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Pre-school sex-abuse victim admits “I lied”

Filed under: Sex Abuse / CYF — JohnPotter @ 10:37 am Mon 31st October 2005

The McMartin pre-school molestation case in California proved to be the blueprint for dozens of other ‘satanic panics’ around the world. Interviewers at the now notorious Children’s Institute International developed considerable expertise at brainwashing small children into making bizarre accusations of ritual sex abuse.

These same techniques were used in NZ to successfully convict Peter Ellis, plus a number of other male pre-school workers around the country who did not attract the same media attention. Children’s Institute International techniques have been promoted in NZ by DSAC Doctors for Sexual Abuse Care, and other feminist groups which work to remove men from contact with children.

In a Los Angeles Times story by Debbie Nathan: McMartin Pre-Schooler: ‘I Lied’ , Kyle Zirpolo, one of the accusing children in the McMartin case apologises and describes how he was coerced into fabricating the evidence used to prosecute the teachers.

We were examined by a doctor. I took my clothes off and lay down on the table. They checked my butt, my penis. There was a room with a lot of toys and stuffed animals and dolls. The dolls were pasty white and had hair where the private parts were. They wanted us to take off their clothes. It was just really weird.

I remember them asking extremely uncomfortable questions about whether Ray touched me and about all the teachers and what they did–and I remember telling them nothing happened to me. I remember them almost giggling and laughing, saying, “Oh, we know these things happened to you. Why don’t you just go ahead and tell us? Use these dolls if you’re scared.”

Anytime I would give them an answer that they didn’t like, they would ask again and encourage me to give them the answer they were looking for. It was really obvious what they wanted. I know the types of language they used on me: things like I was smart, or I could help the other kids who were scared.

Researchers have since shown that when children are subjected to the interviewing techniques used by Children’s Institute International, most start to make up bizarre stories within a few minutes. A few excerpts from the transcript of Kyle’s interview by two CII staff members show how blatantly they go about framing-up the teacher Ray:

Interviewer 1: We got a mountain of dolls here. Here’s a little girl. Easy to tell she’s a girl. She has a bow, and her vagina’s underneath…. Kids throw ’em, beat ’em up, and everything. You should’ve seen [another child] beating ’em up. Boy we had a good time–

Interviewer 2: Beating up Mr. Ray doll.

Although these psychologically abusive techniques were used on many thousands of children around the world, few interviewers have ever been held to account, and nothing has been done to address the damage done to children used as cannon-fodder in the gender wars. Most agencies will claim: ‘we don’t do it like that any more’, but while they remain in steadfast denial about the extent of their past abuse, we should be very afraid of allowing our children to fall into their clutches.

Likewise, potential jury members should always be extremely sceptical of a prosecution based on solely ‘disclosures’ to interviewers, or where ‘experts’ like Doctors for Sexual Abuse Care have been involved.


  1. Reading this article I recall part of my Waikato University Masters in Counselling program. Students were taken to a then brand spanking new sexual abuse centre in Hamilton which was proudly touted as leading edge. There I met the infamous lesbian feminist Psychologist Miriam Saphira (she who’d aquired her masters by extrapolating from less than 0.1% self selected NZ females to ‘prove’ that 1 in 4 women had been sexually assaulted!). Miriam proudly showed us all the dolls used for ‘interviewing’ children. The dolls had absolutely gigantic oversized genitalia! Something that would instantly attract anyones attention because they looked so goddam freaky. She preached positively about these hideous things, saying how if a child touched the genitalia (what child wouldn’t?) it was a sign to question them about sexual abuse!
    I shiver just thinking about it.

    Comment by Stephen — Mon 31st October 2005 @ 2:19 pm

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    Comment by triassic — Mon 31st October 2005 @ 9:01 pm

  3. I was living in England in the 70’s when the Cleveland incident was exposed. It changed my view on the “Child Experts”.
    An Australian psychologist working in the North of England discovered a brilliant way of saving kids from sexual abuse. All teachers were to report if a child was showing signs of withdrawal or lack of interest in learning. These kids would then be subject to medical examination where their orifice (anal & viginal) would be penetrated and the reaction of the muscles to this intrusion would determine the existence of sexual abuse.

    When this method eventually came under scrutiny it was discovered that through this method hundreds of children had been removed from their parents. It produced an outcry that brought about the Cleveland Report

    Very sick people have positions of power in our society. Be alert for them as they can sometimes be hard to spot. We regard Rev Graham Capill as a monster for preying on a few children. However, these “experts” damage thousand and walk away without any accountability.

    My father always defined experts as “x” being the unknown quantity and “spert” being a drip under pressure.

    Comment by triassic — Mon 31st October 2005 @ 9:06 pm

  4. Very sad that retractions are made often when maximum damge is done.
    By the time the truth is out peoples lives are ruined.
    Doctors For Sexual Abuse Care will treat every person they examine as if they have been raped, or sexually abused. The standard of their ethics and conduct in practice needs to be exposed so that they are held accountable when they are clearly wrong.
    Lesbian psychologists seem to be very common in areas of child abuse which is a worry for most men.
    We seem to be making very little progress in New Zealand in the areas of fale allegations of sexual abuse.

    Comment by rejected — Mon 31st October 2005 @ 10:35 pm

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