I wrote a post about the UK men’s movement and how men (mostly young men) are speaking up and starting to ask for rights. Men never had any rights. They were also oppressed in society as women were and the gender roles did them no more favours than it did women.

They are not asking for the world or for women to be discriminated against but instead are asking for equality. Something that feminism is based on.
This is in reply to one of the comments. I thought it more appropriate to make it a thread of it’s own rather than turn the comments about the UK men’s movement into a New Zealand thread.

The commenter said:

I want men who are accused rapists to be forced to take the stand and be asked questions to ascertain their characters just as the rape survivor is forced to.

Men do have to take the stand. Their whole past is involved. Unlike women who don’t even have to be present for a hearing and her past is denied to be shown. Not equal treatment. IMO.

That did not happen in the Louise Nicholas rape case and we all know they were guilty and the jury might have been able to come to a different result if they could have heard the accused speak on the stand.

I don’t know if these police officers are guilty. I wasn’t there 20 years ago. Also … might? You want to change the law to make it harder for every man and boy in this country because it might get a guilty verdict? What happened to justice?

As for your touting of this latest humiliation for the already devastated rape survivor,

The thread I wrote was about men having a fair chance up against false rape accusers. It had nothing to do with rape survivors. The only thing that hurts the rape survivor is a false rape accuser. Not me for writing an article and not men who don’t want to be falsely accused.

the number of rapists that never even make it to court is a thousandfold compared to the individual cases quoted here about stupid, weak, frightened, unempowered women who always put back the process, for decades, for the right to fair treatment for those women who actually are subjected to power attacks in the areas that are most private to them.

Unless someone gave you the position of judge, jury and executioner, you can’t say all these thousandfold men who didn’t go to court are actual rapists. You have absolutely no idea and under NZ law, they are allowed a trial still.

And I can’t beleive you want to let these women off the hook who lie. They may be stupid and they may be weaklings (no morals) but they are 100% not frightened nor unempowered.

When that fairness is achieved for women at the hands of men and at the hands of society (men and women) who judge women as being always the ones to blame for dressing in fashion, hanging out the washing, leaving a window open, stepping outside their home, sleeping in their own bed alone… then I’ll have some sympathy for men.

This is a really sad and bad way to treat half the population. I seriously hope you are getting some support and even medicated if need be. This is discrimination taken to the extreme.

That will probably take as long as it takes for men to take responsibility for their own actions.

Well, no. From my heart you have a serious condition. Perfection in society is not achievable. And making that your mark to accept a whole gender has set you up to never like that gender. But in reality men are already responsible for their own actions. When have you ever seen a woman get a tougher sentence for a crime than a man? Doesn’t happen. Do men even have advocates saying, “Hey they are a victim to the Matriarchy”. Doesn’t happen. What about a victim themselves to the Patriarchy? Doesn’t happen. They don’t get the privileges women do when it comes to taking responsibility.

Pay Inequity infers women are of less value than men. Just another indication that suggests to men in general/beaters and rapists in particular that they have the right to control/destroy women and children’s lives.

This is not correct. Men and women are paid the same wage for the same job. It is against the law to discriminate over gender. In fact, it would be nice to see some proper understanding of the pay gap so that women like yourself don’t get too carried away. (see below quote)

The ruling from the Office for National Statistics is the culmination of a running row between Labour’s deputy leader and Whitehall watchdogs, who called her use of figures on the gender pay gap ‘misleading’.

It will also affect the workings of Miss Harman’s Equality Bill, as until now the minister has insisted that public sector bodies – which will have to say whether their pay scales are unfair to women – should use her way of working out the pay gap.

A report from the ONS called Presenting Gender Pay Statistics said no one measure of the pay gap was adequate or appropriate for Government bodies to use. Instead, it said three different figures should be counted.

One is Miss Harman’s favourite measure. This lumps in all workers, both full-time and part-time, and gives a pay gap of 22.5 per cent.

But this fails to take into account that because more women choose to work part-time than men, the average pay for women is artificially driven down.

In the past the ONS has favoured a figure that counts just full-time employees. This shows men earning 12.8 per cent more than women.

From now on, yesterday’s report said, both figures must be used, together with a third setting out the gap between male and female part-time workers, which is 3.5 per cent in women’s favour.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk

This lie detector crap is just another attack on women to keep them from seeking justice. Shame on this website for pushing for that instead of pushing for men to keep their pants zipped and to wear condoms to lower the abortion rate.

There has to be some way for police to tell if a woman is lying. Police themselves in America tape everything police do on patrol because of women accusing police of raping them to get out of a ticket or being arrested for drugs or warrants. Taxi drivers have cameras in their cars also because of the large amount of false accusations because women don’t want to pay the fare.

How you can shut your ears and eyes to what is real? Women aren’t afraid to use this as a tool and it is only going to get worse until women are held accountable for their actions.

And how can you blame men for women having abortions? What happened to my body, my choice? Are women too much like children that they can’t be trusted to have sex? Don’t you think a lot of women will be upset if you say they don’t have the power to make sensible choices and decisions?

Why is it that despite the fact that two people are involved in sex it is always the woman who takes the blame and the man who won’t accept the responsibility.

Are you saying all sex between men and women is bad for women? Women don’t take blame and men don’t take blame. Most sex between men and women is beautiful.

Any amount of generality in my comments are certainly matched and exceeded by the comments against women on your site.

You have to expect that. It is the opposite when you go on feminist sites. lol

Also, re sexual abuse by women on children always has a starting base in history by a man sexually abusing a woman.

That theory is not correct. It has been throwing some feminists into a spin because the theory isn’t matching reality. Women rape for the same reasons men rape and yes, one of those reasons is because both the women and men were victims themselves to another rapist who could have been a victim themselves to another and so on.

Also power. Both sexes are known to rape for power.

Children are a funny one. Most children are curious and often they don’t know it is wrong to touch certain areas of each other’s bodies.

The responsibility is still on men to take charge of their own natures and stop trying to invent new ways to destroy women and children and then blaming them for it.

I think a much better statement should be, “Men AND women need to take responsibility for their actions”. It is called growing up and acting morally.