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Multi Million Dollar Crackdown on Domestic Violence

Filed under: Domestic Violence,General — Scrap_The_CSA @ 10:21 pm Mon 28th May 2007

The Sunday Star Times carried an article on weekend entitled Crackdown on white collar family assualts.

The article announced that the the Government is planning a multi million dollar crackdown on Family violence. “..Including trying to combat the largely hidden problem of white collar domestic violence”

It goes on to talk about how Statistic New Zealand figures show arrests for reported domestic violence assaults by males on femaleshave increased dramatically in the last decade with abuse worsening in every ethic group.

Of course they include a neat little table in the article showing “The Numbers” .

Based on the numbers for the total of the charts Total domestic violence arrests by all enithicty categories is :


Thats a difference (in total) of 1656 arrests.

No effort is made to explain this increase, rather “Inspector Ged Byers , the police national family violence co-ordinator says there where 63000 domestic violence incidents last year, but experts believe the true figures are five times higher…..”

An incident is essentially a report of something to the police, a call. It tells us nothing of the actual occurrences of domestic violence. An incident is not an a crime – it cant become that until a charge is laid and the court process produces a guilty verdict. In fact it is likely that incidents are reported against multiple categories (sub catergories) The figure oft quoted is imeaninglessin providing a true picture of the extent of domestic violence in New Zealand.

As to the five time higher “expert claim” that is also a meaningless statement. No figures exist to support the claim. Its a myth nothing more as the figures do not support it.

Mr Byers should note the words of Lord Kelvin : ” I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of Science, whatever the matter may be.”

Also Mr Byers might like to fess up about the data problems being experienced by the Police as a result of the transition to a new computer system.

To quote

Changes made to police computer systems, during 2005/2006, have influenced the way in which crimes are recorded and counted. In particular, the migration from the Law Enforcement System2 (LES) to a new National Intelligence Application (NIA) appears to have influenced the recording and counting of crime since July 2005.

It is of note that there do not seem to be any nationally consistent practices governing
the recording of multiple offence statistics, which may have aggravated the impact of the computer system migration on crime statistics.

There appears to be a higher propensity to record offence statistics in the NIA system than there was in the LES system. This represents a change in statistics recording practice, not an increase in the level of criminal offending.

Enhancements integral to the NIA application architecture (e.g. wizard entry) and processes by which the organisation has adjusted to the NIA environment (training, data entry processes, file auditing and supervision) appear to have influenced the statistics capture.

The veracity of reporting figures is at the least questionable.But oh sorry that doesn’t fit the agenda does it Mr Byers.

Then we find out that in July a Waikato academic , one Neville Robertson is delivering a report to the Womens affair minister “with more than 50 recommendations aimed at making protection orders more effective”.

“His report is based on interviews with 43 women around the country who have taken out protection orders”

Once again I must question how this qualitative report can have any value. Figures from the Family Court website show about 24000 Final Orders made since 1998. So Nev has actually interviewed about 0.179% of the possible population of those who had a final order made. Based on this laughable sample size he is going to propose 50 changes to a significant piece of legislation.

The solution from Nev is ” New Zealand could learn from San Diego in the US , where they have a one stop shop for victims – somewhere women can get a protection order, emergency housing, police and other help, he said….. Robertson says some kiwis wrongly believe that any dad is better than no dad.”

I feel sad for kiwi kids, witch-doctors like Nev would have them de-fathered at any cost, as men are the cause of all domestic violence.

I suggest that real science shows a different picture then Nev suggests :

This research used a sample of 360 couples from the Dunedin Longitudinal Study to analyse aspects of intimate partner abuse. The researchers found that both males and females were perpetrators of abuse. The personal characteristics of both the male and female in the couple were found to increase the likelihood of partner abuse. The findings suggest that domestic violence interventions aimed solely at treating the male as the perpetrator may not succeed in reducing the incidence of abuse. Therefore, intimate partner abuse prevention programmes should target males and females as both perpetrators and victims of abuse.

Its official witch – doctoring and spin doctoring are the basis of policy making on domestic violence. Its easier to make money out of misery than to seek to remove the causes. I wonder how much Mr Byers and Nev make each year out of the domestic violence industry?




  1. Hospitals are doing an assessment of ALL women to attempt to uncover domestic violence. Neville Roberts is a Well known sychophant for refuge. His clinical practice leaves much to be desired

    Comment by Alastair — Mon 28th May 2007 @ 10:40 pm

  2. Yes scrap,
    Our Neville makes a tidy pile of dough signing off on feminazzi BS. I should know. I was part of a men’s group in Hamilton with him, until I got my head sorted out that is.

    Comment by Stephen — Mon 28th May 2007 @ 11:43 pm

  3. Anything goes so long as the DV industry can be kept alive!

    Comment by Harry Stanton — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 3:23 am

  4. Some years ago I attended a Domestic Violence seminar at Waikato University organised by Dr Neville Robertson. At that stage I was still taken in by the DV and Refuge industry spin. The seminar was presented by an American researcher. His research study was deeply flawed methodologically and simply was not capable of generating the male-demonizing conclusions that were nevertheless merrily drawn. At a tea break I mentioned to Dr Robertson my concerns about several threats to the scientific validity of the research (which was presented as scientific with graphs, numbers etc). The good Dr R became instantly curt, angry and rude towards me for daring to question his sacred DV cow. He was unable to discuss sensibly my concerns and said that the quality of the research didn’t matter because the DV issue was so important. There’s logic for you. My status relative to his was low and I felt thoroughly beaten up by Dr R’s treatment of me. Ironically, if a man ever dismissed his wife’s opinions in the aggressive way he dismissed mine, he would call it emotional violence. It all points to his concern being in maintaining his famous feminist-feet-licking career rather than having any real grasp of the issues, much less any concern to uncover truth. His current piece of “qualitative research” shows little has changed in his morals since then. By the way, “qualitative research” – as opposed to quantitative – is an approach pioneered and admired by feminists because it stops empirical science and robust methodology from interefering in the generation of their own politically-preferred results. No interest is shown in statistical strength, validity or reliability of data or in controlling for alternative causal factors. It has a place in early exploration of an issue, identification of questions etc but it is usually misused and misrepresented as scientific evidence for some biased belief or another, as Dr R is currently doing.

    Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 10:42 am

  5. I would note also:
    – police records of DV “incidents” will be further compromized by their management of those incidents given their policy and/or tradition of usually ignoring violence done by women or blaming it on the man;
    – Why has Dr Robertson not interviewed a single male respondent of protection orders? On what basis does he think that his 50 recommendations based purely on women’s selfish interests have any chance of being effective when he hasn’t even checked out the experience and opinions of the men who will be affected – and no doubt subjected to even more state violence, injustice and feminist indoctrination than already happens?
    – Can we get a copy of his 50 recommendations or is that a closed shop, even though we as taxpayers paid fully for his time in producing them?

    Comment by Hans Laven — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 10:56 am

  6. I have endured over 150 DV hearings in less than six years and I am innocent of any crime, as I was just a normal loving dad to four children . My children loved me and I have never hit a women, but nowdays I look forward the the grave as it is impossible to clear my name in such a feminazi -corrupt cess -pit country !!!

    Comment by dad4justice — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 11:16 am

  7. HandsOnEqualParenting as foundation in ALL Law and Social Policy is the NATURAL way to reduce, Violence, Crime, Abortion,and Prison numbers

    Onward – Jim

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 2:52 pm

  8. What a load of rubbish.
    To DR Neville Roberts;
    My X called the police “claiming” DV but admitted to the police when they arrived that her “claim” was false. But hey Dr Eville Roberts, as you will know, police records don’t show this “incident” as a vendictive false accusation by a mother in the process of abducting a child from the family home. No…..instead police records show this as a “DV Incident”, which is totally wrong but supports your flawed and grossly misrepresentative anti-father research.
    Also, even though the mother admitted to the police that her “claim” was false, the police didn’t arrest her or even grill her for making a false report or wasting police time…………no, Dr Eville Roberts, instead the police escorted the “false claimant” to a Woman’s Refuge. Refuge from what Dr Eville Roberts?
    The Woman’s Refuge then includes the “false claimant’s” all expenses paid stay at the refuge in thier own “DV incident” statistics, which again is totally wrong, but supports the Woman’s Refuge’s call for more funding and your flawed and grossly misrepresentative anti-father research.
    Did you have a problem with your father when you were young Dr Eville Roberts?
    Q; Why is it that the Government continues to ignore 94 (plus) reports on DV which show that the perpetrators of DV are equally male and female, but takes seriously the flawed and grossly misrepresentative anti-father research of tossers like Dr Eville Roberts?
    A; because it fits the AGENDA of our man-hating feminist Slime Minister….Hell’n Clark.

    Comment by shadowdad — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 5:53 pm

  9. Publicly available on the Waikato Uni Website – Contact details for Nev.

    Witch-Doctor Neville R Robertson
    Role: Senior Lecturer
    Qualifications: BA Cant, MSocSc, DipPsych(Com), PhD Waikato
    Email: [email protected]
    Location: K1.17
    Contact: 8300

    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 6:45 pm

  10. References Examining Assaults by Women on their Spouses or Male Partners: an Annotated Bibliography
    Copyright, 2001. Martin S. Fiebert, Department of Psychology
    California State University, Long Beach


    Comment by Scrap_The_CSA — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 7:01 pm

  11. Excellent work Scrap.
    Have you invited Dr Robertson to respond on this forum?
    If you haven’t, would you mind if I did?

    Comment by Rob Case — Tue 29th May 2007 @ 8:44 pm

  12. I have emailed Dr Robertson and asked him to share his views with us. I await his response with interest.

    Comment by Rob Case — Wed 30th May 2007 @ 3:28 pm

  13. Rob-C,

    Have a look at these conversations with Robertson before you engage to deeply – He is clearver, highly intellegent and fully Femi-Fascist – Poor Man

    Read the oldest numbers in the margin first – Onward – Jim

    7760 NZ – Thank you Linda
    … I can’t ask them doctor = law says no !!!!!! // Research – “Women’s Experiences of Protection Orders” Thanks to, Neville Robertson – NZ – Hamilton – Maori & Psychology Research Unit, University of Waikato Sorry Neville – We were in Hamilton for … Jim Bailey
    Jul 15, 2006
    12:11 pm

    7745 RE: NZ – I can’t ask them doctor = law says no !!!!!! // Research – “Women’s Experiences of Protection Orders”
    … I can’t ask them doctor = law says no !!!!!! // Research – “Women’s Experiences of Protection Orders” Thanks to, Neville Robertson – NZ – Hamilton – Maori & Psychology Research Unit, University of Waikato Sorry Neville – We were in Hamilton for … Jim Bailey
    Jul 13, 2006
    2:42 pm

    7672 NZ – I can’t ask them doctor = law says no !!!!!! // Research – “Women’s Experiences of Protection Orders”
    Thanks to, Neville Robertson – NZ – Hamilton – Maori & Psychology Research Unit, University … to have an off-the-record discussion. Best wishes Neville – – Neville Robertson, Department of Psychology, University of Waikato _ From: Jim Bailey … Neville Robertson – N…
    Jul 4, 2006
    2:56 am

    7594 RE: NZ – Thank you Neville
    … 2006 1:46 p.m. To: ‘Jim Bailey’; ‘Peter Burns’; ‘Neville Robertson’; [email protected]; why-300000-plusnzkidswithoutdadtonight … 2006 9:09 PM To: ‘Jeremy Swanson’; ‘Peter Burns’; ‘Neville Robertson’; [email protected]; why-300000-plusnzkidswithoutdadtonight … Jim Bailey
    Jun 12, 2006
    3:20 pm

    7591 RE: NZ – Thank you Neville
    … 2006 11:51 a.m. To: ‘Jim Bailey’; ‘Peter Burns’; ‘Neville Robertson’; [email protected]; why-300000-plusnzkidswithoutdadtonight … around 1130 it should be good. Onward – Jim _ From: Neville Robertson [mailto:[email protected] ] Sent: Friday, 9 June 2006 4 … Jim Bailey
    Jun 12, 2006
    1:13 pm

    7589 NZ – Thank you Neville
    [email protected] ] Sent: Monday, 12 June 2006 8:58 a.m. To: Neville Robertson; [email protected]; why-300000-plusnzkidswithoutdadtonight … hey that’s not fair.” Kind regards Peter Burns Neville Robertson

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Wed 30th May 2007 @ 4:44 pm

  14. WOOPS sorry I thought the links would work

    Go into the E-Group and put Neville Robertson in the search engine

    Onward – Jim

    Comment by Jim Bailey — Wed 30th May 2007 @ 4:46 pm

  15. Neville Robertson is a liarbore lickspittle , just like Russell Brown from public address blog ( Paris Hilton blog of internet ) , who have been with the Families Commission for the last couple of weeks , making lots of money . The head researcher for the Commission is a feminazi bitch who hates men !! Give up on these scum, as they will just stab you in the back . What a sick bunch of filth these creeps are .

    Comment by dad4justice — Wed 30th May 2007 @ 5:28 pm

  16. Thanks for the links Jim, I read them with close interest. I found his emotional reactions curious.

    I hope he does respond to this discussion all the same.

    I want to know that he is reasoning, what his reasoning is, and that he is not afraid to state it.

    Comment by Rob Case — Wed 30th May 2007 @ 6:19 pm

  17. Interesting article over at Glenn Sacks detailing progress our American brothers are making in dealing with the anti-male approach to domestic violence in legislation.

    Just as a personal aside, there’s a reference to Erin Prizzey, the founder of women’s refuges in the UK. I lived in London in the early ’80s when she opened her refuge over the road from my home in Chiswick. As you would expect, there was often a lot of drama at the doors of this place. One incident that stands out was one evening some guy, filled to the gills, was calling out to his wife or girl-friend, who must have taken shelter there. All the women were pelting him with whatever they could get their hands on from the first floor windows, and cursing the bejesus out of him. The police arrived several minutes later. The drunk guy scarpered, police took after him and tackled him on the pavement. Then the girlfriend ran out of the shelter and started belting the police with her shoes for rough-housing her man! Who’d be a cop!

    Comment by Rob Case — Wed 30th May 2007 @ 9:36 pm

  18. Wow Rob!,
    That’s a shocker.

    Comment by Mike — Sat 2nd June 2007 @ 9:50 am

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