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Parents for Children withdraws from Child Support Advocacy

Filed under: Child Support — Scrap_The_CSA @ 1:49 pm Tue 16th January 2007

Parents for Children today announced that it will no longer be conducting advocacy work for parents facing child support issues but will commit its full organisational focus to law change.
“It is clear that the real need is for legislation that enshrines equal parental rights and responsibilities into New Zealand law not an ambulance service at the bottom of the cliff. From a strategic viewpoint advocacy, while alleviating individual issues, does not remove the root cause of the problems with the current matrix of Family Law and does little to progress real change.” Responded Mark Shipman when asked why advocacy services were being withdrawn.
“We are advising all those who have issues with Child Support to take the issue to their Member of Parliament. This is part of an overall strategy designed to force Politicians to make real reform. This strategy will be outlined in detail at the National Child Support Reform Conference in Wellington this month. ” Commented Mark when asked what avenue was open to aggrieved parents.

In the past 2 years Parents for Children have received over 1000 requests for assistance with Child Support Issues.



  1. Wow!

    1,000 is a big number. What happens to the next 1,000 ambulance cases?

    Comment by Ethos — Tue 16th January 2007 @ 2:00 pm

  2. Yes. this is a good move. Please adjust this post so that it comes under general also.

    Anyhow, I am so pleased. You and Mark are leaders and you should not be serving people the way you do. This whole victim attitude has got to stop.

    I think we need to stop having sympathy for people and just have empathy. You know, “yes, I hear your story but you can change it…here’s how…..” JohnP needs to have pages where we can write the ‘How to’ We really need to network. The women’s movement is pathetic. Let’s not make the men’s movement the same. Although $1,000 a day for speaking to a crowd is tempting … nuh… let’s care for the tax-payer.

    Comment by julie — Tue 16th January 2007 @ 7:32 pm

  3. Oh, sorry about leaving out that when we have empathy we should also say that we have been there and done that.

    Comment by julie — Tue 16th January 2007 @ 7:35 pm

  4. This is a good move. The right for elected politicians to make the rules must be enforced and taken out of the hands of the witchdoctors. Outcomes for families (and everything else) are currently decided by the lawyers and lawyer-judges. Can you imagine a game of football in which the rules have been set by of the football association. During play, the rules are then interpreted by the referees who are also free to ignore the rules and to make new ones of their own. The referees are also free to choose from rules made by football association’s in other countries. Wouldn’t you wonder who is really running the game?

    Comment by eye of the tiger — Wed 17th January 2007 @ 8:53 am

  5. Eye of the Tiger,

    A good point and your analogy is very reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the late 1930s under the rule of Hitler and the gang of Nasty Nazis: compare this picture with our beloved Aunty Helen and her queer gang of hangers-on.

    While the Gestapo and the SS worked “for Hitler”, they quite often made up the rules as they went along. The outcomes were very bad for adults and children alike.

    But, still I have to ask again: What will happen to the next 1,000 ambulance cases?

    Are they simply to be cast to the Lions (aka IRD) as the Christians were in Roman times?

    Comment by Ethos — Wed 17th January 2007 @ 5:16 pm

  6. Ethos,

    You ask,

    But, still I have to ask again: What will happen to the next 1,000 ambulance cases?

    Are they simply to be cast to the Lions (aka IRD) as the Christians were in Roman times?

    I don’t know if Scrap is busy as he always answers people but I am going to put my opinion in. Scrap and Mark help both men and women and have always cared and still do. They, like many men’s group individuals have spent lots and lots of personal money and time to serve the community and the community is greatful but only takes. These guys like others are extremely smart and have what it takes to change things so that they will help 100, 000 men and women. No, many more than that even.

    The one’s coming up that need help have to learn what to do themselves. When JohnP is back, maybe, hopefully, he can make some pages available to show people “How to do it for themselves.”

    In the meantime, if you are an accountant or you want to do things for people, groups like mine can refer clients to you.

    Comment by julie — Wed 17th January 2007 @ 8:29 pm

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