Funding and discrimination
I have been filling in funding applications tonight and discovered on the forms (different organisations) that you cannot ask for funding for males.
They ask you (if not exactly then similar wording)
Please select up to 3 sectors form the list below that you believe will most benefit from services your organisation will provide as a reuslt of the grant:
People with disabilities
Family/whanau
Unemployed
New migrant/refugeeFamily Violence Prevention
Women
This happens to ALL groups. If you work with addiction I guess you will go for disability and women and unemployed. If you are in Anger Management I guess you would do similar but also go for Family Violence Prevention.
And if you are us then you will go for WOMEN, family and refugees. But that doesn’t help what we want to do for fathers.
On other forms you have the extra choices of YOUTH and CHILDREN.
But none of the forms have the sector MALES. Which means if you are wanting to do something in the community for males over 17 you are out of luck.
That is definate discrimination.
Maybe a complaint to the human rights commission. The HR act says no one will be discriminated on the grounds of gender
Comment by Alastair — Sun 13th May 2007 @ 10:21 pm
For sure Alastair. I have in been in correspondence with them from the beginning of this year over this and other issues I have picked up from this site. The Chief Commissioner Rosslyn Noonan says;
She has given other avenues to persue also.
Comment by julie — Sun 13th May 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Julie – Alastair,
Julie, finally you beginning to see that which many of us have told you since the day you first began on MENZ
The Femi-Fascists will continue to WIN with their destructive ways because most that begin to listen are like you and there are few that go the distance as have you
What HR have said has been said to many of us many times – They to are Spining you alone as did the funders used to do
As for Alastair beginning the ball rolling again there is no excuse and shows how even the shown don;t learn
Onward in Coalition with others to Re-Build the
**Whole-NATURAL-Biological-FAMILY**
Jim
Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Mon 14th May 2007 @ 12:20 am
I note the comments by Noonan:
These comments are nothing more meaningless weasel words.
I am sure that any complaints against women/gays/lesbians/Maoris would not have to wait until “our 2007 – 08 strategic plan” to be dealt with.
Why not have some fun and make a complaint against the HRC to itself?
Comment by Darryl Ward — Mon 14th May 2007 @ 9:13 am
Jim – I’m not sure what you were trying to get across in your posting. To “Julie”, who very usefully brought to our attention the anti-male discrimination she discovered in making applications for funding, you seemed to take a patronizing approach saying “we told you so and you and everyone else should have listened before”. To Alastair you seemed to take an even more patronizing approach implying criticism of his input and that he hasn’t learned something. Is my interpretation of your posting correct? If not, then may I suggest a little morale building with some comments like “Well done Julie for drawing our attention to this example of discrimination and for your efforts with the HRC” and “Good suggestion Alastair”?
Comment by Hans Laven — Mon 14th May 2007 @ 10:05 am
I agree with Hans.
The HR Commission may have fobbed off in the past, but it’s not logical to assume that they can do so indefinitely.
They can be worn down like any other obstruction.
Comment by Rob Case — Mon 14th May 2007 @ 11:12 am
Yes Darryl, I think that is a great idea. And fun it can be.
Should it be to the UN?
Comment by julie — Mon 14th May 2007 @ 11:37 am
What ever happened to Equal Oppurtunities?.
Comment by Mike — Mon 14th May 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Hi Julie
I would suggest complaining to the HRC…. about the HRC.
http://www.hrc.co.nz
Kind regards
Darryl
Comment by Darryl Ward — Tue 15th May 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Darryl,
If I didn’t know you were a good man and respected, I would take your temperature.LOL
Comment by julie — Tue 15th May 2007 @ 10:02 pm
Now would be a good time to complain to the Un about it. They may just take notice after the case out last month with their findings of unfair treatment to a father going through the family court. I could do with a laugh this week so I might just write a wee complaint to the HRC about the HRC and see what I get..lol
Comment by wendy — Fri 18th May 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Which specific organisations are these Julie?
Comment by UF — Mon 21st May 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Hi UF,
One is NZ lotteries grant and the other is COGS (community organisation grants scheme)
http://www.cdgo.govt.nz or phone 0800 824-824
There are others, I am sure.
I also want to add that women’s groups are aware of the problem also. Infact they are wanting somewhere to refer males. re: Te Atua Women’s Centre
(09) 838 6381
[email protected]
I am disappointed that organisations who are well established won’t speak up about the problem. They say they don’t want to upset the Government. I have been asked not to get them involved.
Comment by julie — Mon 21st May 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Thankyou Julie
Comment by UF — Mon 21st May 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Julie is leading MEN up the garden path yet again
There are NO Male initiated groups getting funding from the lotto board and most certainly NON of the COGS outfits
There may be a few who have twisted their mission statements far from masculine to please the spoon but you will find they are not helping any males be Men.
BOTH are strictly controlled by Govt
I beg to be proved wrong
Onward – Jim
Comment by JimBWarrior - HandsOnEqualParent — Mon 21st May 2007 @ 4:32 pm
jim,
You haven’t read the post properly.
Here’s a reality check. I am not interested in people men or women following me. I am not leading. Sooner or later I am going to be too busy to get in your way. I already recieved an e-mail from a group wanting to give us money this morning and a group has offered to share their facility when they move to a bigger one. We are lucky to be in Waitakere because there is alot of support. More so than other areas. And besides I am not interested in politics. I do not have the knowledge you have. You and I are not in the same league. All I have to give to support is my one vote.
Comment by julie — Mon 21st May 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Jim,
BTW, the money wasn’t from Waitakere. From a national group.
Comment by julie — Mon 21st May 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Whatever happened to this issue.
Are males now included on these forms ? Did you indeed complain about HRC to the HRC ?
I did a search on the subject and funnily enough there was nothing about unaccompanied children and males on planes on HRCs website.
Also, if there is a ministry for women’s affairs, is it discriminatory as men don’t have the same ?
What about govt funding for women’s refuge and other groups ? I winder if it could be proven that the government policy is discriminatory ?
Comment by John — Tue 26th May 2009 @ 11:25 pm
John – Simple answer is yes – How to get it fixed, noticed etc.- I think most avenues have been tried – But alas the problem grows – Onward – Jim
Comment by Jim Bailey — Wed 27th May 2009 @ 1:13 am
You’ll always be small vulnerable beneficiaries who are beholden to the whims and dictates of someone else whilst you look to governmental dollars to fund your solutions.
Puppets on a string…..
Better to be independant and go for smaller givemint in the first place.
Get government out of our lives as much as possible! Grow up! Take responsibility for yourselves instead of being yet another socialist drone…….
Jeeze! When you add all the taxes you pay together (income tax, GST, local taxes, liquor taxes, petrol taxes etc etc Go on! Do it! get out a pencil and envelope or pocket calculator and total it up right now!) You’re working your ass off and the Gobmint tax you until about lunchtime until you start earning for ourselves…. and then you want to go begging to them
FOR MONEY THAT WAS YOURS IN THE FIRST PLACE to solve your problems!!!!!
Oh! No! No! No!
Look….it’s really not rocket science…. but it does require some courage and a change of mindset….after all if you always think and act the way you’ve been thinking and acting, well …………..you’ll always get the same results….right?
The government takes your money and keeps in place no fault divorce laws which leave you deserted by your wife and filched of money to pay for the kidnapping of your own kids through a secret organisation euphemistically called the ‘family court’. The government takes you taxmoney and uses it to suport initiatives for women and WAY WAY WAY more on female health.
The government turns a blind eye to female violence and gives women sentencing discounts compared to men when they are found guilty. The government actively demonises you by allowing dept of wimmins affairs hateful misandric propoganda to masquerade as ‘research’ and influence all manner of social policy – in favor of women at men’s expense…..and create a social environment where in any situation where it’s his word against hers…… the general populace have been brainwashed so thier kneejerk irratioanl reaction is to belive her and disbelieve him…
Government uses violence to extract child tax (euphemistically called ‘child support’) from good dads and propaganda to demonise those who can’t keep up the extortion payments as ‘deadbeat dads’.
Goverment turns a blind eye to males steadily receding from universities and burgeoning already full prisons.
As horrendous as that all sounds I’m sure this list isn’t exhaustive….
But hey, there are myriad simple solutions you can put in place and all adding up will empower yourselves guys…..
avoid paying tax as much as possible……. don’t get married in the first place…….avoid being with women who you even suspect will falsely accuse you of stuff in order to do you in….. carry a recording device you can discreetly turn on when alone in the prescence of any woman you don’t know as a safeguard against her falsely accusing you of something…train yourself to avoid getting pulled in by eye candy…….stop giving career advice to women who use eye candy with questioning to get your intellectual capital (valuable ideas)….find hobbies which fill the hole in your life left when you stop overworking to support the system…….research healthy diet, excercise and lifestyle so you don’t need government to ‘save’ you with expensive healthcare……and educate the males around you about these personal health and welfare strategies…..
the grass roots movement starts with YOU brothers!!!
I’m just scratching the surface here……others can add to these ideas and generate a useful pool of strategies guys can enact to avoid being sucked into the black hole that so many (mostly women) love – BIG government. Take your power back…….stop the endless bickering and one-upmanship and get on with it….
tick…tick…tick….
Comment by Skeptik — Wed 27th May 2009 @ 3:03 am
No-one wants to talk about it… other than us who are discriminated against.
Comment by Scott B — Wed 27th May 2009 @ 3:24 am
Oh, and about the Human Rights Commission in NZ ……
I know someone who wrote to them complaining about the book entitled “All men are bastards’ beigng placed in Whittcoulls on shelves right next to the children’s section at 8 year old eye level too!
The HRC wrote back saying that they couldn’t do anything about it.
Yeah right!!! Claptrap!
I’m sure if the book were entitled “All women are bitches” or “All Maori are stupid” they would have been out of the starting blocks in no time.
Misandric hypocrits and socialist feminist toadies.
Comment by Skeptik — Wed 27th May 2009 @ 11:36 am
It was 2 years ago I wrote this piece. Wow, a lot has happened since this. But I don’t regret anything. Not even repeating past men’s work.
Comment by julie — Wed 27th May 2009 @ 5:25 pm