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In It For You

Filed under: General — Downunder @ 1:59 pm Sun 27th August 2023

In It For You

You may recognise the phrase as the Labour Party Election Slogan for 2023.

I thought it an odd phrase when I first heard it and tossed around what it might mean.

Self promotion? Prime minister and Labour leader Chris Hipkins saying, I’m “In it for you”?
Or the Labour Party is it it for you.

How else might you interpret that.

This afternoon in a speech from Hipkins came the answer.

I guess if you’re not immersed in identity politics, like me you might not have seen the bottom line coming.

I will bring New Zealanders together.

I’m a leader who’s in [it?] for you, whether you’re Maōri, [Māori] Pacifica, Pakeha, gay, straight, born here, migrated here, a man, a woman, trans, young, old, or different in your own way.

[This from a guy who stumbled over the question, “What’s a women”?]

What’s a man? … Certainly not a person that Labour has previously been particularly found of in its policies and had one leader go as far as “apologising for being a man.”

In terms of creating drama and division and disadvantage pick your identity, well anything except, “indifferent” and come begging.

Forget your individual sovereignty and accept equality of identity. The state will determine your outcomes.

My brain must have been on holiday … that makes a lot more sense now.

Later that day …

“He’s announcing something that everybody already knows, which is that New Zealand First has already ruled out going into any form of government with Labour – because of their racist separatist policies.”

An instant response from NZ First which adds the distinction that the alternative is all people with one identity. If we can’t be just a global citizen, which realistically is probably beyond reason, the sovereign identity of New Zealanders, Kiwis.

That might not solve gender issues and feminist issues like the family court but it’s better than men having to fight each other over an island at the bottom of the Pacific based on some political identity.

The current separatism is threatening even Pacific partnerships and oddly enough we saw our NZ parliament this month host a gathering of female mps from Pacific parliaments.

Election humour strikes again.


  1. This is a statistic I found, so both copied.

    “Our gross debt figure, a simple tally of all our public and private debt now sits at $722.62 billion. Dated Aug 22.
    New Zealand National Government Debt reached 89.9 USD bn in Mar 2023, compared with 84.4 USD bn in the previous quarter.”

    So the leader thinks NZ is rich, but actually it’s not.
    Tell me then, where is the $772 billion.
    Or the government, where is it’s $140 billion.
    We have the houses and roads, but no money.
    That 772 billion, must cost a lot to finance.

    The problem with the left, is other people’s money.
    Which it gives away, so you become dependent.
    Those with money, get taxed and taxed and leave.
    NZ is already heavily taxed, government is huge.
    We are a first world nation, but socialism is like cancer.
    Slowly it grows, wanting to control everything.
    In the process, it bankrupts itself.

    I did read his speech, strangely published.
    It’s all feel good stuff, we are good they are bad.
    They are racist, but we support good racist things.
    He had to add, the right hates women.

    Thankfully we are not the US, with there left wing.
    I watch some things, it’s constant lies.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 29th August 2023 @ 6:40 pm

  2. That’s is good humour, the sign is funny.

    I am seeing them now, popping up everywhere.
    This labour party slogan, and then the other slogans.
    Am I seeing things, is this all we can cope with.
    The human mind so limited, it only copes with slogans.
    Our eyesight so limited, we need big letters.
    Hence the sign, says so little.

    Imagine that as democracy, the 21st century slogan wars.
    With such limited camera time, you must be on message.
    The person with the best slogan, becoming the winner.
    Think of Trump, did he not win with a slogan with MAGA.

    Maybe slogans stop working, and you need new ones.
    Every election year each party, gives it a try.
    Making signs, and putting them everywhere.
    If you don’t observe politics, the slogan is all you have.

    But think how brilliant it is, for the slogan to work.
    The sign in the post, makes you feel something.
    By simply adding a few letters, a sentence changed.
    The emotion transformed, from the original.

    Never underestimate the power, of a sentence.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Fri 1st September 2023 @ 12:10 pm

  3. We are quite interesting, for our voting.
    Governments get voted out, rather than voted in.
    And we do it often, we get regular change.
    Maybe it’s that balance, a reason for our working democracy.

    Yet for many nations, it’s the military with coups.
    Bad government, replaced by bad dictatorship.
    There is no voting, it’s what gang has power.
    The party is still a gang, but at least we can fire them.

    By the looks of it, a minor party will hold power.
    If anything it makes power less, for the big party’s.
    Labour was like a dictator, voting with power on its own.
    Maybe that’s more radical, than needing a minor party.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 9th September 2023 @ 8:02 pm

  4. It means they have it in for us. Whom they have it in isn’t made clear.

    Comment by Ministry for Men — Mon 11th September 2023 @ 12:17 pm

  5. It seems you are right, it’s all about us.
    The more I look, the less I like.
    All we get is budgets, and even racism.
    The rich will stay rich, and the poor stay poor.
    Wages low, and housing unaffordable.

    I see nothing inspiring, no real difference.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Mon 11th September 2023 @ 9:24 pm

  6. In my view, they are not in it for men and boys.

    Disadvantaged in health.

    Disadvantaged in separation.

    Disadvantaged in education.

    Disadvantaged in criminal sentencing.

    Disadvantaged in life expectancy.

    Disadvantaged in suicide stats.

    Comment by Lukenz — Tue 12th September 2023 @ 8:50 am

  7. An example today, is millions for cervical cancer.
    That’s for women’s health, and maybe value for money.
    But it’s a policy for women, in a long list of policy.
    I can’t think of a cent, in policy for any men’s issue.

    Unfortunately politics, is like a contest of two evils.
    Who’s path to financial ruin, do we go on.
    Capitalism needing most, to be slaves trapped renting.
    Or socialism taxing into poverty, all dependant on government.

    All is not well, politicians vote for themselves.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 12th September 2023 @ 6:17 pm

  8. One can be harsh, with criticism.
    But is there a solution, is the criticism pointless.
    I have found, I don’t like something.
    I don’t like debt, helping the rich get richer.
    The poor without access to debt, stay poor.
    We all know the story, from one house to fifty.
    We all know them, as many of our politicians.

    Good on everyone, who has become rich.
    That’s capitalism, if you can do it then try.
    What a world of landlords, only fans or a presidents income.
    You can argue about morals, but this is about money.
    So you can’t go backwards, stealing it back.
    You can’t say, they have not done well.
    A moral thing, is different from a legal thing.

    What if you decided, to help the poor.
    What happens with debt, would have to change.
    You can imagine the outrage, in financial circles.
    All that imaginary money, needs a return.
    The more debt it makes, the more money it makes.
    Think of the CEO bonuses, and obscene salary.
    Give it time, every home becoming just leveraged debt.
    The worst that could happen, is having less debt.

    The other extreme, is home ownership is normal.
    Owning rentals, is however not actually taxed.
    You need rentals, for many reasons.
    If your rich, then fully own the home as an asset.
    Claim expenses and if there’s profit, that’s good.
    But if you have debt, you pay a tax of plus 1%.
    The tax funds homes for the poor, at minus 1%.
    After the first home, you pay normal.
    Home ownership, cheaper than rental ownership.
    Over time, commercial investment becomes more attractive.
    More people rich, will do it with real business.
    You will still get, the successful investor.

    Actually if you think about it, it is a small change.

    Dodgy lending, would likely avoid that tax.
    Loaning against a rental, would need to be a legal thing.
    Non bank lending, used to avoid the extra tax.
    Or maximum on the personal home, without the tax.
    Humans are clever, people will still become rich.

    No political party, would change banking and rentals.
    But it could be done, very easily.
    Imagine a male worker, affording a family home.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 13th September 2023 @ 7:29 pm

  9. In it for you, implies they agree with everyone.
    That on any subject, they are on your side.

    Immigration is a subject, with many opinions.
    Do you want a falling population, or growing population.
    Personally I like the idea, of a stable population.
    Labour cannot be in it for you, if your opinion is different.

    Climate change is a subject, with many opinions.
    Do you minimise pollution, or just carry on oblivious.
    Personally I like the idea, of some radical changes.
    Labour cannot be in it for you, if your opinion is different.

    They are just subjects, but both with dire consequences.
    One humans consume the land, and nature will be gone.
    One the ocean consumes the land, nature will take over.
    You may notice little change, in three years of politics.

    Try then plan NZ, with the same policy for 100 years.
    What is your sea level, is all the farms now housing.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 27th September 2023 @ 12:01 pm

  10. NZ is just a pawn, on the issue of climate change.
    There’s little we can do, just make a little move ahead.
    We could radically be better, but the world will not follow.
    If the game of chess is climate change, the game has started.
    Pieces have been moved, and it looks like you made mistakes.
    If you win, the world stays the same.
    If you lose, the sea is 60 meters higher.
    Who knows the temperature, for a hot day.
    And the rain, it hasn’t stopped raining at my house.

    I don’t see politicians, even trying to move the pawn.
    It’s like the players resigned, in the mind they can’t win.
    The big pieces like the US and China, cannot be stopped.
    Why radical here, when nobody else will follow.

    If you can see the future, then you can make it happen.
    You can see NZ, with fully renewable energy.
    You can see everything electric, your car even the tractor.
    We better use land, with less emissions and more absorption.
    You will never get zero emissions, but NZ could try.
    It may be a small move, but pawns also win chess games.

    When I look at graphs, climate change looks real to me.
    More and more, that 60 meters looks inevitable.
    The world is getting worse, little is getting better.
    If we don’t use the petrol, someone else will.
    And we can do little, at least politicians think that way.

    New amazing warplane, or new electric tractors.
    New invincible tank, or new 4 wheeler electric motorbikes.
    New super speed AI missile, or new battery technology.
    New aircraft carrier, or wind and sun using shipping solutions.
    So you can do things, even if they sound radical.
    The politicians, just need to spend our money better.

    Labour did a few things, so they were not awful.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 27th September 2023 @ 10:41 pm

  11. I try not to be political, supporting a party.
    But I don’t like lies, when I see politicians do it.
    And for the most part, we are lucky in NZ.
    It’s not blatant lies, like you see in the US.

    I don’t like the idea, of me cursing a result.
    My support misguided, and they do wrong things.
    My vote itself, a curse I don’t want to carry.
    Please vote, but leave me out of it.

    Even when a person asks me, who to vote for.
    I argue both sides, the good and the bad.
    It’s a sad truth, it’s about what they offer the voter asking.
    If you keep offering, soon it’s trillions like the US.

    Unlike the US at least our politicians, try to be good with money.
    The are not accused, of doing dodgy things.
    Face trials or lawsuits, or got millions for nothing.
    Unlike the US, we have a functioning democracy.

    I may not vote but if I do, it will be for a good reason.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Wed 4th October 2023 @ 7:40 pm


    (like genuinely please)

    Comment by kittenlvr54 — Thu 12th October 2023 @ 11:36 am

  13. There is moments in time, where somethings true.
    The election is being counted, you can watch live.
    At this moment, things are close.
    National and Act, winning by two seats.
    Just a small change, and they lose a seat.

    Property investors, are already celebrating.
    Not sure about renters, things look bad.
    Owning a home, will become harder.

    One thing that is good, is the number of parties.
    There is many points of view, in our parliament.
    Not a dictator or two party’s, but democracy.

    Slim majority’s are unstable, without support.
    Think of the US, it’s democracy is a mess.
    I would be making friends, if I was National.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sat 14th October 2023 @ 11:12 pm

  14. I went to a therapy, for most of a year.
    Paid for with my own money, but it didn’t help.
    Then the government forced me, to have therapy.
    You paid for that, so my thanks.
    My problem is not my experience, it’s my illness.
    So for me medication, is all that can help.
    Luckily for me despite side effects, I am well.
    In the past people like me, had far worse outcomes.
    That’s why you attack me, you know I’m different.
    It’s only natural, like a fight or flight response.

    Give an argument a go, the wrong needing therapy.
    I make mistakes, that need correcting.
    Your point of view, is worth exploring.
    Everything I write, is intended to be criticised.
    Everyone can find, a comment they do not like.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 15th October 2023 @ 10:49 am

  15. Democracy has flaws, the result can be bad.
    The moderate party, gets pushed to the extreme.
    National gets pushed to the right, by the Act party.
    Labour gets pushed to the left, by the Green Party.
    A slim majority, can give power to small parties.
    This may be a 51:51 parliament, and we must vote again.

    It seems the more democracy, the more unstable politics.
    Labour having a majority on its own, was a rare event.
    Normal is the moderate party, negotiating with radicals.
    The two party system, gives a clear result.
    But who protects the citizens, when the big party goes radical.
    The small party, may be the only sane or good thing we have.

    Maybe we face the opposite, the small party stops the big one.
    National does a deal with NZ First, to be less radical.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 15th October 2023 @ 8:45 pm

  16. I can diagnose my error, in the previous comment.
    It’s not 51:51 in NZ, the outcome may be 61:61.
    Firstly it’s numbers, the mind can struggle with them.
    I also look at statistics, I look at the world with it.
    Plus National could be 51 seats, poisoning my mind.

    Interesting how humans, keep getting 50:50 in politics.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 17th October 2023 @ 5:12 pm

  17. It seems the result, does not give a majority.
    Technically Labour or National, could make a government.
    And we don’t know yet, what the deals are.
    What promises, are not kept as a result.

    I watch with interest, what they do with housing.
    Do they run the economy, with more immigration.
    Can they balance the budget, or do they print money.
    Will they reduce bureaucracy, with AI do we even need it.

    I am certain they will bulldoze more land, for more settlers.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Sun 5th November 2023 @ 8:33 am

  18. Things are taking time, to form a government.
    So it can’t be all agreeable, otherwise it would be done.
    Strange how a caretaker government, feels like normal.
    They are temporarily powerless, and can do no harm.
    But at anytime they could start, with some radical changes.
    Who knows what Act gets, who knows what NZ first gets.
    To gain power, very little may be National policy.

    I will be very interested, with our voting in the UN.
    Many in National, support the killing of Palestinians.
    They would vote differently, than labor’s voting recently.
    They would vote with the US and Israel, not with the world.
    Maybe it’s a good thing, National is taking its time.
    Soon they gain power, will they be radicals with our reputation.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 21st November 2023 @ 7:49 pm

  19. I’m not sure what party made the date, but a big change is happening.

    It’s completely understandable, why this is happening.
    Presently an EV, is not paying anything.
    I drive a petrol car, so my petrol is very expensive due to tax.
    It is only fair, that they contribute money for using roads.

    However I suspect many, will be upset at the price they charge.

    “Owners of light EVs are set to pay $76 per 1000km, the same as equivalent diesel vehicles.”

    My new car is a piece of rubbish, but it’s very economical.
    Going by what I’m spending, my petrol costs $140 per 1000km.
    So over half my petrol costs, must be taxation just for roads.
    If you only looked at the tax, it may be cheaper to use a petrol car.
    Add in purchase price and electricity, petrol may still be cheaper.
    I don’t think that’s a good outcome, especially for emissions.

    So I would question the price, but not the idea.

    Comment by DJ Ward — Tue 16th January 2024 @ 6:20 pm

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