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Men Must Write

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 12:54 pm Wed 31st March 2021

I’ve copied this from a New Zealand political page … It could just as easily apply here.

In the current political muddle, or puddle if you prefer, a review of politics with high quality research that advances scholarly debates in all areas of policy and in political theory is essential to the restoration and strength that conservatism needs to successfully restore its guiding influence. 

Quoting Mark Twain, “A man who doesn’t read has no advantage over a man who cannot read.” 

The historical difficulty of men reading or taking the time to read is well described and was largely circumvented in New Zealand and quite successfully through the strength of journalism and quality of our newspapers. 

That’s not the media of today, of course. 

Those issues were read aloud in workplaces, smoko rooms, around kitchen tables and various other places communicating and educating in a way we don’t see today. 

There was a unity amongst men that we also don’t see today. 

There’s comedians aplenty and good meme-makers and they are an influence but today, as was noted a century ago by Jane Mander, we must encourage men to write. 

Wise words from our history books and sadly they must be repeated today.

22 Responses to “Men Must Write”

  1. DJ Ward says:

    I have written little privately, mostly online.
    Started writing a story twice, but best I can, destroyed them.
    However I am planning to write some things.
    Just need lots of time with nothing to do.
    Highly likely I will blessed with some.
    Then again only a sentence can say many things.

    The comment.
    Even those who don’t know what they are.
    Is still relevant, so something to explore.
    Along with better explanations for some science stuff.
    I know I got some things correct, and understand it better.
    All going well, the important stuff hidden in the background.
    And normal stuff in the foreground.

    I think Downunder that we both have written our fair share.
    Write more!
    You are not writing enough!
    “We must encourage men to write”!
    Geez, writing for me involves parole like monitoring.
    I will search for some encouragement.
    I have never had any from people in my real life.
    For writing here.

    Strange how that works.
    That somehow the subject of ours is poisoned.
    But I see now it’s because of fear.
    That they can’t handle the truth.
    That women see us looking at there crimes.
    There secret.

    We have also both written about the long term effects on men.
    And blatantly now with boys.
    Generational fatherlessness.
    I don’t know how reliable it is but I saw a statistic.
    80% of a type of rapist were raised by solo mothers.
    So let’s persecute boys.
    Clearly it’s the boys fault.
    Being naturally misogynistic to his mothers plight/choice.
    An upbringing absent of any masculinity is otherwise clearly working.
    The results are bad.
    But if we double down.
    More sex crime laws, more DV laws.
    Add a little time………
    Quick plug the holes.
    The HMNZ Misandry is sinking.
    Start the pumps.
    Denigrate them with media, and celebrate hate men marches.
    This men, as women’s compliant property, must work.

  2. Downunder says:

    @1 I studied literature to a greater depth about 10 years back. That no doubt reflected in my style and content but personally it gave me a general acceptance that anything I wrote would be historically relevant rather than accepted in the present.

    That seemed to be an incomprehensible conflict for our resident psychologist back then and the difficulty in making that transition if you can call it that was the help of another writer.

    Female in this case and although somewhat feminist dedicated to the profession. This has very much been the case in history that the best writers or writing are often produced by association and probably had much to do with the persecution of many in history – the best writers die in gaol, is an old saying.

    From what I see online with modern technology, writing, is of course, easier and an audience of some description easier to find and with that a lack of attention to what can be learned from study and reading.

    Men in this respect are falling behind very fast without realising.

  3. Evan Myers says:

    Somewhat difficult to get your head around, Mander.
    She was definitely an early feminist but you need to keep that in perspective. She was never the greatest writer for the same reason, and her first and only significant book “Story of a New Zealand River” once it did get published overseas ended up in the restricted section of New Zealand libraries … because she had that strength of character … placing her own experiences in that of a child in the story.
    She was never a man hater, and probably as a consequence of her father had a very holistic view of the world.
    Why men must write, is very much the case today, (Mander was a pre-war writer even though publication was delayed until the mid 1920s) so, what we are essentially missing, and we’re failing to understand this … not everyone of course … is that it’s easy to get lost in the current propaganda and not see what is actually happening.

  4. DJ Ward says:

    I don’t think the man hating side of feminism belongs to all feminists.
    There is many countries where genuine feminism is needed.

    Feminism is not needed in NZ.
    Do feminists have a genuine argument for where it’s needed.
    Arguments about % pay gaps is not feminism.
    As females have freedom.

    To education.
    Safe childbirth.
    Specialist hospitals.
    Free, to low cost, contraception.
    Abortion, and morning after pills.
    Childcare, and working for families.
    Maternity leave, and Child Support.
    Police that will believe any accusation.
    Refuges, and endless other services.
    Representation in law examination, making.
    Lesser sentences, if charged at all.
    Children in prisons.
    Specialist, women only Law firms.
    50% or more of assets.
    And near guaranteed child custody.
    Can legally rape men.
    Sexually assault males, free of consequences.
    Kill children, under special laws.
    Not name fathers.
    Or choose to live on a benefit for life.
    Have 5 baby daddies, all with protection orders.
    Make false accusations, with near immunity.
    Live longer, safer lives.
    Commit suicide at natural rates.
    NZer of the year awards.

    And now $50 million to try and stop 50 cervical cancer deaths.
    To feminism we have a value to a woman’s life, budgeted for value.

    What then to the value of a mans life.
    Men can write all they want, but precious time spent.
    If ones life is worthless, to feminism.
    The words, more valuable.

    As is the writing, of genuine feminists.

  5. Downunder says:

    Feminism in various forms had been on the rise since the 1700s especially in Europe and obviously played a contributing part in the lead up to WW1.

    It was effectively outlawed in Germany during the armistice as the National Socialists grew through to WW2

    Post war conservatism and rebuilding kept women occupied through to the 1970s when feminists found a protest vehicle in the Vietnam War.

    It’s hard to know what books influenced Mander and apart from an early participation in teaching she was a journalist and Newspaper editor by 1907.

    We had limited publishing facilities in those days and I imagine we lost so much valuable information that history can easily be rewritten to the advantage on the ruling gender which has been a common trend in international literature.

  6. DJ Ward says:

    Firstly I don’t have to much difficulty with the sentence.
    Once everything is considered.
    But I must write.


    What price a mans life.

    In my own experience of similar.
    My partner had taken my money from my account.
    So I had no money for petrol, to get to work.
    I asked her what the money was spent on.

    Strangely knifes are a women thing.
    And in her hand, she ended the conversation.
    Luckily for me, I got away, to the safety of a bedroom door.
    Luckily for her, nobody got hurt.

    But so simply, a murder, of this young man.
    Such a short price, for a mans life.
    No life, for a life, even as just a sentence, of time.
    Without, minimum parole.

    Hell, call it what it is.


    Would be a good, official information request.

    Last 50 cases of females charged with males death.
    Last 50 cases of males charged with females death.
    Including not charged.

    Imagine the sentence difference.
    For relationship stabbings


    7 years until parol.
    So I hope she leaves, a better person.
    And rewards society.
    For its charity.

  7. DJ Ward says:

    Life has inevitable moments, and shed a few tears.
    The emotion of forgiveness, a likely cause.
    Far better than wanting justice.

    The thing about wrongdoing, it’s like the lie.
    The truth teller, has no burden of the past.
    The wrongdoer, knows, you know the truth.

    No better, forgiveness.
    Should it not be, there burden.
    That it’s they, that must forgive themselves.

  8. Murray Bacon says:

    I thought that the sentence for murder was mandatory life imprisonment. That meant that early release is always accompanied by being subject to recall to jail, if the police are not happy with any aspect of the released prisoner’s life.
    But the Crimes Act has been amended to a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. I personally think that it is dangerous to forgo recall to prison, for convicted murderers.
    What do you think?
    Does anyone know when that change was made?

  9. Evan Myers says:

    @8 No idea about that, myself.

    But an axe murderer would know that, surely.

    Do we know any axe murderers?

  10. DJ Ward says:

    I picked up a book.
    One I have actually hardly read.
    Skimmed over the important bits.
    And occasionally, just randomly going to a page.

    So I tried, to see how I interpreted, what is written.

    So John Acts 2

    My interpretation is that.
    When Jerusalem has devout people of every nation.
    Speaking there own language.
    But easily understood, by the listener.
    Are you now all the same, just humans, Galilean.
    And I rarely drink, so it’s not the wine speaking.

    So no speaking tongues, a misinterpretation.
    It says what it says.
    Coming of the Holy Spirit.
    Power of the internet, likely.
    As interpreter.

    Not speaking tongues.
    Often used by the conmen of religion.


    Also at the time, many religions existed.
    But ultimately for any religion, if it was on sound ground.
    Would emulate Christianity.
    Just as Buddha and Christ are similar.

    So to the people of the time.
    Listening to the ideas of other religions.
    Would if Universal Theory compliant, sound identical.
    To the words of Christ.
    Hence Gods words, in all speech.
    Speaking, in all tongues.

    So possibly out of context.
    As in the point of view, of the author.

  11. DJ Ward says:

    I have been asked about my book of writing.
    If there is any secrets in there.

    I am certain some were lost, torn out.

    But there is some funny things.

    “This pen while writing nicely, pisses me off”

    “This pen behaves the worst of my four pens. Really I should learn how to use the thing properly.”

    Have lost what the other pens, said about themselves.

    One of them wrote this.

    Space we come to admire.
    From a distance we aspire.
    Stare speckled universe.
    A daunting distance free.
    Light escaping everywhere.
    Never to be set free.
    Catch a glimpse of yesterday.
    Where today is all we see.
    Cant escape fast enough.
    Because tomorrow has to be.
    But we may always remember.
    Today will always be.
    Stare speckled universe.
    Never to be set free.

  12. DJ Ward says:

    I have been advised to write some poetry.
    And just now, change the music on my radio.

    The poetry just happens.
    Trying to write it intentionally, struggles to work.

    But my radio.
    Music has with time, become a comfort.

    And a guide.
    Poets singing.

  13. DJ Ward says:

    At some point I will write a letter.
    Both time and distance are in play.
    What, and to whom.
    While I work things out, a story.

    I found the place where man separated the sea.

    I found myself at a dead end.
    The first time, I knew there was something there.
    When I found myself there again, I saw a sign.
    A lady stumbled in the distance, going up to a walkway.
    I knew whatever I was supposed to see, must be there.
    So I left my car and followed, to the same place she fell.
    And climbed the bank, and found a magnificent view.
    A great reward, for the short walk.
    There before me.
    To my left the sea.
    To my right the sea.
    Separated by the walkway, and tracks.
    There in the background, the makings of humans.
    So I searched the sea for life, and saw none.
    No weed or fish, barren and still.
    So I looked again.
    To the left tracks, for some distance.
    To the right tracks, for some distance.
    Certainly it’s in the middle, I thought.
    So I walked, to I couldn’t decide.
    And there I stood, looking.
    And at my feet I found it.
    Just a weed.
    Upon it two flowers, one good, one bad.
    So I picked the good one.
    The most perfect, of any I had seen.
    I knew then.
    I could go to meet my mother.

  14. DJ Ward says:

    The other day something interesting happened.
    While at a special place for me.
    The sun set, exactly in the V of the hills.
    In a gap of clouds.
    While behind us.
    The full moon rose.
    Cresting a hill.
    Certainly wise, the wait.
    To see it.

  15. DJ Ward says:

    The thing I feared the most.
    Due to my experience, in October last year.
    Was the fear I would be stoped, from writing.
    I knew I must write, and face the consequences.

    I learnt early in life there is some things, you cannot say.
    The result being locked up in mental health facilities.
    Something that’s stoped my writing, twice.
    So I have been very lucky.

    My writing intimately examined, judged.
    So I have done well.
    Treading the fine line, to get the words out.
    An output, to my experience.

    And a better understanding of things.
    So if it happens again.
    Who knows then.
    What argument, would be written next.

  16. Evan Myers says:

    bildungsroman … is a European word for a classification of books we refer to in English as ‘coming of age’ literature.

    The one I remember most from my teenage years is “The Contender” by Robert Lypsyte.

    Do they still feature in adolescence today?

    Are there modern versions?

    Do you remember a particular book from your teenage years?

  17. DJ Ward says:

    Some interesting arguments in this.

    The title itself, can be looked at with humour.
    Are humans overrated, still a little simple.

    “So you might think our galaxy has produced civilisations more than once and maybe thousands or millions of times. But there’s no evidence of this.”

    This is the important part to the argument.
    Because it’s the only evidence we have.

    “Life on Earth is about 3.8 billion years old and that was pretty much single-cell life for about 3.2 billion of those years, he said. More complex life started evolving on Earth about 600 million years ago.”

    The first issue is going from nothing to the cell.
    If that’s a statistical miracle, we may be the only one.
    But science can show how it can happen.
    Humans can attempt to measure the odds.

    It took an awfully long time, for multi cell creatures to be created.
    If that’s a statistical miracle, we may be the only one.
    But science can show how it can happen.
    Humans can attempt to measure the odds.

    It took an awfully long time, for human intelligence to be created.
    If that’s a statistical miracle, we may be the only one.
    Are we not our own science experiment.
    Certain we are alone.

    Even another civilisation lasting 100 million years.
    Is only a small window of time.
    Not even we humans have proved, interstellar colonisation is possible.
    Or even communication.

    I actually support the idea of very simple life being common.
    Even if it’s one in every 1000 stars, life is still common.
    Millions of examples, and millions of extinctions.
    There remains only one question.

    Have our statistical miracles run out.

  18. DJ Ward says:

    In the darkness, shadows are complete.
    Then at dawn, your shadow appears.
    As long as it will be, it approaches.
    Slowly until midday, your shadow greets you.
    As short as it will be, even directly below you.
    Slowly then, the shadow grows taller.
    The shadow rising, as the sun sets.
    As long as it will be, it flees.
    Then again, in darkness hides the shadow.
    Complete again.

  19. DJ Ward says:

    This is an interesting argument.

    I have watched a documentary of his, so have listened to his point of view.
    If evolution is involved in everything, but innate things like a rock.
    Then even knowledge, is evolutionary.

    The example used, the mats shows knowledge in practice.
    How then did the knowledge, develop.
    Was there an observation, in the distant past.
    The observer, then intentionally doing it again.
    The story told, and passed on.

    Myths then are an analogy, of knowledge.
    Observation, has evolved a story.
    Even gravity becomes a story, of an apple falling from a tree.
    So myths are not in conflict, with science.
    They are the observation, of science.
    They can and do, get taught together.

    A piece of knowledge, can in words be complete fantasy.
    And clearly, not true.
    But it’s philosophy, may be undeniably science.

    Dawkins proposal, is for boring science.
    Narrowed down, to only the empirical.
    What is knowledge then, without a description.
    When the apple breaks free, it will certainly hit the ground.
    Even Dawkins reverence to science, commands it to be so.

  20. DJ Ward says:

    There is an error, in calling the rock innate.
    What then of the pebble, did it not evolve from the rock.

    Broken loose from its perch, the rock begins life.
    Gravity seals its fate, moving it inevitably lower.
    Nature visits the rock, with its wind and rain.
    And life swarms it, atom by atom dissolving it.
    Slowly it falls, swept up in even the smallest of landslides.
    Greeting its new master, the stream.
    Swept up in the flood, it tumbles.
    Chipping away, at its surface.
    Slowly nature shapes it, to be aerodynamic.
    The rock now evolved, into the pebble.
    Carried down stream, for some even to the sea.
    Deposited, for an age.

    It’s the human, that can play god with the pebble.
    Digging it up, changing the pebbles fate.
    It is humans, that can crush the pebble.
    The rock evolving, ever smaller.
    Using humans, to be new again.

    But now, many new rocks.

  21. DJ Ward says:

    Even Santa is something, evolved by humans.
    It was not a thing, when Christ was around.
    So we made a day, to celebrate him and his gift.
    Guessing a day, and being contented with it.
    For us it’s near our longest day, the heat of summer is arriving.

    Santa’s parts are real, if you think about it.
    Sleighs are real, so as well the domesticated Reindeer.
    Near the shortest day, and longest night.
    So plenty of time for some, even the endless night.
    Time enough for the elves to make things, and Santa to deliver.

    But what of the myth, of flying.
    Is that not a magical thing, when the story was made.
    Yet look about, do humans not fly.
    Have humans not evolved the imaginary, real already.
    Soon a human will make a contraption, a flying sleigh.

    I am certain children would find such a thing, entertaining.
    After all, that is what we celebrate for.
    New life and the smile, of a child.
    At is maximum potential, yet completely helpless.
    For one birthday all children, can share in goodwill.

  22. DJ Ward says:

    The subject of a person splitting into personalities, is interesting.
    As I did it at a very young age, as a result of an accident.
    It’s were I put all the bad things, some now blank patches in time.
    There is no need to remember, some things.

    One personality is presented to the world, the other is in hiding from it.
    One is calm and collected, one is an emotional train wreck.
    One writes, and one speaks.
    Dare not one speak, as anything may be said.
    Dare not one write, as it would be boring.

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