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Children and Men’s Picnic

Filed under: General — MurrayBacon @ 8:05 am Wed 17th October 2007

Paul Catton’s has invited MRAs (Men’s Refuge Arrangers?) (Men’s Rights Activists?) (Men’s Rights Advocates) and any other types of MRA, their children, their fathers and mothers, to a sumptuous lunchtime barbecue, on Saturday of Labour Weekend, at Western Springs, beside the zoo.

Please give Paul (940-6236) or myself (638-7275 or 021-539-196) and let us know roughly the number of children you might be bringing – to help us provide the best competition prizes.

Nothing too serious – maybe a bit of discussion about protests for the next two months and a chance to sign Submissions to Law and Order Committee about the Family Court Matters Bill – don’t pay it I say!

Please wear clothing that can take a few spits of rain or waterpistol hits and that you won’t mind a few lion bites.

Hope to see you there,

Commissioner for IRD refuses to come out of the corner
As an aside, it appears Labour Weekend (tongue in cheek) will be the best opportunity to host the Third Anniversary of my being an MRA with an open invitation to a sumptuous feasting for all supportive of MRA who can manage attendance in Auckland.

The weather will direct confirmation of the selected venue (Western Springs and the Zoo) and the event happening.

This is being co-ordinated on the back of the East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families (09) 940 6236

Again this event will be fully catered so all you need to bring is yourself (and partner), your progeny, and your personal choice of imbibing fluid.

Any correspondence regarding the Anniversary Celebration should be directed off-line to [email protected] or phone the East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families 940 6236


  1. Great you are trying to do something. All the support that I can muster. Ignore the doomsayers,they are only jealous that they couldn’t do it first. Don’t forget the media (TV & Print) in your plans

    Comment by Alastair — Wed 17th October 2007 @ 9:08 am

  2. I’m in.

    Comment by julie — Wed 17th October 2007 @ 10:40 am

  3. A heartfelt thankyou goes out to Murray and the “North Shore Mens Centre” in a willingness to provide further support for this event.

    Menu for Saturday 20th October 2007

    Wine and mushroom pate with crackers.
    Assorted potato chips with accompanying dip.
    Assorted nuts and raisins.

    Main Course

    BBQ rump steak
    BBQ chicken sausage
    Curried lamb and rice
    Thai chicken drumsticks
    Fresh tossed salad
    Russian salad
    Potato salad
    Assorted bread and rolls.

    Fruit Salad
    Ice Cream
    Selected cheese platter

    This is the menu but is subject to further inclusion upon whim.
    Look forward to seeing many participants.

    Kindest Regards
    Paul Catton
    East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families (09) 940 6236

    Comment by Paul Catton — Wed 17th October 2007 @ 9:50 pm

  4. That is just too much to pass down. lol

    Comment by julie — Wed 17th October 2007 @ 10:15 pm

  5. Sadly, although I will be in Auckland this weekend but I’m attending a wedding on the Saturday. Good luck for the picnic!

    Comment by Hans Laven — Thu 18th October 2007 @ 6:56 pm

  6. I just want to say that this was a great day. 10/10 to the chef and the organisers.

    Comment by julie — Mon 22nd October 2007 @ 8:20 am

  7. The picnic was good fun, thank you Paul. The spread was simply fantastic and Paul had cooked amply for the 20 – 25 of us who turned up. Those who decided not to turn up, nor make any contact to say that Paul’s efforts were appreciated, obviously did so for their own reasons. Yet I linger to the question of whether or not his efforts should be appreciated, and if not why not. The answer for a stable society that is self building, and reformatively progressive against an environment about which that community would complain of oppression is demandingly obvious. Paul’s recognition of the problem is head and shoulders above those many others who say that want change. If you want change you have to make it and there is only one possible way to make change. However – demonstrably justifiable sour note aside – it was great fun and we had a good time. Murray encouraged fun and Julie ushered us over to a duckfeeding session. Dave’s boy mastered us all with hand dives and eel clutches as the large number of water worms enthralled the onlooking crowd.

    At some stage folks our community of disaffected parents is going to have to get stronger, otherwise evetually and possibly forever the sons and daughter of such families will get the upper hand by extracting their anger both on their parents as much as on society – whatever. It was good fun.

    I was pleased and again thankful for the support of Paul and Rob to get me up and some o the conversations I’ve been able to have have been very fruitful. Obviously I stayed with Paul C for two nights so over some wine and necessary dialogue we talked a bit about the refuge situation, a bit about the courts and a lot about the general conditions. We both agree to Paul’s point that the government would have been on a hiding to nothing if they had of targeted any of the fathers’ groups in the raids. It is not like the Court’s did not have justification where we had championed tiny riots outside the houses of lawyers’ judges and politicians over some period – and politically little outward that could be seen as a direct beneficial return for those fathers so disaffected can be seen to have been granted in our favour. So when going into the raids, we were still a smouldering ember lightly camoflauged against the brew of a lahar. Paul’s comments are succint. You can stamp on snails but you aren’t allowed to beat up on children.

    So the State wouldn’t have gone near us, even if they wanted too it was just too risky.

    As for the Refuge – well – I don’t know. In my mind there is just too much work to do and not enough individuals on the ground who would get out to tal with others about how better to protect others sufferring the same plight in their immediate communities. The refuge situation is in damage. Paul, again, is doing the work necessary while others sit around and watch, figuring out how they are happiest challenging the problem without in fact fairly determining what that problem may be. Meanwhile our numbers just keep on growing and naturally dissapearing as if whisps, unprotected because those who call themselves men’s activists are focused elsewhere – thinking about the granduer ond lure of politics – how fantastic it would be to have climbed the mountain of oppression and be the first to place that man’s flag on the modern day virtual peak of human challenge.

    The people I berate are not unreasonably in their condition, which as I temper I begin more to support. They have lives as is necessary. How can you make sacrifice against the loss of sacrifice if you can reach that sacrifice through that loss? If I’m read to be grumpy then this is why. The advocacy where that sacrifice is being made by people like Paul, me and those others more directly challenging the administrations that exploit families, deride its natural condition of male and female, as to protect the child born of such a union to that rightful as natural inheritance is really quite exhausting.

    Saying this, it was good to see Jim Bagnall turn out as usual and we were able to talk quickly about the constitution he is crafting. With the Republicans getting ready for the elections it will see some light but only the light their voting weight will put on the public. Clearly there is an intention to get organised. Hopefully that intention will be realised. I was also able to speak with Dave Llewell. Dave is standing in Helen Clark’s electorate. This gives him the primary platform to bring an effective campaign against the defathering of our society into the eyes of the public. That’s if Dave choses to go head to head with Helen Clark on these issues. Realistically I would think the Republican’s would be best positioned to centre all of their resources into this electorate, focusing on the following elections in order to get someone fromt he party platformed to election. Unless the world turns backwards between now and elections there is going to be no Republican Party in the House. If the world does turn backwards then we all die anyway, but if the wold’s political environment is turned backwards then it will only be because something as fundamental as the Republican Party challenging Helen Clark effectively and resoursedly in her electorate makes the news. The news would be about single women and homosexuals breeding out men: apparently legally but in truth, constitutionally corrupt. Ideally he too would go up to Te Tii Marae on October 28th (Independence Day) and listen to what the Confederation of Chiefs of Tribes could tell him. They would teach him tomes upon tomes of information that he has no idea could be real; because no one else it would seem, really wants to associate functionally with such truth.

    Julie I hope will be going to have a talk with Lynne Pillay soon enough about single parenting and the constitution of the family. That would be an interesting thing to hear back on. In all and regardless of me having a bit of another moan, the people who do things directly are working hard to do things directly and those challenges will eventually see the results that re necessary to disassemble a corruption that has already been proved to exist. So that’s good.

    Thanks Paul, fantastic feed!

    Benjamin Easton,
    (of a) fatherscoalition.

    Comment by Benjamin Easton — Mon 22nd October 2007 @ 8:38 am

  8. I am really sorry I was not there. For once I regret living in the wilderness of Wanganui.

    Congratulations Paul. Those that critisise either a) Did not attend or b) are Jealous.

    This is how the mens movement reclaims the Centre

    Comment by Alastair — Mon 22nd October 2007 @ 8:53 am

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