The Naked Truth
It is time for New Zealand Society to make a critical decision.
This is a decision that will save both our adults and our children so much of the current heartache and abuse we are dealing with.
The best way to describe this situation is to understand the final destination of those who make a great contribution to the leadership and direction of our society.
Let’s look at a society as they see it with almost totally female makeup, with a few gay guys contributing to a sperm bank. In order to maintain a population it requires 50% of the females to have two children,(the child bearers), and that leaves the other 50% of the females free to do work, (the workers). Being a gay man is a privileged and respected position.
This society has a complete separation between human reproduction and sexual gratification.
In terms of reproduction a female obtains a pregnancy by sperm donation, with no physical interaction with a male. Technical manipulation allows for the guaranteed female male ratio.
In terms of sexual gratification, which is as much a state of mind as a natural biological inclination, females are raised to expect to get their jolly’s from other females, and gay men likewise from other men.
Gender interaction is a frowned upon, an unacceptable aberration.
What we have here is a gynaecocracy in the making, with heterosexual people desperately fighting for their families.
I think it is important to understand not only what we are fighting against, but how many people are actually involved in the creation of this society. Unfortunately there is no compatible outcome here; it is two extremes with some people in the middle fighting for this mythical equality.
Child abuse as we see it is a consequence of a much more diverse political atmosphere than we take into account. Because we don’t think like this we live in a vacuum of our own values, socialisation and experiences.
If you understand this you will look at social policy, law making, and behaviour in a totally different way.
Now there’s something for you to think about. Do I stay or do I go?
Bevan,
You ask, “Do I stay or do I go?”
I say go.
Comment by julie — Fri 21st April 2006 @ 11:50 pm
Julie, I don’t know you well enough to tell you what I think about your attitude.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sat 22nd April 2006 @ 12:25 am
Bevan. OK, point taken.
But I have to say that sometimes you write really interesting posts and sometimes they just seem way out there. However, the whole system is way out there.
I listened to a guy tonight tell me how his dad and mum argued through court for 13 years. Not about the house, not about the money but about the kids. He said they finished when he the youngest turned 18.
I think everyone agrees that the government has to change but alot of people don’t want to. Have you tried to get both parents to negotiate when one refuses. And that one is the male? Do you think we will stop the bullshit of parents fighting over the children if we have non-homosexual men running the country?
Comment by julie — Sat 22nd April 2006 @ 12:42 am
What I said, is that there are some people in NZ who think like this. (And they do, but that makes me way out there and not them, well there’s thinking outside the square for you) They not only think it, they want to live it, and they want you to live it too. What you just said is I can’t understand why these two people behave and think the way they do. That’s not the way I want them to live because I can see what it does to their children.
You ask – Do you think we will stop the bullshit of parents fighting over the children if we have non-homosexual men running the country?
About 500 BC an unknown scribe asked himself the same question. His conclusion was that the hearts of fathers should be with their children and the hearts of children with their fathers. Our social freedom is not a new concept or one that societies haven’t previously encountered. It is just one history is reliving.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sat 22nd April 2006 @ 8:06 am
Bevan,
Now I get a better understanding. I do hope we get to live in those days.
Comment by julie — Sat 22nd April 2006 @ 10:10 am
You’ll wish!
Comment by Peter — Sun 23rd April 2006 @ 10:18 pm
I’ll give Julie the benefit of the doubt here — I think she meant should would like to see children in the hearts of their fathers, but I will leave it to her to clarify the ambiguity.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Sun 23rd April 2006 @ 10:33 pm
Of course I do. Males have qualities women don’t have. Children need those qualities in their life.
In my life I have met so many young people suffering because they are fatherless. Gangs get so many young ones because they are looking for rolemodels and love. A judge once told a male that the gang was a better family than his own family. Many males find the gangs to be caring. The law is well aware of this.
So many young males and females are getting into the drug scene for the same reasons. They need their fathers. They suffer from abandonment issues and will carry this through their lives and into relationships. They are damaged before they even start. But you probably know all this.
I would of thought FC’s and society would be bending over backwards to help dads that want to be involved in their children’s lives. And that is what needs to happen.
Bevan, I know you don’t like the way things are in NZ and I know you are not the only one but I can’t help wondering if telling guys to leave the country is a good thing.
Comment by julie — Mon 24th April 2006 @ 9:22 am
Children rely on parents for sound advice, and if one of my sons was to ask, “should I have children”, my advice would be, at this point in time son, not in this country. As for your comments on gangs, I would suggest Julie, you just educated a few people.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Mon 24th April 2006 @ 10:13 am
julie has highlighted again that fathers are being forced to abandon their children by the system. thanks Julie
Comment by star — Mon 24th April 2006 @ 12:34 pm
Julie,
If my alienated son, or any other young NZ male were to ask if they should marry in NZ, exactly like Bevan I’d say definitely not.
Why enter an institution where the cards are so stacked against you from the start?
That’s just plain dumb!
What do you think we’ve got a men’s rights movement in NZ for?
Comment by Stephen — Mon 24th April 2006 @ 1:45 pm
Bevan and Stephen,
It is fine for males to move overseas but they will face a different issue and that is culture.
But please give me an idea of where you think they should go so that I can give it more thought.
Stephen when you say marry, do you also mean their children will be born and raised there and basically they will live there all their life.
Have you considered that your son will be a part of another family and that if they seperate he might have less power?
Comment by julie — Mon 24th April 2006 @ 10:51 pm
So Julie you tell me what the culture is in this country. I can tell you what our culture was when I was young. You got what you worked for, and as I was reminded by a friend the other day, we actually took pay cuts to leave school and start work. Even in our youth we had enterprise, desire, ambition. That world might still exist, but it is an ever decreasing circle in this country, and rising behind it is a culture of failure, dishonesty, selfishness and corruption. I can remember having a conversation with an older man 30 years ago, who told me this is where we would end up. It is as avoidable as it is inevitable, and if the majority want to vote for the inevitable, then there’s going to be a few people voting with their feet. I not a bloody lemming – I don’t have to jump off the cliff.
Comment by Bevan berg — Tue 25th April 2006 @ 12:49 am
Julie,
My Korean buddies tell me NZ’s a woman’s country these days. Several have visited and laugh themselves silly about what NZ men put up with (false allegations upheld with no corroboration, expections of doing 50% housework on top of more stressful higher paid work, treated as walking wallets, no fault divorce, lack of general respect for fathers in ‘courts’ and men in the general media).
I’m sure you can do your own homework about male friendly cultures. It’s not that I can’t tell you. I’m just tired of doing women’s mental graft right now. I work with western women and they’re like most western women I know – they seem to expect men to think things through for them ad infinitum, which is gratifying up to a point, until the realisation sinks in that I’m being used as a walking information bureaux, then it’s just simply an annoying pain in the proverbial.
I’ve taken to giving minimal answers or plain avoidance of certain predatory brain-pickers altogether. If they get pissy because thier eyebatting, girly wiggling and ‘niceness’ isn’t getting them my hard earned wisdom, not my problem.
I’m thoroughly sick of being treated as a success object.
My son is of an age whereby he is responsible for himself. I don’t see any issues about power in the event of his blended family busting up.
I remember you saying some weeks back you were going to approach Helen Clarke about NZ men’s plight.
Any move in that direction yet?
Comment by Stephen — Tue 25th April 2006 @ 3:39 am
Stephen,
Fair enough for saying I can find information out for myself because that is true. I can.
As for Helen Clarke; no I have not seen Helen, yet. If you can also remember, I continued on commenting asking what to say. This has led me to talk with 2 guys working on changing child support. We are meeting up real soon. Like this week. But it is still in the pipeline. At the moment I am persuing the ombudsman with my story that David sent to her.
I am also using the good old quality of gossip amongst women. I have discussed things in a quite a number of different circles and when men are present the conversations really heat up. I know it is working because I am getting feedback about what they learn. It is as if we didn’t see it but now that it has come to our attention, it is everywhere. (and it makes excellent gossip)
Not only that but women outside my circle are approaching me for answers on how to deal with seperation problems. They want what is best all round. It’s good but I have only started learning myself.
You know, I can think of number of males that are quite happy to sit back and allow women to do everything for them just as you know women who do that to you. It just makes the friendships you make with others who don’t do this all the more special.
Does all that keep me in the good books?
Comment by julie — Tue 25th April 2006 @ 7:47 am
Bevan,
I think there are better opportunities overseas for Kiwis and that sooner or later something has to give and that men have an absolute right to persue happiness as women do.
So I am not against males moving overseas and I may suggest it myself. What I think should be added is that dads remember children’s birthdays, Christmas and Easter so the children know they are loved.
Comment by julie — Tue 25th April 2006 @ 7:58 am
I’m lost here Julie, are you tyring to be a provocative little bitch, or are you just the sort of women men on this site have no respect for. Why don’t you get really sadistic and produce miniature graves that little children can pin on their chest on Anzac day instead of a poppy, in remembrance of the father they never knew.
Comment by Bevan Berg — Tue 25th April 2006 @ 10:19 am
Julie,you say –
“I am not against males moving overseas and I may suggest it myself. What I think should be added is that dads remember children’s birthdays, Christmas and Easter so the children know they are loved”.
Newsflash – despite the deadbeat dad stereotyping you may have been tempted to buy into, I’ve never forgotten my son’s birthday and Christmas. I’ve always sent cards and gifts neither of which have ever been acknowledged in the ten years or so of doing so. To infer otherwise and suggest I and many other men need reminding of thier kids at special times seems incredibly insensitive and condescending to me. Talk about rubbing salt in alienated father’s wounds! Ouch!
Also, you say –
“I can think of a number of males that are quite happy to sit back and allow women to do everything for them just as you know women who do that to you”.
Again you’re assuming allot there.
Fact is if you’d bothered to ask I could tell you I DON’T KNOW any women who’ll do everything for me!
If I ever met one who so much as tried I’d run away in self defense too!
Where you get such bizarre ideas about dads in general and me in particular, who you’ve never met in person is beyond me.
I get the impression you think guys who suss out what a raw deal they’re getting in NZ may bugger off overseas, get brides there and somehow become sluggards who are waited on hand and foot.
Comment by Stephen — Tue 25th April 2006 @ 12:40 pm
Bevan and Stephen.
I regret even touching the subject.
Comment by julie — Tue 25th April 2006 @ 1:17 pm
why say sorry to them julie show sum nuts. Who are they in this equation(bevie&stevie).
Comment by alfred c. — Wed 10th May 2006 @ 3:01 pm