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How outdated is feminist programs?

Filed under: Domestic Violence,General — Julie @ 2:28 pm Sun 15th March 2009

It is really sad how programs work. This is not a perfect description but it isn’t far off.

Someone came up with a theory and this theory extended to other theories. (All students are learning these theories). Then and now research is done by hypothesis to measure these theories. Sociology does this and so does scientific study when it is combined with sociology. After all, the 2 are so different but both need to exist at the same time.

Anyhow, some one funds this theory and it’s hypothesis research and people lobby to get it released and implemented. All the way through it’s process someone is funding all actions.

When it comes to domestic violence women’s studies dominate research. Even if you have men’s research it is made around women’s studies known today as gender studies.

Anyhoo, back to the programs.

The government pays for the research and it pays for the work put into lobby and for the implementation. It also pays the Family Court, judges salaries and lawyers fees (often). Not too long ago the FC was given $60 million to implement domestic violence and family violence programs as well as women’s and children’s rights.

All of this is based remember on women’s studies.

So we find that anyone who wants to hold women and children accountable are not only starved of financial support but bullied because you can’t take on the state when it has endless resources (taxes) and with sooo many, many people relying on this for a job.

Or can you? What does take on the state and these biased theories? Could the answer be reality?

The reality is that we have generations of families involved in the social experiments from the hippy days and the 2nd wave feminism.

*This is another thing that is incorrect for there was never a first wave feminism. Not in NZ! And not anywhere else in the world. Around the world the vote was sought after from men and women and all men and women involved were suffragettes for the vote. In NZ women asked for the vote and they were given it. Simple as that. Women received the vote 3 years after the men and we were the first in the world to do it. (full vote that is; since women in certain classes had the vote elsewhere)

Suffragettes worked harder for the women’s vote in America because American women didn’t want it. If women had wanted it they would have received it around the same time men did also.*

Continuing on with reality………

Today groups are shocked at how teenagers are numb to violence especially domestic violence. Teens have lived through it and seen it with their own eyes. They are aware mothers are more violent to children than biological fathers and they have watched both their parents fight in Family Courts over custody as well as money issues and power issues.

I chuckle sometimes when I hear hardcore feminists say these days that some women and children are deserving of being hit. You can’t ignore real life experiences.

But don’t take my word for it. Let’s look to Hollywood. The role model of today.

Here’s a conversation starter: Nearly half of the 200 Boston teenagers interviewed for an informal poll said pop star Rihanna was responsible for the beating she allegedly took at the hands of her boyfriend, fellow music star Chris Brown, in February.

Of those questioned, ages 12 to 19, 71 percent said that arguing was a normal part of a relationship; 44 percent said fighting was a routine occurrence.

The results of the survey, conducted by the Boston Public Health Commission across the city and equally among boys and girls, are startling for local health workers who see a generation of youths who seem to have grown accustomed, even insensitive, to domestic violence.

“I think you’d have to be pretty jaded if you weren’t startled by it,” said Casey Corcoran, director of the health commission’s new Start Strong program.

Read the rest of the article here

Just to bring others up to date with this, Chris Brown and Rihanna are both super star singers. Chris Brown was arrested for assaulting Rihanna whose picture ended up on the internet showing a beating.

Their Feb. 8 fight broke out after Rihanna read a three-page text message on Brown’s phone from a woman, according to a search warrant and affidavit obtained by ABC News.

Read the detailed alleged assault here.

Pretty gruesome stuff to see Rihanna’s supposed picture after the alleged assault here.

The drama continued after the arrest because Rihanna didn’t want Chris to stay away from her as part of the protection order. And the next thing to come was Oprah with a TV show on domestic abuse where she pleaded with Rihanna to stay away from Chris.

I guess about now the truth has to come out somewhere.

Pop on the Pop previously reported that Rihanna is the one who allegedly initiates the physical violence in her relationship with Chris Brown. As my friend who has worked for two major record labels and currently works for a smaller label said, Rihanna was probably beating on Chris before he began to strike her back. That’s allegedly exactly what had happened!!!!

Welford Hart, who lives with Chris Brown’s mother, told the New York Post that Rihanna took off her stilettos and began beating him in the head while he was driving. These two are both great catches!

“When you take off your shoes and beat someone with high heels, that’s going to hurt. He reacted and tried to get her to stop hitting him, but she kept screaming.”

TMZ confirms what we already hinted at. Here’s an excerpt .

Rihanna was the first one to strike – slapping and striking Brown “numerous times” while he was driving, after seeing the text message from another woman. And Rihanna was fighting Brown as he punched and hurt her. We’re told much of this is reflected in the official police report based on what Rihanna told cops.

And they wonder why the youth are turning away from what they are being force fed. This is the third wave of feminists trying to make their programs, lobbying and advertisements work.

One of the problems I think exists is that program makers live in a bubble. Not only are they continually dealing with one sided bias, hatred of masculinity and sheltered with research that doesn’t even hit the real people’s reality but they are unable to understand that people turned off a long time ago. Most people are just waiting for something better to gain power.

32 Responses to “How outdated is feminist programs?”

  1. Vince says:

    Julie really thinks deep

  2. Vince says:

    then maybe not

  3. Dave says:

    New Zealand is extremely backward in terms of social development. Most people would think of NZ as “progressive”. However the reality is quite the opposite. Social programmes and lobby groups and researchers are almost all way out of date with reality. They seek to solve the supposed inequalities of the 1960s not today’s inequalities.

    Take education for example. It is not entirely a secrete that boys are falling well behind girls in education. However the extent of the problem and the consequences are not acknowledged. In addition nothing is done to address this issue — quite the opposite.

    Take AUT university for example. It presents itself as being relatively new and in touch with today’s issues. It has more than 60% female students. If it weren’t for the high number of foreign students the number of males would be significantly less. However there are numerous scholarships and programmes for female only students yet nothing for males only. Even the student union has a role of women’s representative tasked with creating special programmes for females only students. Of course no such support for male students is even discussed. They still teach feminist studies even though the evidence is all around them that the reality is the opposite to what they are studying.

    This is but one university and universities are but one small example of the tone of social backwardness of NZ society and thinking. I see little evidence that NZ is even aware of the social problems it faces let alone a willingness to address them.

  4. Dave says:

    The feminist paradigm assumes that there is a power and control situation in which males hold the power and females are victims. This is the world view of the feminist. It means that any feminist research or similar takes this situation as a given truth. This is the context that everything is seen in by the feminist. There is no thought given to the justification or reality of this paradigm. It is simply assumed to be true.

    In NZ the reality is for the most part quite the opposite or at the very least a two way street. Although the government has changed the social laws and bureaucrats installed by the previous government remain. Thus there has not been a real power change. Make no mistake feminists still rule NZ.

  5. dad4justice says:

    The feminists have ruined this country and National like
    Labour are corrupt scum that need to be taught a lesson
    in manners!!I hate this corrupt country.

  6. OnceInALifeTime says:

    do you really think it is any better in any other industrial country, it is an internatioal setup to screw men , it is all about government income not justice

  7. allan Harvey says:

    What use is Hate? The door to the waiting room of the rest of the world exists at each international airport.

  8. Skeptik says:

    @5
    Allan,
    I’ve known decent hardworking men in NZ reduced by feminists and their chivalric political sympathizers to sleeping in cars and garages.
    Those men couldn’t afford a bus ticket to the next major city let alone an international flight to escape NZ.

  9. Vince says:

    Dave said: “The feminist paradigm assumes that there is a power and control situation in which males hold the power and females are victims. ”

    I couldn’t agree more, this is an ‘assumed paradigm’ and it is simply wrong. Female humans always hold huge power over their families, including their husbands. They control the entire nurturing process from beginning to end. The female power center is based in the kitchen and the bedroom and it makes no odds as to how much housework, cooking etc that men do, the house remains the domain of power and control of the female.

    Men, on the other hand, used to have a domain where they had some power and control. Business, bread winning, politics, farming etc. But these days those too are dominated by females, or by men who are controlled by females.

    Weird to consider..but evidentially true.

  10. Rob Case says:

    Commerce too is dominated by women. Count the shops in any high street that are devoted to women’s tastes and compare them to shops for men. Real estate and car yards are no better. Ask any salesman in either industry who makes the decisions, and they’ll all say it’s the women – indeed, they are trained to pay special attention to the women.

    The idea that men have power over women is a tired-out lie, and the only reason men still subscribe to it is because they have been subjected to a lifetime of emotional intimidation that jumps on them as soon as they show any kind of dissent.

  11. Scott says:

    I agree Rob.

  12. Vince says:

    Emotional intimidation is a form of violence imo, and the scars are there to prove it. In fact more like festering open wounds than scars.

  13. Skeptik says:

    249 reasons to disbelieve feminist claims that men dominate domestic violence crimes.

    One big reason to be wary of Obama

  14. Jacob says:

    having been ordered to attend a one on one program at friendship house in auckland
    i rang and asked if it was possible to have a white person as im a white born nzer
    and would find it easier to relate to someone better from my culture
    as i said i dont think i can relate to a blackie as each culture is diffrent
    and i cant see myself being able to relate to someone of a different culture.

    The program providers threatened to send me back to court because they are now worried
    about my views on people with dark skin…

    Its not the skin color that concerns me its more the culture difference

    why is it there seems to be programs geared for darker skined people and not that
    of white nz decent ?????????

    Is it fear that i was threatened with more or less being breached by friendship house
    just because my views are different to theres ??????

  15. jacob says:

    Oh and they couldnt offer me a person of white nz decent
    they offered me a white south African which was totally pointless
    as all we have in common is the color of our skin and they are
    from a totally different culture then me as that of say i islander

  16. Paul Catton says:

    Dear Jacob,

    Is this Friendship House located in Manukau?

    Kind Regards

    Paul Catton
    East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
    (09) 271 3236

  17. jacob says:

    Yes it is Paul.
    I spoke to the manger about this yesterday..
    among other concerns in relation to attending there dv program..
    Bugged me she said my file sounded pretty bad from reading it..
    I was quick to point out it was full of lies and explained why i did not
    defend it…
    As I thought guilty or not anyone reading the half truths in my ex partners
    affidavit will judge me guilty which i do not see myself as guilty..
    its a complicated situation and i just want it over its dragged on for almost a year now

  18. Paul Catton says:

    Dear Jacob,

    I propose that you take yourself “off line” so to speak.
    Perhaps if you give me your contact details at paulcat@xtra.co.nz or give me a call.

    Kindest Regards

    Paul Catton
    East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
    (09) 271 3020

  19. Hans Laven says:

    Jacob (reply#14): You have probably not been found guilty. That can only be done through a proper trial that finds you so beyond reasonable doubt on the basis of evidence. While even the justice in that Court system has been seriously eroded through male-bashing activism, it is many times more sound than anything resembling justice in those Courts that, on the basis of (usually) uncorroborated and (almost always) untested allegations, force men under threat of imprisonment to weekly periodic detention at indoctrination centres. That is not to imply in any way that I’m trying to discourage you from complying; it’s the law and you have to do it unless you’re prepared to be imprisoned.

  20. Hans Laven says:

    I’m still running a competition: = Guess where my current picture is from and/or what it shows =
    I don’t have a prize but maybe I’ll think of one.

  21. Paul Catton says:

    Dear Hans,
    Friendship House (South Auckland) is the equivalent to Man Alive (West Auckland)in being the providers for running Anger Management Courses referred to it by Family Court Orders stemming from Protection Orders.

    Jacob has been found guilty by the “no standard” of the Family Court thus he must attend.
    If he doesn’t, effectively he breaches.

    I was quick to point out it was full of lies and explained why i did not
    defend it…

    This would be a similar to many and akin to my own “initial perspective” from my case file thus after Application, an Order to be “Suppressed for Publication by Donovan DCJ”.
    Happily now, I was eventually vindicated and enjoy my current position, but wish not for any person to endure what transpired.

    I remain as always in Kindest Regards,

    Paul Catton
    East Aukland Refuge for Men and Families
    (09) 271 3020

  22. jacob says:

    It was pointed out to me by a family member reading my posts i may come across
    as racist My son that is in my sole custody is a blackie I certainly do not hate
    dark skinned people to do so would mean I hated my own child. I use the word blackie
    because of the shock factor and Im into dark humour.. lol and for that reason only
    if anyone has a problem with that then it is there problem and not mine

    Cheers New zealands latest Labeled women abuser

  23. Paul Catton says:

    Dear Hans,

    Off Topic but playing silly game.
    Based upon photograpic evidence, thus evinced and certified.
    You were the implant for Phil Goffs “Rhubarb” at Sylvia Park between Richard Worth and Neelam Choudary.

    Kindest Regards
    Paul Catton

  24. Paul Catton says:

    Dear Jacob,

    I propose that you take yourself “off line” so to speak.
    Perhaps if you give me your contact details at paulcat@xtra.co.nz or give me a call.

    Kindest Regards

    Paul Catton
    East Auckland Refuge for Men and Families
    (09) 271 3020

  25. Dave says:

    This does raise an interesting point. If someone with a trace a Maori blood can demand a culturally sensitive treatment then why not middle class white NZ born and breed males?
    It’s almost off topic but it may be a mischievous way to under-mine these compulsory, feminist indoctrination re-education courses.
    Perhaps I should voluntarily attend one of these courses and just do all I can to highlight it’s absurdity.
    I mean most of the guys on these courses haven’t done anything violent at all. They are simply forced to go on these courses if they want to keep having a loving relationship with their children against the wishes of a spiteful woman.

  26. Dave says:

    Hey check out Skeptic’s link above. It is a gold mine on this issue!!!!
    Here it is again: http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

    “SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 249 scholarly investigations: 194 empirical studies and 55 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 241,700.”

    Yes you read that correctly: across quarter of a million people surveyed in 498 published studies women are at least and usually more violent in relationships than men.

  27. barry says:

    why cant these courses be delivered by via internet and or corespondents courses
    its workable if its been ordered for one on one…
    the only answer i can come up to as to why not is to purely Shame the aledged
    offender

  28. Terry says:

    This is from the news paper about friendship house

    “Director Vicki Sykes says the agency’s ethos is that no one is turned away.

    “I could say we didn’t have any funding for him, but what if he goes home and kills his partner?” she said.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/domestic-violence/news/article.cfm?c_id=178&objectid=10407946

    as i thought everyones seen as guilty .. well miss vicki what if this guys
    ex lied to the courts to take out the order in the first place

  29. jacob says:

    what really shocks me about my ex partners affidavit is she goes on to say
    she thinks ive had past convictions for assault and trespass
    That statement alone is wrong I have no such convictions
    and any judge if they bothered to check my
    record would have seen that i have no such convictions really bugs me i tell ya
    but ive had enough i dont have the energy to fight it no more
    its doing my head in and affecting my health..
    At this stage im about ready to admit to anything just to have this rubbish over
    and done with so i can move on with my life…
    Any unsolved murders out there the system has broken me down enough by there
    hounding and threats of jail that i may as well admit to all and any unsolved murders
    or other crimes while they have me in a weakened state… doesnt matter that
    im not guilty its about winning and the system has to be seen to break men
    and Win at all costs..

    David bain is a prime example of our justice systems seek and destroy missions

  30. Scott B says:

    Admit nothing! Seriously admit nothing. If anything just walk away. Women can get away with doing and saying anything. It’s better to fight the system than the women. The law won’t allow you to win.

  31. Hans Laven says:

    Dear Paul

    I don’t understand your comment at all; I guess I’m a bit dull. Could you explain?

    Cheers, Hans

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