I attempted to post a link for you on MENZ. That comment was rejected as SPAM, so it seems that we cannot get together in order for Dads to practically help Dads using this site. I imagined that although I was unable to recommend any lawyer, you might have occasions when a support person / witness and more might be handy. Really I was only ever here in hope to be of real practical help to Dads and other families in trouble – this site evidently is not suited to that purpose.

    Comment by Kiwi Keith — Fri 3rd May 2019 @ 9:02 pm


    Some interesting reading about the British Family Court system.

    In particular that because of legal aid cuts it had become a lawyer free zone.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Thu 16th May 2019 @ 1:19 pm

  6. Waste of money and energy using Lawyers they defend fellow lawyers will not stand up to Judges disregard laws being broken by opposing lawyers and child lawyers. Been in the family court process for two years cost over 200,000, x admitted lies told to tick all boxes by her lawyer to obtain illegal without notice protection order granted by Judge Black without proof! previous associate of her lawyer! Court cases a joke many times told it was a final hearing only to have decisions overturned by the next Judge, 5 Judges so far, minutes altered after hearings transcripts altered recordings of cases denied by Judges Lawyers lying in court proven and deliberately ignored, Child Lawyer Greg Webster used personal examples of being drunk at events to prevent my daughter being in my care around those times I never go to those events! Judges are the criminals of the family court in my case they and the lawyers will be held to account I no longer abide by the laws they follow though will defend my own human rights by declaring war on those that have destroyed my life!

    Comment by sean neal — Fri 7th June 2019 @ 11:00 pm

  7. 200K – that’s a lot of money. The worst case I’ve heard was half a million and that was last century and didn’t even complete the access hearings.

    If you want to be an enemy of the state I don’t suggest you do this alone;

    You need to have enough financial security to withstand the attack.
    You will also need enough legal and commercial nouse to keep your head above water.
    If you frighten easily you want last long.

    Your communications will be subject to investigation without your knowledge.
    A lawyer’s office will be tasked with the investigation of your personal circumstances and finding a doorway to dismantle your financial integrity.

    If they can’t do that legally since they are defending the crown they will do it illegally, by the easiest means.

    Regardless of how successful you are or how long you persist, it’s you against the consolidated fund, your taxes included are paying them for your war.

    This of course is in Contempt of the Crown, so there will be utu, which will continue even beyond your death.

    If you’re hoping for recognition, a century from now someone might pick up a dusty old file and find a story, but probably not. Most of the evidence never leaves a lawyer’s office.

    I hope this gives you some perspective around this and you find some like minded people in Palmy to raise awareness of the issues you describe.

    If it’s any consolidation when Labour came to power in 1999 it was the regions these issues were most prominent. It’s much harder to fight them in the big city.

    Comment by Downunder — Sat 8th June 2019 @ 7:52 am

  8. Downunder hits the nails on the head….
    ….If you’re hoping for recognition, a century from now someone might pick up a dusty old file and find a story, but probably not. Most of the evidence never leaves a lawyer’s office.
    Most victims don’t take good enough care of evidence. It needs to be cared for as if it was an ancient manuscript in a museum. Time and vandals are great enemies of evidence. Roofs leak. People get frustrated and throw it away in a moment of anger. Other people throw it away, not understanding its importance. Or other people throw it away, because they do understand its importance. The result is the same in either case…..
    Despite the challenges, Aim to succeed, get as much help as possible and go for it.
    Respect the people that you are up against.
    But for your own sake, do it for a good reason, not just revenge.

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 8th June 2019 @ 5:42 pm

  9. It would be amazing if all whom have been through the ringer, the pitfalls, the stress the pain, the preparation and the strain, made sure that another man should not go through the same.

    The word needs to spread that there are indeed relationship traps, these get updated and recently so for social media/text/images under the harassment act.
    The question is how to get the information out there.

    Comment by mama — Sat 8th June 2019 @ 6:30 pm

  10. Social media is something we’re coming to understand … slowly.

    Some people feel like they are in a room while others see it as a page they can take or leave.

    A blog is like a cup half full and a cup half empty.

    To some it’s a blank page to others a library.

    To some both.

    Comment by Boonie — Sat 8th June 2019 @ 6:50 pm

  11. 10,,,Boonie,,,however to the young it is a given…law awareness it not a given ,,unless of course you are a lawyer.

    Comment by mama — Sat 8th June 2019 @ 7:47 pm

  12. From Wikipedia,,,it’s a thing….
    Anoop Kumar, a researcher of Legal Literacy Mission, says in his study, “the legislature of the state and the parliament, while enacting the legislation, consider the objectives of it. Some laws lay down the substantive rights of the masses and some touch upon the procedural aspect of certain laws. But it is due to lack of awareness of beneficiaries that most of the legislations are ineffective at the stage of their execution.”[15][16]

    Legal awareness can empower people to demand justice, accountability and effective remedies at all levels.[12] Legal needs always stand to become crisis oriented because their ignorance prevents them from anticipating legal troubles and approaching a lawyer for consultation and advice in time. This magnifies the impact of their legal troubles and difficulties when they come.[17]

    Without (legal) literacy people can get intimidated and alienated from law. This may evolve into a situation which results in people coming into conflict with the law, or being unable to obtain help from it.[18] Courts have acknowledged the barrier raised by a lack of literacy to asserting guaranteed rights effectively.[19] Low literacy may block people’s access to justice.[20] At times, literacy requirements have been used to block access to rights and benefits[21][22]

    Comment by mama — Sat 8th June 2019 @ 7:58 pm

  13. Do schools even do Social Studies these days???

    Civics and socio-legal literacy
    Despite semantic proximity education of civics, civics literacy and legal literacy are not exactly the same. In the “legal literacy” semantic components are the dominant notion of the “right,” “law,” “responsibility to the law,” and “civic literacy” added to them the concept of “civil society”, “individual rights and freedoms” and “man’s responsibility to civil society”.[43] In the formal civic education system, human rights can be taken up as a part of civic education, values education and social studies, though they may have the limitation of presenting only certain aspects of human rights rather than their integrated whole, and duties of citizens may be overly emphasized to the detriment of certain rights and freedoms.[44]

    At the elementary school level, usually minimal level legal literacy introduction is taught through civics, but which is not necessarily adequate for the rest of life.[45] Applied legal education is imparted through business and commerce school and some other branches. News media also plays a part, but is unable to meet all socio-legal literacy needs.[46] NGOs and legal aid centres may provide for limited legal literacy related to specific thrust areas.[26]

    Comment by mama — Sat 8th June 2019 @ 8:13 pm

  14. @8

    It pays to photocopy family court documents.

    Like a mission impossible tape, they are inclined to self destruct.

    After 2 – 3 years in a folder the ink will have disintegrated and there is nought but a blank page.

    Comment by Boonie — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 7:30 am

  15. @11

    Participation is a given in both I would say but awareness and understanding in both varies according to the individual.

    Comment by Boonie — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 7:33 am

  16. #15,,, but Boonie, I do not believe young people are being made aware of the law, new or old, and boys are dangerously open to the law compared to women as they grow into society, so how do we mitigate the risk to them, they get to learn the law around getting a drivers license because it is in their field of interest, we as young people do not have a particular interest in the law, however it is for our own protection that we should be made aware, but especially for those who are exampled, even hung drawn and quartered if we are not.

    Hence this quote from above wiki run down

    Comment by mama — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 9:33 am

  17. I don’t believe there is an easy explanation to this.

    I see the quote you’ve found and I think it’s relevant to us in that;

    Our Bill of Rights Act exists but doesn’t bind the Crown to its intention. Those subject to the authority of the Executive have it as an avenue to defend themselves.

    I see assumption and misunderstanding based on our inclination to trust each other.

    Then you start looking at legal awareness?

    What ‘the actual’ as I hear children say these days, does that mean.

    We’ve lost our common sense, our common understanding, our common law.

    At the same time we’re seeing the political manipulation of the younger generation.

    I see this yesterday; the collective noun should be a SCROTTY for a group of arrogant entitled of white men.

    The level of hatred and bitterness that is being that is that can exist on social media in the absence of common understanding.

    Don’t ask me for an answer, though, I’m thinking.

    Comment by Boonie — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 10:00 am

  18. *being used and that can exist …

    Comment by Boonie — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 10:03 am

  19. SCROTTY,,, well well,,, the machine still live and well, dare not though speak against the other citizens in such a derogatory way,,, we are seeing a madness of sorts are we not, how can we be creating so many sick (head sick) people so quickly, what is to blame, this over turning of common sense thinking is driving our race down, the human race that is, and only some are victims, others are hero’s, matyr’s even, although matyr’s are not supposed to be standing on others to reach their heights.

    Comment by mama — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 10:54 am

  20. Driving our culture down hill?

    – feminism
    – constitution change
    – ideological difference

    Translates into

    – failures in education
    – commercialised tertiary education
    – political and legal corruption

    – social breakdown
    – confused obligations and participation
    – social leadership undermined

    Without being too pessimistic tell me what if anything is actually working well at the moment?

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 11:30 am

  21. Some Sunday blues,,well not technically ‘blues’, I don’t think so anyway,..”..and I remember sayin to my Boy.”,,,

    Comment by mama — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 11:45 am

  22. #20,,Evan..above,, nicely stated,, if you are asking me that question,, i’ll get back to you on that…

    Comment by mama — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 12:08 pm

  23. That aside. There does appear to be a problem in Palmy at the moment.

    But what is driving the discontent.

    One particular judge.
    Family Law Section experimenting.
    Support services talking up anti male rhetoric

    This is what, 8 months after a new principal judge appointment?

    Something is going on down there.

    Comment by Evan Myers — Sun 9th June 2019 @ 12:15 pm

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