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Toots for Air New Zealand Protest

Filed under: General,Sex Abuse / CYF — JohnPotter @ 5:16 pm Mon 5th December 2005

The intersection of Albert and Customs Streets in Auckland was filled with a cacophony of car, bus and truck horns at lunchtime today. Protesters outside Air New Zealand’s main office held signs which read: “If you are male and not a paedophile — toot!”

On the opposite corner, Jim Bailey sat on the top of his War-4-Kids Wagon, asking (rather loudly through his speaker system) why Air New Zealand wants to stop children having contact with men.

Bryan Norton attempted to deliver a letter of protest addressed to Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe, but the airline didn’t want to know. The staff member who initially came to make sure Bryan left the building said he would take it but refused to identify himself. Eventually he agreed to send someone down to receive it within 10 minutes, however nobody came.

After about 20 minutes, Brian went back to reception, this time followed by two video cameras, and it was agreed he could leave his letter with the receptionist.

About 15 minutes after all the other protesters had gone home, Murray Bacon and I were still talking on the steps outside the building when a lone policeman arrived. Spotting a placard left leaning against the wall behind me he came over and asked if we were the “surging throng of protesters” he’d been sent to settle down.

“Oh you’ve brought us a beer then have you?” asked Murray hopefully, but the policeman just grinned and replied “not till after work.”

The New Zealand Herald supports the airline policy. In an editorial entitled Airlines protecting children they demonstrate that they understand the principles involved, and that the actual risk to any child is negligible:

That they should not be deeming all males untrustworthy because of a worst-case scenario. And that such a scenario is highly unlikely, given the crowded nature of most airliners and the watchfulness of airline staff.

But then they switch into sex abuse hysteria mode:

people who prey on children are masters of cunning and trickery… It could be an opportunity for contact to be made which might lead to “grooming” of a child…one in five English children had been the subject of unwanted sexual advances outside the home.

Anything goes in the name of ‘protecting children’ according to the Herald:

as in all matters bearing on such abuse, society must make the protection of children its paramount concern.

When major newspapers join the lynch mob like this, and fail in their responsibility to uphold human rights, the foundations of our society are undermined, and everybody becomes less safe.

Air New Zealand Protest
Air New Zealand Protest
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  1. Society must make the protection of children paramount at all costs.

    “society” men participate or have any voice at all here?

    “at all costs”…does this turn children against men. Is this what we teach the kids…dont sit next to a MAN..he will hurt you!

    How do men protect themselves from kids if they are taught that men are child abusers? We have bugger male school teachers as it is. AND THE KIDS ARE THE WORSE FOR THAT!!!!

    We have one sick “society” here.

    Comment by Morris Lindsay — Mon 5th December 2005 @ 10:01 pm

  2. The added evil of Bigotry is that it starts in the form of an angel and eventually when it’s too late it shows itself as a monster.
    Every bigot I have ever debated with has always got valid issues they want remedies for. It’s their lack of cognition that makes their ideologies so pathetic and destructive.

    A study of German Society in the 30’s would be of assistance to those who support this policy.

    This policy is a mirror of the institutionalised prejudice that runs right through our society. Its only when you end up fighting for your children that you discover it. When the Commissioner for Children applauds this ideology you begin to understand why Judges have such a hard time being neutral in their findings. I thank God that some Judges are beginning to have the wisdom and courage to overcome this prejudice.

    Males and females are capable of horrendous crimes against children and as they are so vulnerable they must be protected but this should never be achieved by simple solutions.

    Comment by triassic — Mon 5th December 2005 @ 11:11 pm

  3. I hang my head in shame at being a NZer these days. Sadly I have to report I’m no advertisement for it being a good place to be.
    I thought I’d emigrated to a fair land and escaped the class antagonism of my birth country England. (You know all that stuff about ugalitarian and giving people a fair go radaradarada….)
    But no, it seems I simply unwittingly joined another class war and another underclass – men.
    Don’t you think it’s terribly ironic that it’s the feminist left who’ve largely created this underclass?
    Symptomatic is the arrogant sexism blithely displayed by the airlines against men; a sign of deep and festering malaise IMO. And all the hyperbole in the NZ Herald about the Airlines unease at thier stupid stand, seems simply that -hype. Conveniently drummed up to rationalise and create sympathy for the national carrier in a vain attempt to try and save national face.
    For how embarrassing it is to be a Kiwi these days! The NZ flagship of the skies insultingly dumps on it’s menfolk bigtime.
    Ah, but distance definitely provides perspective.
    If only you could hear as I do here overseas the damage this is doing to our international reputation. More on that later.
    Further illustrative of NZs sexist anti male double standards this most recent debacle provides further grist for mocking it.
    For whilst study after study shows most violence against children is perpetrated in the home by female ‘caregivers’ we don’t have a ban on women caring for children therein, which would be akin to what Air NZ and Quantas are doing to men.
    I’m left with a feeling of utter disgust at the airlines. Plus the strong suspicion that whilst on the surface it may seem like only a few blokes will be bothered about this, inside the hearts of countless good Kiwi men must be a mounting fear at the onslaught they are under.
    They’re seemingly discriminated against at virtually every turn when it comes to the conceiving and rearing of the nations offspring – the lace curtain indeed.
    All the while I imagine there’s considerable if quiet feminist glee at thier free hand to further indoctrinate a whole generation into anti-male values as they marginalize men with thier sick propoganda.
    And meanwhile I fear the pathetic suckers at the Airlines got sucked in by a mix of misplaced chivalry and ‘risk management’ theory. They send a solid yet shameful message to all the menfolk of NZ – You’re a suspected Paedophile everywhere you go. How to kick your menfolk in the teeth.
    For the record, as a former psychotherapist working for several years with male sex offenders in both prison and the wider community I cannot for the life of me imagine even the dumbest of them trying to groom a kid on an airplane surrounded by so many people. That’s never been a modus operandi I’ve ever heard of. To the contrary, to my knowledge they have universally preyed on solitary kids, not those in crowded public spaces under the watchful eyes of cabin crew. So the whole thing smacks of hysteria to me.
    Convenient for the diehard misandrists and beaujolais feminists, but surely nonesensical to the silent majority.
    At least I hope so, or there’s no way I’m ever coming back to NZ except to settle my affairs before leaving for greener (as in more male friendly) pastures.
    Mark my words though. I wouldn’t leave quietly.
    As it is I’m busy exposing this sick underbelly of NZ to anyone who’ll listen. And plenty do from accross the globe as they wonder out loud why I’m not there, and why I’m seriously considering moving on.
    I’m so concerned that I’m also close to setting up a website specifically to forewarn potential visitors and emigrees (especially but not exclusively males) to NZ about how unsafe it would be for them to visit or settle there.
    Risk management see.

    Rave over.

    Comment by Stephen — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 2:40 am

  4. but what a great rave Stephen. Says it all…..

    Comment by MarkL — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 8:21 am

  5. hmmm – let me see …
    … can’t sit next to an unaccompanied kid – God knows what I might do …
    … better not sit next to my own kid – God knows what I might do …
    (besides – I’ve already been ruled “a risk” to her)
    … better not sit next to a woman – God knows what I might do …
    (men of course only rape and beat up woman)
    … better not sit next to a man – God knows what I might do …
    (violence being the male means of communication, and all that jazz)

    Who does that leave?

    Having looked into various stats, I guess I can safely sum up a few here, with some minor rounding etc.
    * Approx 5% of kids are abused by their fathers.
    * Maybe 40-50% by step-fathers & other male relatives.
    * About 40% by other males known to them.
    * Perhaps 10% by complete strangers.

    [Quoted statisitics available on request.]

    But Dr Felicity Goodyear-Smith summed it all up in one of her writings:
    In response to how men are guilty no matter what – “and should there be a complete lack of evidence – that just shows how deviously clever they are”.
    (I know I’ve probably misquoted slightly, again – happy to quote the exact phrase later).

    Comment by Al D Rado — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 8:46 am

  6. Awesome demo…congrats!

    Guy Lavigne
    Hawkesbury, Ontario

    Comment by Guy Lavigne — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 12:07 pm

  7. You guys have right and indignation on your side. keep that pressure up. Remember PBS in the USA thought the Fathers Movement was “toothless” and they now admmit they were staggered by the response which they describe as a “massive co-ordinated response”. ANZ hope you will all just go away after getting tired. Don’t let them get away with it. Keep Fighting. You Kiwis never give up. Your forefathers had that spirit and you have it too.


    Comment by Jeremy Swanson — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 1:46 pm

  8. Al D Rado

    Please show us the statistics and the source.

    I note that no women are included in the figures you supply.

    Comment by Chuck Bird — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 1:56 pm

  9. Chuck Bird … tomorrow
    Or WebMaster – is there a better place or way to post some general abuse stats?

    Comment by Al D Rado — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 3:39 pm

  10. Re: * Approx 5% of kids are abused by their fathers.
    * Maybe 40-50% by step-fathers & other male relatives.
    * About 40% by other males known to them.
    * Perhaps 10% by complete strangers.
    Where are the stats on female abusers?
    Stay tuned, here in Victoria Australia, a 600 page doc. as 3 studies on female (mothers, sisters, aunts,etc) sexual abusers is in the process of being reviewed for publication.
    Female sexual abusers represent at least 30% of paedophiles,
    most male paedophiles behind bars were victims of chronic incest at the hands of females in their families, and the abuser acted unilaterally (without any involvement from males).

    Comment by tom — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 4:28 pm

  11. Assuming you are talking about sexual abuse, Felicity quotes data from the Christchurch study which suggests 1.5% natural parents and 22.5% step parents.

    Physical abuse is 39 percent mothers and 40 percent fathers.

    You can download Felicity’s paper: Myths and Realities about Child Maltreatment [pdf]

    Al D Rado – it might be better to start a new thread – particularly if you have information about female abuses – you’ll need to register as an author.

    Comment by JohnP — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 8:44 pm

  12. I agree we need to warn other unsuspecting Families and Men who are considering immgrating to the now prooven anti Male NZ.

    But I think also another group of people who need warning are our young Men in NZ.

    I think they need to be educated on exactly what can and will happen to them if they have children.

    And all the law biases against us for having an XY and not an XX chromosome pair.

    Also that they as Fathers are a cats whisker away from being imprisoned if they happen to become separated from thier partner and children.

    I guess now, no education is necessary for our young Men about how NZ society considers all Men to be paedophiles.

    Comment by Moose — Tue 6th December 2005 @ 9:49 pm

  13. Make calls to ban the sexist Airline.

    Hit em, where it hurts the most.

    Comment by Christianj — Wed 7th December 2005 @ 12:21 am

  14. It’s a bit like Racial Profiling. It shouldn’t happen.

    They shouldn’t have young kids travelling alone, and if they do, they should have some sort of airline worker sit with them as guys like me don’t want to sit next to strangers kids anyhow.

    Comment by Livus — Tue 7th February 2006 @ 2:31 pm

  15. #14..take a flight or a trip somewhere and refuse to sit next to a woman or kid and watch the reaction youll get about your bad attitude..i have myself in the past refused to talk to female call center workers and ph goes down like a lead balloon

    Comment by Ford — Fri 30th December 2011 @ 3:06 pm

  16. 400 killed, killer eventually caught and set free again. Profiling raises its ugly head ….

    Comment by MurrayBacon — Sat 22nd September 2018 @ 11:50 am

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