- promoting a clearer understanding of men's experience -
We have talked about this, and we need to keep talking about it.
If a Ministry were to exist, what information could we supply this Ministry for our Men.
There has been some negativity for the idea,, but what would the positives actually be.
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What information could ‘we’ (not sure who that is) could supply.
Good question.
In the current constitutional construction I would expect a Minister to set out desired research and the agency to provide advice to the government. That would appear to be the general chain of events outside of biased agendas in the background.
There are questions then of
What information might be sought
Who might be expected to provide that
It doesn’t necessarily follow that a Ministry for men would automatically deal with the issues that are raised here.
Comment by Boonie — Sat 15th June 2019 @ 9:15 pm
On looking back through the numbers of posts on the above subject I see that there sure are many.
It has been discussed and it fantastic that MOMA has existed to stand up for Men through time. When I read the post whereby the Human rights mediated over the cancellation of the venue for the 2017 Mens Summit i was blown away, this could have hit the headlines, but it did not.
..but this is now and Men of NZ should be prepared for the possibility of a governmental Men’s Ministry, waiting for the day. I know it is not ideal that Men should be hanging out for a voice, but the clock has to be not turned back (never gunna happen in a hurry) but perhaps stopped to give people time to consider what has really been happening.
We (anybody and everybody who cares) need to educate those that may gain that voice, do not expect them to know , there is a wealth of knowledge and experience here and there and everywhere but that in itself is a problem, bringing it together, being cohesive, to a politician it is but one issue but perhaps one that is very much worth them standing for.
Comment by mama — Sun 16th June 2019 @ 8:28 am
@2 you know what is visible to you and what was shared by MoMA.
Previous to that toward the end of UOF Jim Bagnall and I cooperated in an offshoot called Project Reunion.
Radical Jim, of course had the same problem.
There were a number of conferences that were held at the Remuera Bowling Club.
I would go along and book the venue and pay up front in my name. The door fee, whatever was collected went into the fighting fund.
The last conference we had the girls were getting a bit wise to this and left a message on my phone a couple of days before the event that my booking was cancelled.
I walked into their office and by the time I walked out the event was uncancelled.
It is not that this wasn’t going on during UOF, we dealt with it a different way.
Comment by Downunder — Sun 16th June 2019 @ 9:00 am
#3,,, It is really hard to hear these things, when you consider the rally cries of women, the psa numbers, the turnover in certain sectors of profession like teachers, Men of course needed a voice and who were they to try and quell this, it seems that research has been done but not aired in public, politicians who know but keep quiet for fear of not being fashionable, such a mess.
Comment by mama — Sun 16th June 2019 @ 9:41 am
@4 you don’t know the half of it.
After that last conference my official status was changed from citizen to resident.
My details on the electoral roll were altered.,
No where else in New Zealand except Auckland City Library’s computer system, if you put my name in a search, it would give you a warning for searching porn.
This is considered acceptable behaviour by some people.
Comment by Downunder — Sun 16th June 2019 @ 10:59 am
#3 I had never heard those details before. I wish all of that would be clearly publicly available. Thanks.
Comment by Murray Bacon — Sun 16th June 2019 @ 2:35 pm
I’m not an expert on this empathy thing.
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Comment by Evan Myers — Mon 17th June 2019 @ 5:27 pm
I think it was here recently I saw a comment about the gap between policy ideas and policy outcomes.
You might have a policy of a limited teaching certificate in say maths for a over 65 retired man to go into a primary school two mornings a week.
That might be a good way to start to get men back into the primary school situation.
The problem of course would be getting a self-centered organization like Grey Power to even think about anyone other than themselves.
If you’ve been to one of their events you’d have a better idea of what that looks like.
In my mind even small steps to mitigate further male damage are going to require a shift in social thinking by those that have not been impacted by it.
Comment by Boonie — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 9:00 am
#8,,,What a great idea that would be….”You might have a policy of a limited teaching certificate in say maths for a over 65 retired man to go into a primary school two mornings a week.”
We could bug Winston on that one,, it is against elder abuse week, old white men not getting dissed week.
and this… talk about a shift needed in social thinking…
I read an article in the herald on sat. by Michelle Dickinson, she wrote of a survey that had been carried out and the results published in C. S. Mott Children’s Hospital Poll on Children’s Health. These results showed that many Father’s are having a harder time than we might realise when it comes to doing the right thing in other peoples’ eyes. Just over half of these Dad’s said they had been criticised about their parenting styles and choices, with the most common source of criticism coming from the childs’ other parent….a surprising 10% came from complete strangers in public places!!
Comment by mama — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 9:58 am
#9 interesting comment.
This in my personal experience goes to a much bigger issue.
My son, prompted an altercation with a school caretaker who out of own interest spent his lunch time providing sports activities for boys.
The details are not so important but he would have lost his job had I not been able to turn up in the principal’s office and advise her that if there was an employment dispute I would be on his side.
His mother of course would have been happy for him to lose his job because it made her the protector of ‘her’ little boy.
The consequences of this extended to increased bitterness and she did eventually manage to completely alienate the child.
These are sometimes snippets of a story from people trying to push back in a small way without getting crucified for their effort.
Comment by Boonie — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 10:35 am
*his own interest (charitable contribution)
Comment by Boonie — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 10:42 am
#10,, Boonie,,, small things really matter,(not that this issue was so small, you may possibly have saved his life), most people walk on by such an issue,but as you show there someone was even willing to see it from a very wrong angle, which could have resulted in shaming and blaming, another wrongful allegation in the making and you took it on the chin.
PAY IT FORWARD FOR MEN MOVEMENT… if you do not care , who will?
We can all do our bit, my Son has made a friend of an acquaintance, this young man has just been set free, was addicted, but with a supportive family he has somewhere to be thank goodness…but everyone needs help to try the normal road again…with no Father in this young man’s life who should he turn to,,, my Son would love to work in this field of profession but his chances are near on impossible after his experiences with the court system, no previous charges, a good citizen, a great Dad, but now,, well at least he has a big heart, that has gotten him through, so he wants to PAY IT FORWARD,,it is a healing thing.
Comment by mama — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 11:11 am
ONE BIG REASON,,, MALE TEACHERS,, an equal rights/opportunity issue.
I have two stories to tell about the male experience in education.
Comment by mama — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 12:12 pm
Pay it forward.
So, this guy didn’t lose his job but he was no longer allowed to run a sports programme at lunch time.
He however, as you might expect resigned his position not long afterwards.
A man lost his job.
A school lost a Male sports coach.
A father lost his son.
A son lost his father.
A mother … you decide.
The only winner here was the wrecking ball of Feminism.
This is the reality that any decent guy faces.
Comment by Boonie — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 1:39 pm
Michelle Boag is on the spot, mothering John Tamihere into the Auckland Mayoralty.
Someone has to take on the tough jobs.
If she succeeds in this … I’ll might just stop myself there for the moment.
Comment by Boonie — Tue 18th June 2019 @ 2:24 pm
hmmm… what information does a Menistry of men need to know and do?
We should probably look at ways to protect men from abuse and violence.
Comment by JustCurious — Wed 19th June 2019 @ 4:45 pm
#16,,Judge Curious …Go pro camera?.. never expect anyone will believe you …seriously speaking though a Menistry, if we must, could,,,hmmmm.. stand to investigate the extended law, from 5 to 10 days, when a man is asked to leave the family home after involvement of police, that five days should include mediation to establish a way forward.
Compensation for any wrongful accusation, to be paid by the alleged victim. To includes all new facets of the law, harassment act etc. Compensation dependent on how his life may have been affected.
A stand to make sure Men are given , with out question, the same respect afforded all others in all dealings with law enforcement, a “no tolerance” for discrimination against Men.
In Prevention;
Education within schools to ensure young Men and Women are aware of new and old laws that will apply to them.
Comment by mama — Wed 19th June 2019 @ 7:26 pm
Yes, banging on the same drum… but justice for Men will only come when the public hears from a public source, a discussion created out of a need for debate over how our NZ men are being treated by the judicial system, so far in the past year this government has made law harsher for men caught up in separation, for instance.
Comment by mama — Fri 27th December 2019 @ 10:52 am